Is it happening?

[brett.spurs]

I've been in support of Harry for most of his time here but the warning signs are really becoming apparent now. When he was first appointed I heard a lot of other club's fans say he'll do well in the short term but will soon begin killing the club from the inside by overloading the squad with over-the-hill players on mega fat wages. I quickly brushed that off as I thought Daniel Levy is too savy and too strong to let Harry get his way but I'm seriously starting to doubt this.

Harry's previous clubs have all gone into financial meltdown following his departure, are we in danger of this happening to us too? I want to see glory at the club but not at the expense of it's future.

 

[PT]

If you mean Jow Cole, he is 29 years old - hardly over the hill. Gallas was an exception - a world class defender on a Bosman. Woodgate is thirty something plus yet there is a hardly a murmour that apparently he is to be offered a new deal on a pay as you play scheme.

Secondly, Levy holds the purse strings and has too much experience to be guided down the route of bringing in a swathe of players with little sell-on value.

You have no concerns Brett.

 

[Pringle]

the fact the only players he has signed who are on our books that fit into that category are Friedel and Gallas kind of answers that for you - especially when you consider the number of players he has brought.

I guess you can take speculation as gospel though and assume it has already happened. Alternatively you could go with the facts, as posted in my first paragraph. Your call.

 

[tooey]

I dont think DL would ever let the club get into a position where we are banking on a certain level of success to stay afloat. As far as I know, we still dont offer mega wages to players, unless of course they prove their worth, ala Modric.

So some degree the long term future is dependant on our short term success. Next season will be vital. If we can make that CL place again then I think we will see an influx of younger players. As it happens we really need to focus on where we fell sort last season. I think its pretty apparent to all that what we lacked was a set of strikers who could hit the back of the net. The only way a move for a 30+ year old player is a viable option financially is to offer them a short term contract with a % of wage dependant on playing time.

I have full faith in Levy to not let Harry bugger up the books, if he is intending on doing so.

 

[Blockbuster]

Behave Brett, getting tiresome now.

 

[marvel]

No it's not happening and it won't happen

 

[brett.spurs]

the fact the only players he has signed who are on our books that fit into that category are Friedel and Gallas kind of answers that for you - especially when you consider the number of players he has brought.

I guess you can take speculation as gospel though and assume it has already happened. Alternatively you could go with the facts, as posted in my first paragraph. Your call.

Not going down this route again but you know for a fact he wants/wanted to bring in Neville, Parker, Cole, Beckham etc. He's openly spoke of his love for them so it's not newspaper speculation. This is what he's done at his previous clubs, speak through the press to put pressure on the chairman and end up loading the club up with past it players on fat cat wages. Then move on when the financial situation isn't looking so good.

This isn't just me slagging him off, fans from other clubs see it too but you all want to brush it under the carpet.

 

[DJS]

Latest ITK suggests that we have no interest in Joe Cole and Leandro should be in sometime next week.

This kind of disproves this theory if true.

Although I'd also happily take an old pro Didier Drogba in addition... :hump:

 

[cusop]

It's good to question Redknapps past, but he also resurrected Glen Johnson and Kaboul careers at Pompey not to mention Defoe and Crouch..

The big problem at Pompey is that the club was small and could not grow! We can grow and he won't be with us for ever. When Arnesen brought the Morrocan no one complained.

Cole is either crocked or still recovering, we won't make a penny on a resale. Nor with Fredal .. But they may work .. Who's knows?

 

[Pringle]

in which case brett you have contradicted your own first statement. You were concerned that Harry was starting to get his own way with Levy - well we havent signed Parker, Cole, Neville or Beckham so it seems that Levy wont allow that to happen. As that was the point of the thread (or was it just another excuse to mention that you think harry loves old players?) then its been conclusively answered by your own comments. Cheers

 

[marvel]

I don't think Parker falls into the category of over the hill and on fat wages, he's just had his best season domestically and is an England international.

 

[yawa]

Not going down this route again but you know for a fact he wants/wanted to bring in Neville, Parker, Cole, Beckham etc. He's openly spoke of his love for them so it's not newspaper speculation. This is what he's done at his previous clubs, speak through the press to put pressure on the chairman and end up loading the club up with past it players on fat cat wages. Then move on when the financial situation isn't looking so good.

Doesnt say anywhere he wants to bring all of these in this summer. So he wants some experienced heads in the team who have a bit of fight. Cant see a problem with that.

Unfortunately I think with the likes of Beckham around for all of this season we might have had someone in the squad with the winning mentality to help us get through some of the crap performances we put out against the bottom 4.

 

[Azrael]

I was one of the people who said Harry was good in the short term but a worry long term (although I never suggested he would overload the squad). That remains a worry of mine, but , as I have said already recently, I don't see an upgrade presently on the market.

As for financial meltdown? Don't be silly. We are 12th (I think) richest club in the world.

 

[C0YS]

Are you one of those people which actually believe any manager anywhere, is actually incharge of the finances. I'[m pretty sure that no manger in the PL negotiates over contracts/wages. And we have only loaded our squad with Brad Friedel at the moment which is probably on a not that high wage and was a free transfer. It probably actually saves money in the end. Lets talk about the myth about Redknapp and finances, which he has no control of.

