stemark44
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Darren Bent scores goals for fun but that will never make him a football legend.
Is football getting a bit rubbish now?
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Darren Bent scores goals for fun but that will never make him a football legend.
Staggering.
Is their a block function on here?
:bang:
Bent won the world player of the year, 3 leagues, Fa cup, 3 league cups, Copa del Rey, and the Champions league as well didn't he.
Oh no wait.....
He's also not as quick, not as strong, not as creative.
Not as two footed, quick footed, fleet footed or sleight of footed
Nor is he as good at using his head, not looking with his head, or heading,
Next.
stemark44
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Did you actually watch him against us this year,scored 2 goals that were both our keeper's fault and did fuck all and posed no kind of threat to our defence.
Legend's don't disappear in big games just watch Messi against United,
Best against Benfica,Pele against Italy,Maradona against England.
Ronaldo disappears in BIG games on a regular basis.
As I said very good player who can score goals but that's it.
Do you have a fetish for feet?
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money has ruined football
if it's not wankers exploiting it to make money, it's wankers using it to show off money
I love the game but everything that comes with it these days is ridiculous it's like hollywood
if it's not wankers exploiting it to make money, it's wankers using it to show off money
I love the game but everything that comes with it these days is ridiculous it's like hollywood
bigturnip
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I agree with a lot of what you say except the club comparisons, 20 years ago Man City were more recent winners of the league than Man U, they are both big clubs, Man U just got lucky and were at the top when the money started coming into football and thus could sustain their position.
The Premier League has become a two tier league, with 5 or 6 teams competing for the top 4 positions and the rest just there for the ride.
Hopefully the FFP rules will help, but they will take about 5 or 6 years to have any real effect, and only then if they are properly enforced.
The Champion's League is a bit of a joke because it tries to strike a balance between having the champions of various European leagues and the best European teams. It needs splitting in two, a straight knockout competition for the actual champions of the various European leagues and a competition for the best teams in Europe, possibly based purely on European coefficients.
The players do need to go on some 'man up' training before they are allowed anywhere near a football field.
spursphil
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Messi & Ronaldo play for the best two teams in Spain who historically dominate their league. Scoring goals against far weaker opposition every week should be a doodle.
When Maradona went to Italy, he didn't join one of the 3 giants of serie A, he joined Napoli, a team who had never won the title.
The Italians pride themselves on defending to them its an artform. The Italians were the current World Champions and had World Class defenders throughout the league. Gifted players like Maradona had little protection from ruthless and sometimes brutal defenders.
Claudio Gentile was one such defender, who could mark a man out of the game by fair means or foul, it didn't much matter.
http://youtu.be/MvK2z6eUbAE
Maradona played against top class defenders every week, the likes of Gaetano Scirea, Gentile, Maldini, Baresi, Costacurta, Tassotti, Bergomi, Cabrini etc. all considered as some of the best defenders of all time.
When did Ronaldo face such quality, in fact Ronaldo gifted as he is would not last 5 minutes with the likes of Gentile. The play acting show pony would be screaming to taken off.
Messi & Ronaldo would have struggled big time to score goals in Italy in the 80's by far the toughest league at the time, full to the brim of world class defenders.
http://youtu.be/J3fuVO_jq9A
Jay The Yid
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Some really interesting comments on here. Looks like the majority of people agree with me and some of posters who don't make some good points aswell.
All I can say is that I love spurs always have done and apart from my family are my biggest love in the world.
Maybe I'm getting old and to be fair I'm sounding like me old man even more each passing day. I come from a big spurs supporting family but now my elders have been completed turned off by the current game and the word they use constantly is Obscene. I guess they can't get their head around the money in the game and the fact that an average to poor player can earn more in a week than the average man earns in a year
I love spurs and always will and I've been going to the Lane since the early 80's when i was just a kid. I love reminiscing about all the greats I've seen. For the last 15 years I've been a season ticket holder and for the first time last season I was seriously considering giving it up part of the reason was the cost but mainly it's because I'm disalusioned with the game itself. Alot of people think it's better than ever I plainly disagree. I hate the fact that smaller clubs like city and Chelsea are seen as bigger than us, just because they have a rich owner.
As it happens I have renewed this year and will always love going to the lane. But I honestly think next season will be my last as a season ticket holder. It's not the game I was bought up with anymore.
But I will always love my spurs!!
All I can say is that I love spurs always have done and apart from my family are my biggest love in the world.
Maybe I'm getting old and to be fair I'm sounding like me old man even more each passing day. I come from a big spurs supporting family but now my elders have been completed turned off by the current game and the word they use constantly is Obscene. I guess they can't get their head around the money in the game and the fact that an average to poor player can earn more in a week than the average man earns in a year
I love spurs and always will and I've been going to the Lane since the early 80's when i was just a kid. I love reminiscing about all the greats I've seen. For the last 15 years I've been a season ticket holder and for the first time last season I was seriously considering giving it up part of the reason was the cost but mainly it's because I'm disalusioned with the game itself. Alot of people think it's better than ever I plainly disagree. I hate the fact that smaller clubs like city and Chelsea are seen as bigger than us, just because they have a rich owner.
