The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 28 July 2011

raymundo-iow · Jul 28, 2011

"Meanwhile, Arsenal are to be offered Real Madrid forward Karim Benzema for £25m as the Spanish club prepare a move for Manchester City forward Carlos Tevez."

This was from the BBC roundup, if it has any legs to it surely levy would see him as the marquee signing everyone's craving for. Shows ambition and ticks all the boxes. It's not just modric he has to show ambition to it's more so the fans

blueant27 · Jul 28, 2011

The longer this goes on the more worried im getting, keane crouch defoe and pav are all still here

Im sure DL has a plan and is working very hard but all this word about last minute deals is not what we wanna hear

talkshowhost86 · Jul 28, 2011

robin09 said:
It's hard to believe we had targeted the players we wanted, before the window opened.

I would have hoped we'd have courted the players we liked, to make sure we weren't wasting our time negotiating with their clubs.

Maybe we have done that, and things have changed on the player/club side.

But we don't seem to have a clear plan of who we want, and how we can get them. It's all a bit last minute.

The problem is that no matter how much research/courting of players you do, it doesn't stop any number of people involved changing their mind.

A club can hit a financial problem and want to sell, or have a suddent windfall and not want to sell. Agents can say players are interested but as soon as more money is on the table from elsewhere that all changes. Players can say they want to move somewhere and then have a sudden change of heart.

I think it's highly unlikely that Harry and Levy had no targets before the window opened and I'm sure that Levy would have put the feelers out to see what was going on. But things change very quickly in football so forward planning isn't always going to help.

Paolo10 · Jul 28, 2011

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Originally Posted by Spursh

Robbie44 on COYS (warning: long sentence :lol: )....

Not claiming to be itk or anything and believe me if you want or dont whatever it makes no difference to me but I guarantee this as its straight from the horses mouth ( redknapp ) we had Rossi all sewn up in jan for 20m everything was agreed with club and player until levy at the last minute changed the deal and said we were only willing to pay 15m, obviously villareal were not to pleased and basically told him to naff off and rightly so imo, then when we got desperate at the end of the window and went back in they were so pissed off about levy changing the deal at the last minute after everything was agreed they didn't want to know.

A&C: I was told this a while ago. The numbers he quotes aren't right though.

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I can't believe more people aren't talking about this as it was backed up by a couple of people.

Daniel Levy, you cost us VERY dearly last season. The chairman's brinkmanship has far too much to answer for of late, going to the wire again is completely out of the fucking question IMO.

Who's to say Villareal won't fuck him around this time and we're left with a big surplus of cash again?!

Gutted to hear that backed up, it just reaffirms my doubts about the chairman and his modus operandi. THIS WINDOW IS TOO IMPORTANT TO FUCK UP!

Spurvert · Jul 28, 2011

Is Rossi the masses #1 choice on here? I mean, I think he's a fantastic footballer, but he's not my first choice

markiespurs · Jul 28, 2011

Spurvert said:
Is Rossi the masses #1 choice on here? I mean, I think he's a fantastic footballer, but he's not my first choice

Not my first choice, He is a fantastic player, but not what we need upfront imho

Jonboy · Jul 28, 2011

if that is true then we need new owners as we will never compete.
To be a big club you must act like one

mattyspurs · Jul 28, 2011

Spurvert said:
Is Rossi the masses #1 choice on here? I mean, I think he's a fantastic footballer, but he's not my first choice

markiespurs said:
Not my first choice, He is a fantastic player, but not what we need upfront imho

Nope, not my first choice. Great footballer, potentially very good for us. But not the striker to play off of Rafa in my opinion.

The man we need is Vucinic, I have wanted him for a few years now, and would be delighted to get him and gutted if all of this falls though. He's a better fir for us at this momemnt in time than Rossi.

Clamour_Kid · Jul 28, 2011

Just spoke to MadridSpur regarding Mata.

I asked him if he got in touch with him and his reply was:

"Yep... he "can't say". Which means the Arsenal move seems to be on."

Paolo10 · Jul 28, 2011

Spurvert said:
Is Rossi the masses #1 choice on here? I mean, I think he's a fantastic footballer, but he's not my first choice

If he's one of Harry's main targets I have complete faith that he's right for the side, in saying that I expect someone a bit more physical to come in too. One forward is not enough, and barring an in the goals JD (hard for a lot to believe on here), our options aren't good enough. Levy has to make this right, still can't believe the posturing cost us Rossi for half a season.

nailsy · Jul 28, 2011

Spurvert said:
Is Rossi the masses #1 choice on here? I mean, I think he's a fantastic footballer, but he's not my first choice

Llorente is my first choice, but I'd settle for Rossi.

