Why the Spurs hate?

[tototoner]

jealous of our success and great fortune

 

[ShelfSide18]

It has nothing to do with not handling banter. I can handle myself fella, probably more than most.

Not aimed at you in particular Shanks.

I just don't really get some of this, we were in a great position and did what every set of fans on the planet does. I loved it, that's me, but underneath it all I am more than level headed about where we are as a club. I don't find it embarrassing, I just look forward to when we get our day in the sun that it will be amazing because of how shit we all feel right now.

 

[Jay The Yid]

Fella, I'm proud of the history too, but not to the extent that I will brag about it, because it all happened before I was born (I'm 34) - so apart from the odd cup, it was all before my time.

In all seriousness, in 34 years this is what Spurs have won...

FA CUP x 3... 81, 82 & 91
League Cup x 2 - 99 & 08

yeah we have some bragging rights, over the likes of West Bromich, but not with the level of teams we are bragging to.

We are not a massive club though, in terms of history and richness, Leeds, Nottingham Forest, Villa are all probably just as rich historically.

Rubbish. We are much bigger than those clubs. Because of our style of play, the players we have had over the years, the size of our fan base, and maybe our name. I would also say that we have won more than those clubs in the last 30 years.

Oh and you forgot the UEFA cup 84. When it was considered harder to win than the European Cup.

I know you are probably pissed off as I am but I honestly think you are talking down our club a bit too much.

We have always been and still are a very special club.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Liverpool and United fans do tend to like us to some degree - I think it's because we haven't really been challenging for the same honours as them for years and years, so they've never really viewed us as "rivals".

 

[hodsgod]

Ha, yeah. I distinctly remember being at the Lane when we played them early that season and they'd started terribly. The chant started "Champions League, you're having a laugh", progressed to "UEFA Cup, you're having a laugh", and ended with "Premier League, you're having a laugh". Made me chuckle.

I was there too, 2-0 both in the second half if my memory serves me. It also really proves my earlier point, it's not hate, it's just normal fan behaviour.

 

[bomberH]

Thinking about it, we're the exact opposite of Stoke in opposing fans' eyes. Even our fiercest rivals accept we play beautiful football sometimes but just think our fans are idiots. Whereas people hate Stoke for their style of play, horrid dirty players and manager, yet love their fans cos they're noisy innit.

(forgetting the booing of Ramsey).

 

[worcestersauce]

There is an element of jealousy in the bad feeling which may seem strange because as far as we can see we've done nothing for anyone to be jealous of. The fact is though that we have nothing going for us, we don't have the megalomaniac sugar daddy daddy, we don't have a great big stadium making lots of revenue and our recent history ain't exactly glorious so how is it then that we have over the years had some many of the great players and how can we consistently challenge for CL when their clubs either can't or get into financial trouble trying to.
It's not really the successful clubs that have these feelings towards us it's the ones who think they should match us because they think they are as b ig a club as us.
Chelsea fans hate us of course because they always lived in our shadow and believe they are the hardest fans yet they have never really got the better of our fans, this actually means nothing to me or most Spurs fans but it matters very much to the blue scum, they also know that had we taken the russian's thirty pieces of silver we'd have won more than them and had the CL wrapped up well before now.
All that said I actually believe that most neutral fans around the country, the silent majority, don't dislike us at all.

 

[Wellspurs]

Some of it probably has something to do with Levy. He will nick players as cheap as he can and sell at the highest price possible. Just ask spammers, portsmouth, Leeds etc...and long may it continue.

 

[AngerManagement]

I get sick of these self loathing comments. You talk about 'Spurs' fans as if 1. we are all the same and 2. you're the exception.
Most Spurs fans I know and I know a lot are not delusional in fact we are probably the most pessimistic bunch out of any of the top 10 clubs. We are not all mad and think we should win the f.......g double every year. FFs most of us would have been delighted with 4th and qualification. We are also an incredibly loyal set of fans as we put up with a lot of near misses and seasons where we flatter to deceive. We also have to put up with being mocked more than any other set of fans without any real success in more than 20 years. So stop talking like we deserve to be ridiculed. We have suffered enough this season without our own fans saying they can understand why we're hated so much.