As it happens I have renewed this year and will always love going to the lane. But I honestly think next season will be my last as a season ticket holder. It's not the game I was bought up with anymore.
But I will always love my spurs!!
Yep we already did this one earlier, it was the part when Maradona went to Barca when he was roughly Messi's age now and did FUCK all.
Please don't confuse defensive tactics with great defenders. I'm sure Italy had many world class centre halves in 1986, but they didn't suddenly unearth 32 of them in the same season.
In case you didn't notice, half of those league games I refer to for Ronaldo were in our very own Premier league.
Did you actually watch him against us this year,scored 2 goals that were both our keeper's fault and did fuck all and posed no kind of threat to our defence.
Legend's don't disappear in big games just watch Messi against United,
Best against Benfica,Pele against Italy,Maradona against England.
Ronaldo disappears in BIG games on a regular basis.
As I said very good player who can score goals but that's it.
Do you have a fetish for feet?
Yes also heads....
He did fuck all and scored twice. Again, brilliant analysis....
As I said, just watch the performances as I do. He is like a machine.
I didn't see him disappear when he scored the winner against Barca and won the spanish cup final, he was simply awesome. Or when he was awesome against Chelsea in the CL final, top scored in the tournament, and scored against all of the big four in the same season.
You can throw urban myths that you read in the 2006 Metro at me all day, but unless you can bring hard evidence to the contrary, I will have argument on toast all day.
Check out how many goals he's scored against Chelsea, Arsenal, us, Valencia, Seville Villereal while your at it, and then just watch the video of his goals from this season, cos we may never be blessed with two like we have right now.
spursphil
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Maradona broke his leg while at Barca, a brutal tackle from behind nearly destroyed his ankle ligaments.
For decades the best players in the world ended up in Italy, in the 80's it was the place to play, the standard of world class defenders far excels anything Ronaldo has ever faced.
Thankfully millions of football fans would put Maradona streets ahead of your little show pony.
Real_madyidd
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There is a lovely 25 VOL series of Maradona dribbling skill videos on You Tube.
It is literally 25 videos of Maradona being greedy and getting fouled...... It was actually frustrating to watch.
Again, make your own judgements, rather than using the myths of Argies and Gomorra.
I would like to have seen the tactics applied to Ronaldo......as he followed up immediately by planting 25 yard free kicks into the top corner. (Check out his brace of free kicks against Villereal 7-odd weeks ago.)
dcarney75
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Maradona, with today's fitness and conditioning levels, would be right up there.
Maradona, even without today's fitness and conditioning levels, would still be a pretty terrifying prospect. A lot of what he did relied on quickness of thought, and he was nigh on impossible to shake/knock off the ball. Both these qualities (the former especially) would still serve him well today.
Maradona, even without today's fitness and conditioning levels, would still be a pretty terrifying prospect. A lot of what he did relied on quickness of thought, and he was nigh on impossible to shake/knock off the ball. Both these qualities (the former especially) would still serve him well today.
Casparian
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This guy was not to bad tbh
Gerhard Muller since you asked about goals etc but his record is hmm...
Played - 1216
Scored - 1461
Bayern Munich
Born in Nördlingen, Germany, Müller began his football career at the TSV 1861 Nördlingen. Müller joined FC Bayern Munich in 1964 where he teamed up with future stars Franz Beckenbauer and Sepp Maier. The club, which would go on to become the most successful German club in history was then still in the Regionalliga Süd (Regional League South), which was one level below the Bundesliga at the time. After one season, Bayern Munich advanced to the Bundesliga and started a long string of successes. With his club, Müller amassed titles during the 60s and 70s: He won the German Championship four times, the German Cup four times, the European Champions' Cup three times, the Intercontinental Cup once, and the European Cup Winners’ Cup once.
A supremely opportunistic goal-scorer, he also became German top scorer seven times and European top scorer twice. Müller scored 365 goals in 427 Bundesliga matches for Bayern Munich, almost 100 goals more than the second most successful Bundesliga scorer, Klaus Fischer. He holds the single-season Bundesliga record with 40 goals in season 1971–72. He scored 68 goals in 62 German Cup games. His record of 66 goals in 74 appearances at European Cups was just recently surpassed by Raúl González of Schalke 04.
National team
Müller scored 68 goals in 62 games for West Germany. His international career started in 1966 and ended on 7 July 1974 with the win of the World Cup at his home stadium in Munich. He scored the winning goal for the 2–1 victory over the Netherlands in the final. His four goals in that tournament and his ten goals at the 1970 World Cup combined made him the all-time highest World Cup goalscorer overall at the time with 14 goals; his record stood until the 2006 tournament, coincidentally held in Germany, when it was broken by Brazilian forward Ronaldo on 27 June 2006 playing against Ghana and was equalled by his countryman Miroslav Klose in 2010.