Clamour_Kid · Jul 28, 2011

Clamour_Kid said:
Just spoke to MadridSpur regarding Mata.

I asked him if he got in touch with him and his reply was:

"Yep... he "can't say". Which means the Arsenal move seems to be on."

Going on I asked "And not Spurs?"

MadridSpur: he couldn't/wouldn't say so I didn't press him. His Dad etc are talking to someone but no offer made to VCF yet. That's all he'd say.

talkshowhost86 · Jul 28, 2011

If it's a straight choice for Mata between Arsenal and us then Mata wouldn't hesitate to choose them unfortunately.

Babylon22 · Jul 28, 2011

Fuck sake.

Legacy · Jul 28, 2011

IanWrightsUglyWife said:
As much as i hate to say it getting rid of the director of football role was probably a bad move.

Getting rid of Comolli was a necessary course of action. He put his balls on the line by pushing for Ramos to come in at Jol's expense, so when Ramos ballsed up, Comolli had to pay the price.

And looking at the players he's been signing so far this summer, we certainly dodged a few overpriced English bullets, in my opinion.

Our mistake was not hiring a new sporting director at the end of Redknapp's first season. Our idiocy was in not hiring a new sporting director before the start of this summer's window, after it became abundantly clear that Redknapp's player knowledge only covers the Premier League and the most high profile players in Europe.

Our scouting network is something Levy really needs to look at. I've read reports and articles about how we've changed the way we coach our youth players to make sure that the best players, rather than the strongest and fastest players, are given the best chance to progress through our ranks. Which is brilliant, but we need a similar kind of revolution in our scouting system.

We've got links to clubs in America, Brazil, South Africa and China (I think?) which is great for increasing our reputation and revenue. What we need though are links to, perhaps smaller, clubs in Croatia, France, Germany and Belgium that can give us better access to the up and coming talent in those countries before they hit the big time.

That way, we won't have to try and sign strikers that are clearly out of our league.

EDIT: Sorry, I just realised this was the ITK discussion thread. My post got so long that I forgot what I was replying to by the time I got to the end of it, ahah.

Clamour_Kid · Jul 28, 2011

talkshowhost86 said:
If it's a straight choice for Mata between Arsenal and us then Mata wouldn't hesitate to choose them unfortunately.

Yep I know... :O(

I only hold hope that Berba chose us over Man U when coming over from Germany. Why can't Mata?

rawhide · Jul 28, 2011

Spurger King said:
DJ Campbell. The new Frazier?

No, he's more of a Niles!:razz:

robin09 · Jul 28, 2011

talkshowhost86 said:
The problem is that no matter how much research/courting of players you do, it doesn't stop any number of people involved changing their mind.

A club can hit a financial problem and want to sell, or have a suddent windfall and not want to sell. Agents can say players are interested but as soon as more money is on the table from elsewhere that all changes. Players can say they want to move somewhere and then have a sudden change of heart.

I think it's highly unlikely that Harry and Levy had no targets before the window opened and I'm sure that Levy would have put the feelers out to see what was going on. But things change very quickly in football so forward planning isn't always going to help.

Absolutely agree. I can appreciate what a pain in the arse mercenary footballers must be, not to mention their clubs wanting to play one club off against another.

BUT, that being said, if I know that, so must Levy. In an ideal world we'd have signed someone before the window actually opened. Is that difficult? Yes, not many clubs would want to sell an asset in a closed market, but this is Levy. He who turns shit into gold coins!

If it was just this window, I wouldn't be so disappointed, but this is happening over and over again.

Find your target, and get them bought. I don't know if the issue is the fear of overpaying or the bloated squad, but either way they aren't good enough reasons to delay improving our team in my opinion.

Spurvert · Jul 28, 2011

I'm not going to cry if Mata goes to Arsenal. I'd prefer Afellay anyway

Our current striker situation, now that's 'adult male crying session' inducing

Legacy · Jul 28, 2011

talkshowhost86 said:
If it's a straight choice for Mata between Arsenal and us then Mata wouldn't hesitate to choose them unfortunately.

Not necessarily. Maybe he looks at Arsenal and sees the likelihood of them losing two of their three best players in Fabregas and Nasri. Maybe he looks at Arsenal and sees them not winning trophies in years. Maybe he looks at Arsenal and sees how they constantly talk big only to falter 2/3s into the season.

Maybe he sees Spurs having more ambition. Maybe he sees Spurs' performance in the Champion's League and likes the idea of being in a team that holds no fear of anybody. Maybe he sees Spurs and believes that he could be one of the two or three missing pieces that'd turn Spurs into champions.

Not that I'm saying he'll jizz himself at the prospect of signing for Spurs. But I also don't believe it's as clear cut as "Arsenal or Spurs? Arsenal, obviously."

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