so because we got more money tna we expected and a loan player on top of that we have come off worse this is the effect the last minute transfer has had. we al expected him to go we actually had post on this ste saying just get rid of him for 20 mil but because we were so close to keeping him and hope had bin raised now everyone is negative even though levy got us a great deal
Levy handed a lesson in how it is should be done.
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It would be great of course if we have a 'right to buy' clause for Campbell - but I very much doubt we have that
what we have is a keen young player - that surely will do everything possible to convince UTd he's worthy of a place at Old Trafford or indeed perhaps White Hart Lane
from You Tube clips he's fast with a tremendous shot - he should work very well with Pav especially - and like Pav and Bent has the physical presence to play as lone striker
so gives us great options
on sunday we put out a team that got a draw at CFC - we've now added Corluka Pav & Cambell to that squad
why can't that squad/team do even better?
what we have is a keen young player - that surely will do everything possible to convince UTd he's worthy of a place at Old Trafford or indeed perhaps White Hart Lane
from You Tube clips he's fast with a tremendous shot - he should work very well with Pav especially - and like Pav and Bent has the physical presence to play as lone striker
so gives us great options
on sunday we put out a team that got a draw at CFC - we've now added Corluka Pav & Cambell to that squad
why can't that squad/team do even better?
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I think we have a decent squad to go forward now. Far better than we had before? What is Levy supposed to learn? Again he sold a player for far more than he is worth. £30.5m plus Campbell on loan is a good deal and if any other club had offered us that and Berba had wanted to move there we would have still sold him. Nothing to do with being a feeder club, just a very good deal.
OK, so now we have a weaker strike force than last season that is for sure, but Bent and Pavlyuchenko can both be great finishers (also very harsh to say neither has a brain). Campbell is young and will be hungry to prove himself. The biggest problem is for UEFA cup, but we still have Bent and Campbell as well as lots of attacking options coming from midfield. We should be fine until January and our side is still so much better than when we had Keane and Berba in my opinion.
Oh and if we are really struggling we can sign Fat Ronaldo on a free outside of the window.
OK, so now we have a weaker strike force than last season that is for sure, but Bent and Pavlyuchenko can both be great finishers (also very harsh to say neither has a brain). Campbell is young and will be hungry to prove himself. The biggest problem is for UEFA cup, but we still have Bent and Campbell as well as lots of attacking options coming from midfield. We should be fine until January and our side is still so much better than when we had Keane and Berba in my opinion.
Oh and if we are really struggling we can sign Fat Ronaldo on a free outside of the window.
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That would make things a lot better to be honest. Campbell looks like a real talent, but I want us to be developing our players and not doing United a favour in return for letting them buy our best player. It is clear that we ran out of time and options and this was a deal that we had to settle for.Let the midfield be the brains - like it should be.
This is the key thing that we'll need to clear up, and it will shift my turmoiled perspective depending on it's outcome.
And that's a Power to Buy clause [s'what I'm calling it] in our favour, i.e. if we think he's had a good year and we cough up £[x] he's ours no matter what. Manchester United get no say in it etc.
I'm hoping for a squeaky-bum Chairman Statement on it all.
And yes, the midfield should be a brainy creative outlet for our attack. Looks like we have the players to do that now.
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If he ends up being any good we should just do what they did and negotiate with him before contacting Utd, get it all signed and sealed before making a bid. They wouldn't dare make a complaint.
Hi Damo
- you can't force a player to sign - if Berbs said no - what can we do - yep that's it nothing - they may be 'slaves' but they're powerful slaves
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well said Spurminator
I would say Levy has shown plenty of balls - in the face of all the 'appeasers' saying take £20m for Berbs- he said no - we want £30m - that's it
and he won - we got that plus an excting prospect of a youngster who is worth about £7m on loan for a year
As I say time and again to me the Levy model is not the best way forward - the billionaire benfactor is that
maybe just maybe we might get a groundswell of change and the majority of Spurs fans ditching their opposition to 'buying success' - the way to beat the Chelseas & Citehs of this world is to join them
if not that, if not the Levy 'trading model' - then what?
Im all for a well run club. Im proud to be Tottenham. The bubble will burst for Chelsea and City ......one day and they will be left to pick up the pieces.
At least we can spend 40 million per season of our own money and still be in profit.
We wont finish it the top 5 this season but im a realist. We are slowly moving in the right direction. There will be alot more highs and lows at Spurs you can bet on that.
hi Spurs Old Boy (probably of a similar age to me I guess from the name)
- there's a big difference Berbs wanted OT - I suspect Campbell will tooATM we simply can't compete with the power of OT - all we can do is get get the best deal possible
900triumph
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Every time Defoe scores I wince, cos it feels like he should still be ours. Gawd knows what it'll be like if Keane and Berbatov start banging them in. It seems rediculous that they have ALL left so quickly, and I'm sure our opponents don't worry about how to handle our team of strikers any more. I'm amazed that we haven't signed at least one more striker, given that we all knew Berbatov was either going or sulking. I hope Frazier (the only acceptable name to use!) is only on loan to get through the deadline, as in Defoe's transfer to Pompey. The UEFA Cup could fizzle out before we know it, with Wislaw Krakow already convinced that by drawing us they have a virtual bye, according to the Polish press, via my Polish mate Wojch, SC member.
