Is it happening?

C0YS · Jun 5, 2011

brett.spurs said:
No, I've always stated that Levy does the deals if they make financial sense. But it's following exactly the same pattern as the other clubs he ruined, putting pressure on the chairman through the media to spend and bring in his fat cat mates. Levy seems to have always resisted but Friedel signing is making me doubt that now and the real killer will be if we buy Joe Cole.

I'd take being an almost ran rather than the next Portsmouth. With the FFP rules coming into play and with no new stadium to gain more revenue we could end up becoming one these clubs that spends it's entire turnover on wages. It needs to be stopped, 35 first team players on the books and Harry wants more - loan 10 out and bring in more, out of sight and out of mind.

All the clubs that Redknapp so called ruined where badly run only his second stint at Portsmouth do you have even a slight case that Redknapp might have had something to do with it. Redknapp like every other manager has no power over the purse. The Friedel signing probably will save us money, you don't know what kind of wages he is on, but we didn't pay a transfer fee, and even if Gomes stays we needed another goalkeeper. Joe Cole will not be signed but even if he was he would come in and Bentley and Kranjcar will leave. Even presuming he got payed the same wage as both the two together you would still be making a profit.

brett.spurs · Jun 5, 2011

THOWIG said:
Brett who would you replace Redknapp with?

I don't know who's realistic but Carlo Ancelotti or AVB. Roberto Martinez looks like a very good prospect too.

Contrary to popular belief, I actually rate Harry as a football manager but his short-termism and apparent small club mentality is what infuriates me. He's not at Portsmouth anymore, he can shop at (close to) the top table but he doesn't seem comfortable with that at all, he told a reporter to fuck off when being called a wheeler and dealer but he's proving that's exactly what he is right now.

I don't like what he says in the media but I can live with most of it, generally I think he's just gone into **** overdrive in the last 3 months, couldn't accept any of the blame for our poor form and seems to have lost his mind slightly.

ealingspur · Jun 5, 2011

All this is based on conjecture. Re: Cole, you've chosen to believe ITK. Really? Think about that statement: you have chosen to believe ITK.

C0YS · Jun 5, 2011

brett.spurs said:
I don't know who's realistic but Carlo Ancelotti or AVB. Roberto Martinez looks like a very good prospect too.

Contrary to popular belief, I actually rate Harry as a football manager but his short-termism and apparent small club mentality is what infuriates me. He's not at Portsmouth anymore, he can shop at (close to) the top table but he doesn't seem comfortable with that at all, he told a reporter to fuck off when being called a wheeler and dealer but he's proving that's exactly what he is right now.

I don't like what he says in the media but I can live with most of it, generally I think he's just gone into **** overdrive in the last 3 months, couldn't accept any of the blame for our poor form and seems to have lost his mind slightly.

For however much I admire Martinez he took a bottom-midtable club into a nailed on relegation scrap club. Of which he did because he wanted Wigan to play good football. It would be interesting to see him given the rains at this club, but he is not even remotely close to being good enough, he even divides wigan fans, all 3 of them (including a man's dog)....

And however much Redknapp has lost his mind it is only pale in-comparison to yourself. In all honestly from what I'm getting from this side of the internet you need a break.

johnny two saints · Jun 5, 2011

I guess its Harry's fate to be harangued for bad buys and disassociated from those that work. If Levy is responsible for the good ones (Luka, VDV) what makes anyone think there is a secondary method of player acquisition; a secret pot of cash that Harry can splash on overpaid, aged players in his pursuit of club obliteration (just like he did elsewhere <yawn>? If Harry does bring in older pros then its with Levy's input and agreement just like for the younger ones (Sandro, the Kyles). Gallas has proven his worthand I'm sure Friedel will too. The only real failures have been Notso and to a lesser extent Chimbonda. What worries me most about the Joe Cole linkage is it possibly being a repetition of the Notso failure and that Luka might be freed up for sale by it. For those reasons I don't like it.

Matt C · Jun 5, 2011

Some of the links with elderly or/and severely injury prone players concern me big time but I will judge Harry on August 31st at midnight and not before.

