Wilson's Ban?

[DC_Boy]

well if it's not confusing- why are so many people confused?

of course it's confusing - if you're not confused you're not reading it properly and i suggest people who come out with 'try reading some tax legislation and acting all superior' should retune their attitude

I've read plenty of complex stuff in my time and i'll back my comprehension skills against anyone on here

see how (iii) leads to (iv) - and tell me that's not confusing

unfortunately I can't put chrissi on ignore for having such a superior and incorrect attitude, but star of davids - ignored

 

[DC_Boy]

After the deadline of the 31st, everything is restarted. So at 10 yellows he will get a one game ban.

incidentally - to all you 'superior folk' out there - here's nicdic's take on events

 

[chrissivad]

incidentally - to all you 'superior folk' out there - here's nicdic's take on events

noone is saying they are superior at all. I just dont find it confusing, but im sure i find other things confusing that others will find easy to understand.

nic is wrong on this, the info i posted is from the FA website

(iii) A Player who has already been subject to disciplinary action as a result of receiving
five cautions and then proceeds to receive a further five cautions during the same
Season, will be subject to the following punishments: -
(iv) If a Player accumulates ten cautions in FTCM between the opening day of the
Playing Season and the second Sunday of April in the same Season, he will
be suspended automatically for a period covering:-
Two First Team matches
(v) If a Player accumulates ten cautions in FTCM between the opening day of the
Playing Season and the last day of the same Season, he will be: -
“Severely Censured and Warned as to his future Conduct”

 

[StanSpur]

To be honest he will get booked against Fulham and therefore miss the next two games. Chances of him avoiding a booking for 3 games just to miss the Pompy game are unlikely.

A good point raised was the cards from cup games being included as it does dissadvantage team that progress in all compititions. I personally think that all cups should have independent suspension rules which will help to stop bigger teams picking up their 5th 10th or 15th booking just before a league cup tie against a 4th tier team. More importantly it means that if a player is sent off in the semi final of the FA cup then they miss the final and not a home tie against pompey where their team probably can cope without them. I've gone off on one now but basically keep the cards related to the competition they are in and it will be much fairer.

 

[DC_Boy]

fair enough but can't you see chrissi that iii implies that it's talking about a player who has been subject to disciplinary action - WILSON HASN'T

WE THEN GET A :-

which implies to me iv follows from iii

but iii doesn't apply to Wilson because he hasn't been subject to disciplinary action

 

[chrissivad]

he has been subject to disciplinary action. He hasn't been suspended, but he has been warned

(ii) If a Player accumulates five cautions in FTCM between the opening day of the
Playing Season and the last day of the same Season, he will be: -
“Warned as to his Future Conduct”

 

[DC_Boy]

he has been subject to disciplinary action. He hasn't been suspended, but he has been warned

Exactly my point Chrissi - so you agree that he hasn't been subject to disciplinary action, but can't you see that it is at least plausible to interpret iv as following on from iii - which talks about players who have received discplinary action

i repeat - I don't think the wording is clear at all - hence the confusion

EDIT - skip this - i need to rewrite

 

[chrissivad]

Exactly my point Chrissi - so you agree that he hasn't been subject to disciplinary action, but can't you see that it as leat plausible to interpret iv as following on from iii - which tlks about players who have received discplinary action

i repeat - I don't think the wording is clear at all - hence the confusion

no, he has been subject to a disciplinary action.

A warning about his future conduct is a disciplinary action.

 

[DC_Boy]

whoops didn't get my edit in in time

will come back

cheers for that chrissi - finally it is now clear to me

disciplinary action refers to a letter as well as a suspension

if people think that is clear, then i disagree

it's taken a four page thread for someone to elucidate exactly why it's a two game ban for wilson

i repeat - the wording is confusing, but rep to you chrissi for clearing it up

 

[bigturnip]

That was the same confusion I had when I quoted the rules a couple of pages back, if the warning counts as disciplinary action then it's a two game ban and if it doesn't then it's no ban. The first time I read the rules I came to the conclusion of no ban and after rereading it I thought 2 games, so I vote they are confusing, but as long as the FA and the clubs agree on what they mean then it doesn't really matter.

Some people were adding to the confusion by saying it was a 1 game ban, but I'm not sure where that point of view came from, certainly not the rules.

 

[StartingPrice]

noone is saying they are superior at all. I just dont find it confusing, but im sure i find other things confusing that others will find easy to understand.

nic is wrong on this, the info i posted is from the FA website

I am...the only problem is I've now had to roam the earth in search of someone who is inferior:grin:

Complicated...come-on, this is the organisation who make the simple off-side rule so comlpex that the refs don't understand it, FFSmg:

 

[bigturnip]

Complicated...come-on, this is the organisation who make the simple off-side rule so comlpex that the refs don't understand it, FFSmg:

:stupid:

Actually discipline is handled by The FA and the offside rules by FIFA, who's inferior now? :wink:

 

[StartingPrice]

:stupid:

Actually discipline is handled by The FA and the offside rules by FIFA, who's inferior now? :wink:

Sometimes my hatred of the FA unbalances me and leaves me open to ridicule:silenced:

 

[Wellspurs]

I thought the FA was run by Lord Triesman of Tottenham why cant he make a special case for our Wilson.. just like that Gooner used to when he had influence, Ive forgotten his name?

 

[JimmyG2]

Fascinating stuff fellas.
I thought I'd got it sorted then unfortunately I happened upon this thread and read the actual rules. Serves me right.

Why not just scrap all the deadlines and thresholds and keep it simple, like me?
5 yellows at any time in the season. I game suspension.
!0 yellows, 2 game suspension and so on.
or if they think that this is too harsh make it 6 yellows, then 12 yellows.

 

[JollyHappy]

and what happens if Wilson gets sent off for 2 yellow cards ?

 

[DC_Boy]

cheers BT

for sure if we had the FA on here explaining it to us - we could probably all grasp it first time - but we don't - all we have is the phrasing which is not easy to follow - a confusion as you say futher added to by the idea that it was a one game becuase wilson hadn't suffered a previous ban

also - letters of warning are often not seen as disciplinary action (tho i agree for this as chrissi has explained they are)

time and again I've heard commentars putting on an ho-ho-ho voice when pointing out x player had run up ten cautions or whatever and would be reciving a warning letter (with the obvious undercurrent 'yeah cos that's gonna bother them')

and indeed in the world of law we live in, if you're naughty and have a run in with the police say, but all you get is a lettter warning you of your future conduct or some such, you tend to think, result

PS - I apologise to Chrissi and Star of Davids for losing my temper with them - but I was getting very very irritated by this thread - and the way people kept saying it was clear - both for one game and two games - without explaining it to me why it was clear

actually looking back - I see you had already identified the issue BT - so rep to you too if I can give it - unfortunately the ole cyber red mist had already descended and it was only after chrissi had explained the matter that i went back over the whole thread

 

[chrissivad]

and what happens if Wilson gets sent off for 2 yellow cards ?

Cant work out if your really asking this or not...

 

[JimmyG2]

Don't avoid the question chrissivad.
I make that a three game suspension.
Be gentle with me.

 

[Stoof]

noone is saying they are superior at all. I just dont find it confusing, but im sure i find other things confusing that others will find easy to understand.

nic is wrong on this, the info i posted is from the FA website

I'm saying I'm superior. :grin:

It only became confusing when people who were wrong got all 'posty'. If you stop people being wrong then you eliminate the confusion.

I vote Eugenics. That or sending an electric shock through anyone who pressed the "Open" button on the tube. That would kill a few thousand off.