Why does Modric get higher ratings via SC polls compared to the media/pundits?

[Raxscallion]

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I'm reliably informed that BC was holding the camera.

 

[steve]

They're both good players but VDV is a better all round package I think without doubt. He's a winner, he lifts the rest of the team, he makes things happen even when he's not playing great and he's a big game player - his whole demeanour is positive.

Modric's a cracking player and Gibbsy is over playing his negative aspects but they do exist. He can drift out of games, he IS generally far more dominant at home (a bit like Hudd) and unlike VDV he doesn't possess the personality to bring the team with him. He's still quality but if I had to choose one to play against anyone I'd choose VDV. Does that mean Modric's shite, or even only good? No he's excellent....

 

[tony_parkes]

Exactly like Carrick, you will not appreciate fully the quality of Modric until he no longer wears the Spurs shirt.

Quality player, VDV is a bit better though.

 

[gibbs131]

As for the thread question itself gibbsy, it might be that ppl here are biased towards Modric but there must be a reason for that, they have seen him play alot and see what hes capable of. Everyones opinion on what a player contributes to a team differs.

We have seen flashes. He's yet to play a solid whole season for us.

Modric had one of his weakest games for us vs Arsenal and was probably the weakest player for us. And mostly the SC-Users gave him the weakest ratings in the Rating-Thread so where is your problem? And now dont quote the users who gave him good quotes, like you are anti-modric there are users on here who are pro-modric, so dont try to make it look like its all of SC against your opinion.

I think this thread has a lot do do with that.

As for the comparison with VDV, like Boris said in his quote above, they are 2 totally different players. We had the same discussion in the Transfer Forum when we were linked with Arda and I my opinion with Modric and VDV remains the same:

I think Modders is much closer to being a VDV than he is a Xavi. Modric does not have a well rounded game. We have actually played him int he VDV role often, esp in his first season. He was a victim of shape/form/personel at the time.

Modric and VDV are for me completly different players. They have totally different duties to fulfill on the pitch. Modric is like many said what Xavi is for Barcelona, the schemer of our team, as harry said dozen of times a player to build a team AROUND him. he controls the pace of the game and distributes the ball. If on the way he scores some goals im totally happy with it. Again dont accuse me of saying Modric is as good as Xavi, you know i dont mean that, but he is supposed to play the same role as Xavi does for Barca.

Every single player, is a completely different player.

VDV is more the individualist, hes the one trying to get past defences by himself more ofen, much like Iniesta. I expect him to be much further up the pitch than modric and i expect him to score more goals, as that is one of his main duties IMO.

Modric is suffering given his role. I remember some managers telling Ginola to track back, and he had some rotten form. Modric is being told to do things outside his skill set.

Now gibbsy i dont say youre not right about maybe playing Modric in a more forward position, and in that case maybe VDV playing in the CM position. I just think Harry and our coaching team sees more of them to decide which one is better employed where. If they decide to change their roles, VDV to CM and Modric to ACM/Second Striker, then their duties change, i would expect more goals from Modric in that case, otherwise he would be useles in that position.

He can only do that if we play the Croatia way.

 

[Vedi]

I think Modders is much closer to being a VDV than he is a Xavi. Modric does not have a well rounded game. We have actually played him int he VDV role often, esp in his first season. He was a victim of shape/form/personel at the time.

Modric is suffering given his role. I remember some managers telling Ginola to track back, and he had some rotten form. Modric is being told to do things outside his skill set.

He can only do that if we play the Croatia way.

Agree mostly with this. He might be more a VDV than a Xavi, but right now he is played as a Xavi by Redknapp. So its not fair and accurate from you and others to judge him on what he should be doing in a VDV role.

 

[gibbs131]

Exactly like Carrick, you will not appreciate fully the quality of Modric until he no longer wears the Spurs shirt.

Quality player, VDV is a bit better though.

Carrick cost 2.75 million, and had regular media/fan plaudits during his Spurs days.

Including a thread from ole Gibbsy saying selling him at any cost is a huge mistake.

His impact was massive/obvious at the time.

 

[double0]

If people can't see the quality in Luka Modric than they need spec saver glasses. Close this thread.