As of the end of the 2006 tournament, Ronaldo has scored 15 goals in four World Cups. Müller also participated in the 1972 European Championship, becoming top scorer with four goals (including two in the final) and winning the Championship with the German team.
That's pretty amazing. I guess he doesn't recieve the status he should in England, because when he was around the whole country was still very anti Germany.
I know we warred with the Argies as well.....but we were taking the piss a bit, and it weren't for 6 years.....
I still firmly place Maradona in the top 5 of all time.
Ronaldo and Messi have dominated the highest calibre of football for the last 4 years the way no two men have before. Not just for 1 season, but for 4, and both still to reach the so called peak age.
You can only beat what's put in front of you, so who is to say whether Maradona would have had the same impact today. The chances are, with his years of drug abuse, its sincerely doubtful. We have a great yardstick to measure that against. 5 years ago, Ronaldinho was the best player in the world, then he decided to get amongst it, and rapidly declined.
lillywhites61
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For who are saying maradona is the best that ever lived, I will give him that title another year maybe two, then with out doubt messi will eclipse him, messi is magnificent and has gig everything maradona had plus class as a person as well, something maradona never had. Messi is not only the best player on the planet bar none he carries himself very well and is a great role model as well. I only hope he wins a world cup so that it can't be used against him later on.
tommo84
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Niether club ever had a period of dominance prior to their resepcetive takeovers, and they are both spending money they could NEVER have generated without the assistance of a sugar-daddy. The OP didn't equate their histories to that of Dagenham and Redbridge, he simply pointed out how 20 years ago at the start of the Premiership they were both very unlikely candidates for the mantle of the country's footballing powerhouses. And he's right.
You've missed the point - he didnt say he found our games boring or our campaign boring, he says the competition is boring, with special reference given to the group phase. I agree with him. I hardly watched it in the 09/10 season and I'll hardly watch it next season. 90% of the group games are of a standard no better than average domestic game and yet its billed as a whole other level. 32 teams enter the group phase and yet every year you can predict 6 of the quarter finalists before a ball is kicked.
For the sport's greatest competition, it isn't sounding all that competitive when you put it like that is it?!
Again you have missed the point a bit. He's suggesting that the media perceives there to be little difference in finishing between 5th and 15th and therefore there is no prestige awarded to finishing 5th. In fact, I'd go further and say that, because all 6 of the teams competing for the top 4 spots last season were hyped up at different times and the media suggests they SHOULD all be finishing top 4, whoever finishes 5th/6th is invariably met with derision in the press who perpetuate the idea that if you aint Champions Leage you're nothing.
Casparian
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Agree glad the post was taken as intended since you asked about goals etc.Besides he ended his career the year after I was born so yeah lol naturally everyone has tales on great players to look back upon and Muller was/is highly regarded as an all time great.Truth told what set apart footy back in the day in terms of world cup for me anyway was that most teams in it had players that fans would be excited to watch for me these are the likes of...
Gigi Hagi from Romania
Stoichkov of Bulgaria
Klinsmann of Germany
Roberto Baggio of Italy
Maradona of Argentina
Roger Milla of Cameroon
Romario of Brazil
Carlos Valderrama (fuzzy hair ftw benny cant compete lol) of Colombia
Davor Suker and Robert Prosinecki of Yugoslavia
Ruben Sosa of Uruguay
Lineker,Gazza and former player Waddle of England
Marco Van Basten of Holland
Point being for me as a 10yo that world cup was the best ever so much drama and looking back now every country had a player that stood out as a threat/talisman.Ireland made it to the quarters before being Ko'd by that man Schillachi yeah wont forget him in a hurry for sure though houghton 94 goal at the giants stadium was sweet hehe.
Sorry ended up all reminiscing there,then of course theres all that happened with my 2nd team Barca under the great Johan Cruyff.Guardiola,Koeman,Stoichkov,Laudrup and Romario!!!!! I am a major fan of Messi btw and the current squad in place over there.What stands Messi out has already being alluded to in terms of his overall persona aswell as majestic play on the pitch.Was blessed to see him warming up at the Wembley Cup in person all of course are memories that cant be taken away regardless of todays climate.
I love what I see is being attempted at Spurs I bleed blue & white having a club that pioneers and makes me proud is more important to me than anything else or anyone in terms of players only player at Spurs in the present that makes my heart race more with pride is Ledley King though Dawson is close due to his own passionate displays Ledley is born and bred Yid.He unlike another knob often gave short change when so called mega clubs came along yeah I remember him telling Chavs to do one with a £20m bid.
He is in the present a dying breed and I think this may well be why so many older fans see glimpses of him in Caulker he is equally mature look at his interviews not a trace of gobshite attitude.Anyway getting carried away perhaps off topic to apologies.Gonna go dig up that Jimtheyids video thread on ere me thinks.
Real_madyidd
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I can appreciate that view. For me he would have to be a bit more of a flash bastard though. He is great and does fantastic things, but he should really showboat. I wouldn't object to him signing for Tottenham if he really wants to convince me.