Friedel signing is worrying but long time to go in the window yet.

JerryGarcia · Jun 5, 2011

We need experienced players, they're the ones who will pick us up more points against the lower teams. This thread is stupid.

Matt C · Jun 5, 2011

JerryGarcia said:
We need experienced players, they're the ones who will pick us up more points against the lower teams. This thread is stupid.

Experienced is fine but you can get experienced 27/28/29 year olds you don't need to fill the side with guys in their mid 30's.

A lot of the players we have been LINKED with (so the info may be wrong) have very bad injury records too.

brett.spurs · Jun 5, 2011

Yeah there's experienced like Gallas, VDV, Drogba - i.e. proven winners who have played for top teams and are international stars. Not Scott Parker who has experience of playing for some of the worst teams in the league.

The reason we dropped points against lower sides isn't because of a lack of "experience" it's simply because our strikers aren't upto it, Phil Neville isn't going to help turn a 0-0 into a win. We performed well against the big sides .. so our players are experienced enough to do that but not beat the bottom sides? Good players make a good team, not "experience", that plays a 5% part at most - which we already have in the squad.

I don't care what you say but Levy drove the deals for Walker/Naughton/Sandro/VDV and Leandro if he signs, Harry had very little to do with any of them.

JerryGarcia · Jun 5, 2011

Matt C said:
Experienced is fine but you can get experienced 27/28/29 year olds you don't need to fill the side with guys in their mid 30's.

A lot of the players we have been LINKED with (so the info may be wrong) have very bad injury records too.

But he hasn't filled the squad with players in their 30's

Look at Arsenal, they've not been able to win anything since they got rid of their older players, we have loads of brilliant players under or around 25 who sometimes lack the required composure to see out games. If Harry brings in a few players over 30 then I think we have a better chance of a trophy next year, there just seems to be a load of panic over nothing.

3Dnata · Jun 5, 2011

It is happening and it seems that those who are in denial are relying on Daniel Levy to stop Harry.
We will have to replace or CB's through erosion soon enough what if we have to repeat that with goal keepers, strikers and whatever position Joe Cole is.
We are better run than Portsmouth and West Ham but Harry's legacy could be harmful to Tottenham.

JerryGarcia · Jun 5, 2011

brett.spurs said:
Yeah there's experienced like Gallas, VDV, Drogba - i.e. proven winners who have played for top teams and are international stars. Not Scott Parker who has experience of playing for some of the worst teams in the league.

The reason we dropped points against lower sides isn't because of a lack of "experience" it's simply because our strikers aren't upto it, Phil Neville isn't going to help turn a 0-0 into a win. We performed well against the big sides .. so our players are experienced enough to do that but not beat the bottom sides? Good players make a good team, not "experience", that plays a 5% part at most - which we already have in the squad.

I don't care what you say but Levy drove the deals for Walker/Naughton/Sandro/VDV and Leandro if he signs, Harry had very little to do with any of them.

I know what you're saying about the strikers but while Neville might not turn a 0-0 into a win, he might well have turned a few 1-1's into 1-0's which would have seen us closer to 4th.

Pringle · Jun 5, 2011

brett - i notice you havent responded to my comment asking for you to put your money where your mouth is? If you are so confident in what you say, lets put some ££ on it with the ££ going to the upkeep of this site!

ps - Parker won the league with Chelsea and played in the champs league as well so he does have experience of the highest level.

dvdhopeful · Jun 5, 2011

brett.spurs said:
Yeah there's experienced like Gallas, VDV, Drogba - i.e. proven winners who have played for top teams and are international stars. Not Scott Parker who has experience of playing for some of the worst teams in the league.

The reason we dropped points against lower sides isn't because of a lack of "experience" it's simply because our strikers aren't upto it, Phil Neville isn't going to help turn a 0-0 into a win. We performed well against the big sides .. so our players are experienced enough to do that but not beat the bottom sides? Good players make a good team, not "experience", that plays a 5% part at most - which we already have in the squad.

I don't care what you say but Levy drove the deals for Walker/Naughton/Sandro/VDV and Leandro if he signs, Harry had very little to do with any of them.

Based on?