 

[gibbs131]

If people can't see the quality in Luka Modric than they need spec saver glasses. Close this thread.

The question is, why does he not get awards, if he is so obviously our best player every other game? Which is what SC votes suggest.

If he fades during a game, why does he have excuses made, while people are quick to bash JJ if he does the same?

Even in bad games he gets some stellar ratings. Dangerous_Clive, dvdhopeful, EastMeonYid, mike_l, MrWoolley all voted Modders MOTM against Arsenal.

 

[Vedi]

The question is, why does he not get awards, if he is so obviously our best player every other game? Which is what SC votes suggest.

Every other game huh? So lets check that:

Blackburn - Bale
Sunderland - Modric
Bolton - Hutton
Inter - Bale
Manu - Modric
Everton - Modric
Inter - Bale
Fulham- BAE/Hudd
Villa - VDV
Twente - Bale
West Ham - VDV
Wolves - Hutton
Bremen - Kaboul
WBA - VDV
Young Boys - Hudd

Lets look at the 3 games he was voted MOTM by SC:

Everton
http://www.skysports.com/football/match_facts/0,19762,11065_3283206,00.html

He got joint highest Rating by the sky pundits with Hutton, Kaboul and Baines. The Users on Sky voted him best player with a Rating of 7.3.

ManU
http://www.skysports.com/football/match_facts/0,19762,11065_3283269,00.html

Big surprise, the winning team got the best ratings. SC feels of all our players Modric was the least shit, big deal.

Sunderland
http://www.skysports.com/football/match_facts/0,19762,11065_3283397,00.html

Sky pundits voted VDV MotM. Modric was voted by the Sky users as second best Tottenham player. So yeah you can argue here why SC thinks Modric wasnt second best. Which means thats one case this whole season where your Thread question really comes into play.

Even in bad games he gets some stellar ratings. Dangerous_Clive, dvdhopeful, EastMeonYid, mike_l, MrWoolley all voted Modders MOTM against Arsenal.

Thats 1.44% of SC! You want to argue why 1.44% of SC have a different opinion regarding how to rate a player? Thats probably less than how many ppl would always vote against Modric, even if he scored a hattrick.

Edit:
Just to add more to my opinion thats its just your bias against modric, rather than the opposite:

Average Ratings till the CL Twente game: (With thanks to cwy21's Thread)

7.3 VDV
7.2 Bale
7.1 King
7.1 Kaboul
6.9 Hutton
6.9 Jenas
6.6 Hudd
6.5 Sandro
6.4 Crouch
6.4 Modric

On Average Modric is rated same as Crouch, hardly a positive bias towards Modric is it?

 

[gibbs131]

Every other game huh? So lets check that:

Blackburn - Bale
Sunderland - Modric
Bolton - Hutton
Inter - Bale
Manu - Modric
Everton - Modric
Inter - Bale
Fulham- BAE/Hudd
Villa - VDV
Twente - Bale
West Ham - VDV
Wolves - Hutton
Bremen - Kaboul
WBA - VDV
Young Boys - Hudd

Lets look at the 3 games he was voted MOTM by SC:

Everton
http://www.skysports.com/football/match_facts/0,19762,11065_3283206,00.html

He got joint highest Rating by the sky pundits with Hutton, Kaboul and Baines. The Users on Sky voted him best player with a Rating of 7.3.

ManU
http://www.skysports.com/football/match_facts/0,19762,11065_3283269,00.html

Big surprise, the winning team got the best ratings. SC feels of all our players Modric was the least shit, big deal.

Sunderland
http://www.skysports.com/football/match_facts/0,19762,11065_3283397,00.html

Sky pundits voted VDV MotM. Modric was voted by the Sky users as second best Tottenham player. So yeah you can argue here why SC thinks Modric wasnt second best. Which means thats one case this whole season where your Thread question really comes into play.




Thats 1.44% of SC! You want to argue why 1.44% of SC have a different opinion regarding how to rate a player? Thats probably less than how many ppl would always vote against Modric, even if he scored a hattrick.