Here's hoping for a couple of juicy pre contracts for Jan to cheer us up soon - where's the ITK?
Here's hoping for a couple of juicy pre contracts for Jan to cheer us up soon - where's the ITK?
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Except in Europe (at least until January) where Pav is cup tied. If Campbell really turns out to be good then surely we should make the most of having him here. He looks like a great prospect with loads of pace and a decent shot. Always a good combination. If we do end up buying him, wouldn't it be better to have played him with the rest of the team first, if we have the opportunity? If he rips it up and United stick a 15 million tag on him then we would be smart to pay it knowing that we'd already got a good season out of him and he was guaranteed to fit in with the team and the manager.
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THFC have FINALLY become a JOKE. Levi and Co have managed to cement our future in the lower regions of the English game. Where are all the players that we have been 'dreaming about' over he last few weeks? In Levi/Comollis's heads? If I were Pav I would be dodging ALL phone calls with a Russian prefix! Pav must feel like a right PLONKER to be STUCK with a downwardly immobile band of Mothers.....Business sense is all very well but we are FANS and the RUBBISH that we witnessed last evening has knocked us back a full decade. How long will Ramos stay in the present climate? If I were him I would be 'checking out' the CHEAP Deals available. WHY do we bother? Levi has cost us more than he has gained us....in the balance sheet AND in the bragging rights......awwww but we are Yids.....STILL. No shoes, shorts, souls and soles....take your pick, said Levi and Comolli bough us a SHOVEL....That just about sums up where we are and where we are going! SOYS!
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I believe that with the underhand and illegal approach for Berbs. All things considered levy has done very well to get the asking price and a striker on loan. It was pretty clear for all to see Berbs wanted out, to continue to get the asking price at that stage is very well done. Ok so maybe Man city helped by putting pressure on them who knows but still an achievment.
Despite this we will all be dissapointed with losing the partnership that was the envy of the premiership. The "replacements" are not presently at the club and we are still short of another striker. I hope Berbatov affords us the same respect he did for his former clubs, but I somehow doubt that.
Along with Sol he can be booed as the little ungrateful tosser he is.
Despite this we will all be dissapointed with losing the partnership that was the envy of the premiership. The "replacements" are not presently at the club and we are still short of another striker. I hope Berbatov affords us the same respect he did for his former clubs, but I somehow doubt that.
Along with Sol he can be booed as the little ungrateful tosser he is.
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Just a stab in the dark, but my guess is that Campbell would have ben a permanent transfer as part of the deal but we ran out of time and had to make it loan deal. I bet its part of the deal.
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I could put this comment in any of the million and one transfer window threads, but might as well write it here. I think on the whole we had a good window, we've signed some good talent and sold on some of our more mediocre players. Berba and Keane leaving is a huge blow, but both wanted out, so that couldn't really be helped.
My main dissapointment was the way the Berba saga panned out. I know a lot of this is probably down to United's usual school bully tactics, but we were drawn into a last day rush which I feel has resulted in us being pushed into a make-do signing of Campbell. Of all the back up type signings we probably could have made, it's not a bad one - he's young, by all accounts very talented and he shouldn't mind being 3rd choice to begin with. However, we only have him on loan - a double edged sword: Yes, we haven't blown a lot of money on a back up signing, but IF he does get called upon and/or proves to be a real quality talent, United are surely going to take him straight back.
We've got a huge sum of money for Berba in the end and that's a good thing, but his transfer has hung over the club for some time now and I'm sure 1 point from 9 can be partly blamed on this bollocks. I wish we had got rid weeks ago and gotten in a replacement and been more settled. I can't help but think all this hardball to and fro has cost us the obvious first choice of Arshavin and left us in limbo right up until deadline day. Are we better off with £30m in the bank or Arshavin in the squad?
Good business yesterday, not necessarily good football.
Having said all that I'm aware we were obviously dealing with 2 very difficult boards - United were more than willing to take us to the wire and force our hand and Zenit seemingly never stopped moving the goalposts to disrupt our move for Shava. I don't know the full facts, so I won't go spilling vitriol at Comolli or Levy, just want to vent my frustrations and opinions.
My main dissapointment was the way the Berba saga panned out. I know a lot of this is probably down to United's usual school bully tactics, but we were drawn into a last day rush which I feel has resulted in us being pushed into a make-do signing of Campbell. Of all the back up type signings we probably could have made, it's not a bad one - he's young, by all accounts very talented and he shouldn't mind being 3rd choice to begin with. However, we only have him on loan - a double edged sword: Yes, we haven't blown a lot of money on a back up signing, but IF he does get called upon and/or proves to be a real quality talent, United are surely going to take him straight back.