JerryGarcia · Jun 5, 2011

3Dnata said:
It is happening and it seems that those who are in denial are relying on Daniel Levy to stop Harry.
We will have to replace or CB's through erosion soon enough what if we have to repeat that with goal keepers, strikers and whatever position Joe Cole is.
We are better run than Portsmouth and West Ham but Harry's legacy could be harmful to Tottenham.

Didn't West Ham and Portsmouth make profits from player sales under Harry? Surely it's the chairman who put those players on big money?

brett.spurs · Jun 5, 2011

Pringle said:
brett - i notice you havent responded to my comment asking for you to put your money where your mouth is? If you are so confident in what you say, lets put some ££ on it with the ££ going to the upkeep of this site!

ps - Parker won the league with Chelsea and played in the champs league as well so he does have experience of the highest level.

I haven't seen your post, what was it?

dvdhopeful said:
Based on?

Common sense.

Before Sandro's 1st game, Harry even said "Sandro better be good, or Ian Broomfield's getting the sack" obviously in a jokey banter way but the underlying truth is that it's not Harry's signing. Why would he buy an unproven 21 yr old from the other side of the world? He knows he's not going to be here in Sandro's peak years so why would he take £6m out of his transfer budget? Answer is, he didn't. Levy aims to keep young players ticking over while Harry buys the 30yr olds(40yr olds even)

The same goes for Leandro if he signs, he'll be Levy's signing on our scuts recommendation and Harry buys Drogba - which I'd be in favour of by the way.

Pringle · Jun 5, 2011

This post brett -

brett.spurs said:
35 first team players on the books and Harry wants more - loan 10 out and bring in more, out of sight and out of mind.

Pringle said:
tbh this is the kind of sentence that sums up why people dont take you seriously - you only ever present 1 side of things. Harry has also said that he ll trim the squad - infact i am willing to bet you £50 to this site that we dont have a 35 man first team squad come the first september. Time to put your money where your mouth is.......

The likes of Bassong, O Hara, GDS, Bentley, Kranjcar, Keane all look certs to leave with Woodgate possibly being released as well. Then you have the likes of Jenas, Pav, Hutton and Defoe who are speculated to be getting interest. Then obviously the youngsters like Caulker, Naughton etc will be going on loan to gain experience (just like all the other top clubs do).

As said - i bet £50 that we will not have 35 first team players available for selection on the 1st september (ill even ignore injuries and suspensions to help you out)

Pringle · Jun 5, 2011

brett.spurs said:
Before Sandro's 1st game, Harry even said "Sandro better be good, or Ian Broomfield's getting the sack" obviously in a jokey banter way but the underlying truth is that it's not Harry's signing. Why would he buy an unproven 21 yr old from the other side of the world? He knows he's not going to be here in Sandro's peak years so why would he take £6m out of his transfer budget? Answer is, he didn't. Levy aims to keep young players ticking over while Harry buys the 30yr olds(40yr olds even)

The same goes for Leandro if he signs, he'll be Levy's signing on our scuts recommendation and Harry buys Drogba - which I'd be in favour of by the way.

Based on that then - Fergie cant take credit for Chicarito, I doubt Wenger went to Luton to watch Wilshere before taking him, i also doubt he went to watch Barca's youth side to get fabregas..........

Of course the scout was the one who identified the player - thats their job isnt it????????????? Redknapp would then have looked at the player (maybe videos) discussed it with the scouts and then made a decision. Once he decided he wanted the player Levy would then have done all the contract stuff. I am convinced you dont have a clue how football works at times? Do you think managers go and watch every player, do the contract negotiations and just ask the chairman to sign the cheques?? :bang:

brett.spurs · Jun 5, 2011

Including those out on loan?

Pringle · Jun 5, 2011

Assuming they are not first team players (ie players listed as professionals ie caulker, rose, bostock, parrett etc) then yeah that fine! We currently have 36 (although Pletikosas loan is about to end so 35). I am therefore saying from this day on, we will bring in less players on transfers than we sell).

If we bring in a player on loan they also dont count (seeming as im including players we send on loan). £50 to the site from whoever is wrong!

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