Edit:
Just to add more to my opinion thats its just your bias against modric, rather than the opposite:

Average Ratings till the CL Twente game: (With thanks to cwy21's Thread)

7.3 VDV
7.2 Bale
7.1 King
7.1 Kaboul
6.9 Hutton
6.9 Jenas
6.6 Hudd
6.5 Sandro
6.4 Crouch
6.4 Modric

On Average Modric is rated same as Crouch, hardly a positive bias towards Modric is it?

Thank you. He hasn't had a single motm from paid pundits/official means this season.

And yes for some reason people gave Modders MOTM against Arsenal. Eek

Every other match is a figure of speech. Obviously.:roll:

To put your findings in perspective, only Bale has more MOTM awards than Modric. And that is by one award. I heard a pundit say in his opinion Bale is the best player on the planet on form. Modders is sniffing at his heels according to you lot.

 

[Viva la Tottenham]

Thank you. He hasn't had a single motm from paid pundits/official means this season.

And yes for some reason people gave Modders MOTM against Arsenal. Eek

Every other match is a figure of speech. Obviously.:roll:

To put your findings in perspective, only Bale has more MOTM awards than Modric. And that is by one award. I heard a pundit say in his opinion Bale is the best player on the planet on form. Modders is sniffing at his heels according to you lot.

well that just illustrates how full of shit these pundits you speak of are. I mean did you see the Barca or Madrid games this weekend

Messi hat-trick. 17apps 22goals 9assists so far this season Eek

Ronaldo hat-trick. 18apps 16goals 6assists so far this season

not to mention the wonder goal Messi just scored against Brazil either or Ronaldo against Spain

I love Bale to death but he aint on their level yet and this bollox you're talking about pundits is just that bollox. I mean it's not like they're ever baised or have an agenda. Modric is one of our best players and Vedi86 basically just showed you that your arguement is aload of old shite based on fuck all but delusional ramblings.

 

[Vedi]

Thank you. He hasn't had a single motm from paid pundits/official means this season.

What makes those Ratings more worth than the Rating given by the thousands of users? We watch every game as well, just as the paid ppl who give the ratings on the side. Just because theyre paid to watch the games doesnt mean their rating has more value than that of the users, we love the game as much as them and just because we didnt have the opportunity to turn our passion into our job doesnt mean we have less knowledge.

Just to show you how even paid pundits have sometimes no clue about football ill post later some Ratings from Goal.com, where Gallas was rated as a flop against Arsenal. I thought he was immense but those Ratings from their paid pundits really opened my eyes :roll:

Just to check, what MOTM Ratings do you refer to? Can you send me a link? Because i havent seen MOTM on Sky, just Ratings. And Modric did have the top rating on some games.

And yes for some reason people gave Modders MOTM against Arsenal. Eek

Again, you really want to argue why 1.44% have a different opinion on how to rate players?

Why did 1.73% vote Jenas when he didnt make a single assist or goal in that game?
In every darn game there are 1-2% on other players instead of the obvious MOTM! Even when players make hattricks there are always users who will vote another player MOTM for themselves, everytime some players get 1-2% of the votes, you really want to argue about everyone of them? NO you dont want to, you just want to argue about modric because of your anti-bias towards him.

Every other match is a figure of speech. Obviously.:roll:

Oh I see, thanks for the info. I'll keep that in mind for the next time when someone says "Modric is our Xavi" and you attack him with smth like "Modric as good as Xavi?" altough you exactly know what he meant. Or the next time when someone tries to show that stats are useless sometimes and brings up Iniestas stats last season and you again attack him with smth like "Now Modric is as good as Iniesta?"

 

[brendanb50]

To be honest Gibbon, i think Vedi86 has blown you out of the water on this one, he even presented it in bitesized chunk, stat format for you.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

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[brendanb50]

:roll::stupid::shake:

I hope you're not calling me stupid for thinking Vedi's wonderfully compiled information could herald the end of this bumbling thread of Ole Gibbsy's?























Jesus Christ!!! I am stupid!!!!!!!!!! Eek

 

[Dougal]

So it was all nonsense?

Honestly, I haven't been this upset and let down since Pam found Bobby in the shower.

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