Firstly you are making an assumption based on what I wrote, I never said all or even most Spurs fans are the way I expressed did I?
Actually if you read what I wrote I said "the spurs fans who" and "spurs fans who go on" both comments are clearly stating only certain fans do this and obviously by no way am I suggesting it is the norm.

I'm not self loathing in anyway, some Spurs fans annoy me the same way many other clubs have annoying fans which make rival teams hate them.

I know full well the type of Spurs fan I expressed is a minority, but a more vocal and more noticeable minority which is what rival fans set their opinions by (the same way most Chelsea fans are not ignorant chavy louts yet judgements are made of the club based on the more vocal minority of their support that make gas chamber noises and chant racial abuse at Anton Ferdinand in support of Terry or disrupt min silences at Wembley)

The question was why is there a hatred of our club from other fans, I was expressing my opinions as to why....because of the perception created by the MINORITY of fans who are more vocal fans who do things like MIND THE GAP and I'm well aware the majority of Spurs fans do not carry on in that fashion or even approve of the same actio ns (spurs commuity reflects this for a start)

But it is the extreme in support that sets the standard for rival fan opinion, just like I hate Chelsea because of their vocal and repulsive minority of fans even though 80% of the Chelsea fans I know from West London and Surrey are middle class and well to do and do not in any way shape or form reflect the club in the same way those who make me hate chelsea do.

So I can understand why other fans would hate us based on the actions of SOME of our fans, the same way I hate Chelsea due to the actions of SOME of theirs

No I am sorry you misunderstood what I was saying, perhaps I should have clarified what I meant by saying SOME fans or the MINORITY of our fans who make the most noise etc but to be honest it never crossed my mind that someone would make the assumptions you have and I thought common sense would lead every reader to understand that I was referring to the vocal extreme minority of Spurs fans and not the average fan or trying to present myself as an exception to the rule of fans which inspire resentment toward our club.

 

[oohaahedgar]

Firstly you are making an assumption based on what I wrote, I never said all or even most Spurs fans are the way I expressed did I?

I'm not self loathing in anyway, some Spurs fans annoy me the same way many other clubs have annoying fans which make rival teams hate them.

I know full well the type of Spurs fan I expressed is a minority, but a more vocal and more noticeable minority which is what rival fans set their opinions by (the same way most Chelsea fans are not ignorant chavy louts yet judgements are made of the club based on the more vocal minority of their support that make gas chamber noises and chant racial abuse at Anton Ferdinand in support of Terry or disrupt min silences at Wembley)

The question was why is there a hatred of our club from other fans, I was expressing my opinions as to why....because of the perception created by the MINORITY of fans who are more vocal fans who do things like MIND THE GAP and I'm well aware the majority of Spurs fans do not carry on in that fashion or even approve of the same actio ns (spurs commuity reflects this for a start)

But it is the extreme in support that sets the standard for rival fan opinion, just like I hate Chelsea because of their vocal and repulsive minority of fans even though 80% of the Chelsea fans I know from West London and Surrey are middle class and well to do and do not in any way shape or form reflect the club in the same way those who make me hate chelsea do.

No I am sorry you misunderstood what I was saying, perhaps I should have clarified what I meant by saying SOME fans or the MINOIRTY of our fans who make the most noise etc but to be honest it never crossed my mind that someone would make the assumptions you have and I thought common sense would lead every reader to understand that I was referring to the vocal extreme minority of Spurs fans and not the average fan or trying to present myself as an exception to the rule of fans which inspire resentment toward our club.

Fair enough but you are wrong about Chelsea fans. The posh one's from surrey are just as bad as they didn't exist 15 years ago.

 

[saintlyspur]

living in wrexham im surounded by liverpool, everton and yanited fans so I never get to see this loathing.nearly all the people I speak to like spurs and hate the arse and the chavs probably because as said earlier in the thread they have posed them a greater threat over recent history.

 

[AngerManagement]

Fair enough but you are wrong about Chelsea fans. The posh one's from surrey are just as bad as they didn't exist 15 years ago.

Oh they existed......they were just man u fans at the time

 

[DuDe]

Thinking about it, we're the exact opposite of Stoke in opposing fans' eyes. Even our fiercest rivals accept we play beautiful football sometimes but just think our fans are idiots. Whereas people hate Stoke for their style of play, horrid dirty players and manager, yet love their fans cos they're noisy innit.

(forgetting the booing of Ramsey).