Bournmouth, have financial problems a good 15ish years after Redknapp leaves. Sold players for a lot more money then he bought them for, left the club a division up, from the brink of conference football when he originally took over, with a lot more money then he left them with

West Ham, financial problems happen a good 5-10 years after he leaves. Probably made the biggest profit for WH then any other coach.

Portsmouth, they are promoted and left in a better financial state then before he took over

Southampton, stays for a very short time, leaves the club in the same financial situation as it started, financial problems start when they get relegated down a tier again a good few years after he leaves

Portsmouth again, terribly run, might of been paying over the top wages but did make a massive, a really quite astounding profit on selling players. Was given large bonuses however. But I doubt that he had much to do with what was essentially a badly run club.

Joins Tottenham, a club which is financially the 2nd best in the league according to experts. The vast bulk of debt is future plans related, not even close to financial meltdown, run by one of the richest billionaires in the world who barley pays a penny into the club. The value of the club as sky rocketed since take over, and has a strict wage budget. The only reason there are currently money constraints is because we are currently saving something close to £100m to get a new stadium somehow.

I conclude Redknapp has fuck all to do with the financial side of football clubs, fuck all. You're basing your whole argument on some players who have been s linked to us, who probably will not be on that fat wages, and who will replace a hell of a lot of players in the team and is part of the streamlining process. By going for these players we are probably saving money ffs

 

[ajspurs]

*Sighs*

 

[Mr Pink]

Its not happening and won't happen because of one reason:

Daniel Levy is far too strong and adept in his role as chairman to even flirt with risky business behaviour that could compromise the financial well being and future of this Club...I'm sure he takes pride in how well our Club is run from this point of view and hasn't spent years getting us into this position to suddently adopt some sort of wreckless business strategy - no matter who the manager is.

 

[brett.spurs]

Are you one of those people which actually believe any manager anywhere, is actually incharge of the finances. I'[m pretty sure that no manger in the PL negotiates over contracts/wages. And we have only loaded our squad with Brad Friedel at the moment which is probably on a not that high wage and was a free transfer. It probably actually saves money in the end. Lets talk about the myth about Redknapp and finances, which he has no control of.

Bournmouth, have financial problems a good 15ish years after Redknapp leaves. Sold players for a lot more money then he bought them for, left the club a division up, from the brink of conference football when he originally took over, with a lot more money then he left them with

West Ham, financial problems happen a good 5-10 years after he leaves. Probably made the biggest profit for WH then any other coach.

Portsmouth, they are promoted and left in a better financial state then before he took over

Southampton, stays for a very short time, leaves the club in the same financial situation as it started, financial problems start when they get relegated down a tier again a good few years after he leaves

Portsmouth again, terribly run, might of been paying over the top wages but did make a massive, a really quite astounding profit on selling players. Was given large bonuses however. But I doubt that he had much to do with what was essentially a badly run club.

Joins Tottenham, a club which is financially the 2nd best in the league according to experts. The vast bulk of debt is future plans related, not even close to financial meltdown, run by one of the richest billionaires in the world who barley pays a penny into the club. The value of the club as sky rocketed since take over, and has a strict wage budget. The only reason there are currently money constraints is because we are currently saving something close to £100m to get a new stadium somehow.

I conclude Redknapp has fuck all to do with the financial side of football clubs, fuck all. You're basing your whole argument on some players who have been s linked to us, who probably will not be on that fat wages, and who will replace a hell of a lot of players in the team and is part of the streamlining process. By going for these players we are probably saving money ffs

No, I've always stated that Levy does the deals if they make financial sense. But it's following exactly the same pattern as the other clubs he ruined, putting pressure on the chairman through the media to spend and bring in his fat cat mates. Levy seems to have always resisted but Friedel signing is making me doubt that now and the real killer will be if we buy Joe Cole.

I'd take being an almost ran rather than the next Portsmouth. With the FFP rules coming into play and with no new stadium to gain more revenue we could end up becoming one these clubs that spends it's entire turnover on wages. It needs to be stopped, 35 first team players on the books and Harry wants more - loan 10 out and bring in more, out of sight and out of mind.

 

[THOWIG]

Brett who would you replace Redknapp with?

 

[Azrael]

Brett who would you replace Redknapp with?

I'll put down £10 on him saying Brian Clough.

 

[Pringle]

. It needs to be stopped, 35 first team players on the books and Harry wants more - loan 10 out and bring in more, out of sight and out of mind.

tbh this is the kind of sentence that sums up why people dont take you seriously - you only ever present 1 side of things. Harry has also said that he ll trim the squad - infact i am willing to bet you £50 to this site that we dont have a 35 man first team squad come the first september. Time to put your money where your mouth is.......

The likes of Bassong, O Hara, GDS, Bentley, Kranjcar, Keane all look certs to leave with Woodgate possibly being released as well. Then you have the likes of Jenas, Pav, Hutton and Defoe who are speculated to be getting interest. Then obviously the youngsters like Caulker, Naughton etc will be going on loan to gain experience (just like all the other top clubs do).

As said - i bet £50 that we will not have 35 first team players available for selection on the 1st september (ill even ignore injuries and suspensions to help you out)