We've got a huge sum of money for Berba in the end and that's a good thing, but his transfer has hung over the club for some time now and I'm sure 1 point from 9 can be partly blamed on this bollocks. I wish we had got rid weeks ago and gotten in a replacement and been more settled. I can't help but think all this hardball to and fro has cost us the obvious first choice of Arshavin and left us in limbo right up until deadline day. Are we better off with £30m in the bank or Arshavin in the squad?
Good business yesterday, not necessarily good football.
Having said all that I'm aware we were obviously dealing with 2 very difficult boards - United were more than willing to take us to the wire and force our hand and Zenit seemingly never stopped moving the goalposts to disrupt our move for Shava. I don't know the full facts, so I won't go spilling vitriol at Comolli or Levy, just want to vent my frustrations and opinions.
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well said Spurminator
I would say Levy has shown plenty of balls - in the face of all the 'appeasers' saying take £20m for Berbs- he said no - we want £30m - that's it
and he won - we got that plus an excting prospect of a youngster who is worth about £7m on loan for a year
As I say time and again to me the Levy model is not the best way forward - the billionaire benfactor is that
maybe just maybe we might get a groundswell of change and the majority of Spurs fans ditching their opposition to 'buying success' - the way to beat the Chelseas & Citehs of this world is to join them
if not that, if not the Levy 'trading model' - then what?
I have read three pages on this thread, and without wishing to appear patronising, I think you have spoken a great deal of good sense.
But if you mean what you appear to, with regard to with the "Business model", I have to take issue with you in terms of practicality. Clearly getting a Billionaire Sugar Daddy would be a good way forward, subject to his or her money not being liable to forfeiture any minute. Manchester City have been inordinately lucky in my view in going down this route without due diligence and then when the proverbial is about to hit the fan, have the criminal they lumbered themselves with, himself come up with one of the richest families in the world to replace that very criminal they had in the first place. It could, and probably should have gone horribly wrong for them. It didn't and they can thank their lucky stars (Though some might say, it didn't, so let's all do it).
But this is not a "Business model" by any stretch of the imagination. It is a hope that the Club can entice some sort of billionaire (no, make that trillionaire) prepared to blow everyone else out of the water. By definition not every Club can do this. If we can win the lottery (or would that be a million lotteries?), great, but if not, we have to try the gradual business-like approach.
It would a very dangerous game for the Club to attempt to buy success if it doesn't have the resources, as has been proven time and time again. Unless we could find someone comparable in wealth terms to the Abu Dhabi Royal Family, we would already be at best in second place anyway, as Chelsea are likely to find out.
But when all is said and done, if you know of any trillionaires that would be interested in taking over Tottenham, so that your "model" can be put into operation, you will have the undying gratitude of both ENIC and every Tottenham supporter.
Know any?
yiddobrett
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We haven't even seen the lad play yet and he's being slated by most fans as 'embarrassing'. Tried to go back to sleep this morning but I couldn't as I had a horrible feeling we'd have Heskey. Danger averted.
I think we need to really get behind the lad.
I think we need to really get behind the lad.
worcestersauce
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Don't understand this thread at all.
Utd wanted to pay £20m we wanted them to pay £30m they paid £30m how did ferguson show Levy how it's done?
Apparently you feck about for a year then let the window go to the wire and then you still pay the fucking asking price, is that what Levy is supposed to do ffs?
Frazier Campbell is a good striker, I don't know how good but he can score goals and as for it being a loan deal that has more to do with timescales as the window closed a la Defoe last year otherwise it will become permanent if we want it and if that's the case we've got him on appro', loan deal my arse.
Don't forget that Utd hadn't even approached us in August and they weren't going to until much later but Levy forced their hand, they know they've been roughed up, they may be smiling but they've lost a few teeth and they took a lot of pain. Next time they try it they will know better.
Utd wanted to pay £20m we wanted them to pay £30m they paid £30m how did ferguson show Levy how it's done?
Apparently you feck about for a year then let the window go to the wire and then you still pay the fucking asking price, is that what Levy is supposed to do ffs?
Frazier Campbell is a good striker, I don't know how good but he can score goals and as for it being a loan deal that has more to do with timescales as the window closed a la Defoe last year otherwise it will become permanent if we want it and if that's the case we've got him on appro', loan deal my arse.
Don't forget that Utd hadn't even approached us in August and they weren't going to until much later but Levy forced their hand, they know they've been roughed up, they may be smiling but they've lost a few teeth and they took a lot of pain. Next time they try it they will know better.
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any fact behind that statement? Or just a flight of fancy?
Please do tell where you get that info from.