Big respect for this ...

 

[DuDe]

Oh they existed......they were just man u fans at the time

Come the start of next season they'll be Man City ...

 

[Wiener]

The usual rivalries aside, we are no more disliked than any other big team. Chelsea, with good reason, are probably the most disliked team in England. I certainly hate them. They deserve it.

As for being ridiculed and mocked, we (and the footballing gods) are the architects of our own misfortune. Lasagnagate and going from 3rd with a 10 point lead challenging for the title to UEFA Cup qualification are both pretty laughable. We also have 'Arry and no-one likes him.

 

[double0]

We continually shoot ourselves in the foot other fans laugh at our down fall...pinky and the brain!

 

[Bingy]

#1 - A lot of us think that too...
#2 - They never thought they'd have any players capable of scoring a goal like that.

THFC have been getting 'stick' for the last 50 years (and more?) so it is not anything new (Alf Garnett did not just dispise 'gentlemen of a darker skin colour'...he dispised evgerybody who was not a through and through Spammer (or anything connected with racism and biggotry.....so being jewish was a simple piece of 'wog bashing' which was accepted in every section of society.....Not a lot has changed, today...apart from the WW2 generation dying off! Good ridence to bad rubbish?
2012 is still faced by the same social and economic challenges, as was 1960....except the 'driver' is different...and he owns the new media? OK....finished with my 'sould clearing' for this week! Praying must start now....in an effort to 'influence' Uefa and the other people who want to destroy football! COYS!

 

[worcestersauce]

You do know Alf Garnett was a fictional character don't you? played by our very own Spurs fan Warren Mitchell.
I'm still not convinced we are hated as much as internet wum's would lead us to believe and we still have a bigger fan base than all but the biggest clubs so there's still a whole lotta Spurs love out there guys.

 

[spursphil]

By and large the modern football fan seems full of hate, the sky generation can't wait to get on the internet to take the piss and gloat. Debate is beyond most of them.
Or maybe its because the Spurs firm kicked a few arses in the good old days!

 

[guiltyparty]

Rubbish. We are much bigger than those clubs. Because of our style of play, the players we have had over the years, the size of our fan base, and maybe our name. I would also say that we have won more than those clubs in the last 30 years.

How do you define 'big'? It's the age old question

Forest won two consecutive European Cups in my lifetime (I'm 32), which is more than we have. Even Villa have won the European Cup in my lifetime. Newcastle have a bigger stadium, pay bigger wages and have been in the Champions League more often in my lifetime, too. What's the measurement?

If it's all on history, Everton have a bigger capacity stadium, have won the league 7 times more than Spurs (twice in my lifetime, which Spurs never have), have been to 4 more FA Cup finals than us. We're just better run at board level than Everton, which makes what Moyes has achieved there even more astounding.

The 'style of play' thing is overstated too. We've had some diabolically crap teams in amongst the gold. Everton have also had some cracking flair players over the years, we just don't count them as they're not ours. Dean, Ball, Nevin, Lawton, Kanchelskis, Hughes, Ratcliffe, Beardsley, Steven, Sheedy, Arteta, Pienaar,, Speed, Cottee, Rooney, Lineker (that one was), even Gascoigne played there

I'm using Everton as an example as I have quite a few Everton-supporting friends. They've very similar to Spurs' fans in their general melancholy and expectations of everything to go wrong. They also don't really like our fans because, as AM says, we've been moaning constantly when we have stuff so good - they'd love to get the breaks we have in terms of finance and organisation, but have had to very much accept their position.

Personally, I've always thought of it like this:

Man Utd & Liverpool - the two biggest British teams internationally in my lifetime and generally historically
Chelsea & Man City - the two nothing teams with no history that have bought success in the modern game, were literally there to make up the numbers for the formative years of my life
Arsenal - fill a little role of their own, annoyingly, in that they've managed sustained second-tier success without the fortunes of the teams above
Spurs, Everton, Aston Villa, Newcastle - the sleeping giants who have the potential to be big with investment
Forest, Leeds - the fallen giants

The fact that in recent years we've 'awoken', so to speak, is why most of the other teams around us and below dislike us, as they think it should be them

What it generally tells you is that most teams have had their time at the top, but that those that were up there when Sky came in have been hard to dislodge because of the massive financial benefit that came with it