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Well well it looks like we will be in transition next year then......
I like Martinez (wink) or Rodgers (wink) so does someone whose name rhymes with Heavy ;0)
Just spoke.....
Unai Emery?
Well well it looks like we will be in transition next year then......
I like Martinez (wink) or Rodgers (wink) so does someone whose name rhymes with Heavy ;0)
Just spoke.....
I don't think he ever was.Is Moyes no longer a candidate ?
How can you say Martinez or Rodgers are inexperienced ?
They are both Premier League managers
I would much prefer going for a young up and coming dynamic manager who has distinct ideas than someone looking for a final bumper pay day
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...rtinez-shock-candidate-for-Tottenham-job.html
Rodgers' 5 points from 21 this spring is actually even worse than Redknapp's 6 from 21.
The amount of candidates, credible ones at that, is actually ridiculous. It's getting to the point where Levy should approach UEFA andbribe them take over the European Championships, sack every manager currently in it and replace them with our shortlist of candidates. Rodgers can take over Germany, Martinez has France, Lambert has Netherlands, Moyes gets Ukraine, Benitez is Poland, Ancelotti Sweden and Tim Sherwood Spain. Harry takes England and the eventual winning manager gets the Spurs job for next season.
JJ, can you recommend it to your contact next time you're chatting...?
They have done some useful player trading each summer, but that money's invariably been ploughed back into the squad: http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/wigan-athletic-transfers.html
The one thing I like about Martinez is he has a philosophy and sticks to it, and he also manages to keep his team onside and motivated, but I don't think we've ever seen his philosophy consistently demonstrated on the football pitch, we've seen it in fits and spurts, but we've also seen some dire stuff from them too. He does have a track record, and to judge him you've got to look at the good and the bad, but of course put it all into the context of the kind of resources he's had available to him. Based on the above I think the biggest question mark must be over his method: exciting philosophy; patchy application.
Whilst on the subject of philosophy, I had a thought this morning about what in a very general sense separates the likes of Redknapp, Rodgers, Wenger and Martinez, from people like Allardyce, O'Neill, Lambert, and Moyes: the first group are primarily proactive; the second group are first reactive and second proactive. What separates Redknapp from Wenger, is that Redknapp doesn't have a coherent philosophy, nor does he have an effective method; I said elsewhere that he's a curator rather than a coach, he looks to benefit from the fruit of better coaches work, purchasing players he says have a good mentality, usually instilled by better coaches at their former clubs. After that, for Redknappo it's just a question of picking a team and leaving them to it - this is why he'd make a great national coach.
Redknapp tactically is hugely reactive and I don't think he has any sort of coherent philosophy at all apart from getting the best players he can (which goes for every manager) and then getting them to pass the ball to each other and express themselves. Does that make him more proactive than Moyes or Allardyce? I don't think he's proactive at all in that sense...
What makes you say Martinez or Rodgers are any more proactive than Allardyce or Moyes? They all have definite philosophies - it just seems some people prefer one over another.
And Martinez might plough the money back in but it still damages his squad to consistently lose his best players (Valencia, Palacios, Baines to name a few) and prevents him from ever building anything more than a team that is all about surviving every year...
Sloth, just read your excellent post on Moyes' signings in the other thread. Replying here as this is where most of the chat is. Just wanted to make an additional point that hadn't occurred to me before:
Moyes' best signings: Arteta, Pienaar, Baines, Jagielka, Howard, Fellaini and Lescott. I think it's safe to say pretty much all of those were "known quantities". Arteta was triffic in Scotland, Baines and Jags were hugely on everyone's radars, Howard came from Man Utd and half of Europe fancied Fellaini. I suddenly feel less than whelmed by his transfer activity.
So basically his 'safe' bets as you seem to suggest did well...sounds like Redknapp to me or Ferguson...I don't really see what point it makes unless to tell you that transfers carry risk and they all hit and miss....Fergie's signed LOADS of duds...everyone knew about Veron and Kleberson - and they still failed....
Sloth, just read your excellent post on Moyes' signings in the other thread. Replying here as this is where most of the chat is. Just wanted to make an additional point that hadn't occurred to me before:
Moyes' best signings: Arteta, Pienaar, Baines, Jagielka, Howard, Fellaini and Lescott. I think it's safe to say pretty much all of those were "known quantities". Arteta was triffic in Scotland, Baines and Jags were hugely on everyone's radars, Howard came from Man Utd and half of Europe fancied Fellaini. I suddenly feel less than whelmed by his transfer activity.
Fair point. You can certainly look at it that way. My comment was more about the quality of his scouting/player research as that is just as big as closing a deal, i.e. He hasn't picked up many unknowns that have worked out in a big way. You could more than fairly comment that Moyes obviously scouted Kyle Walker and would have done the deal had Everton been as attractive a club as Spurs. But then, again, people who watch the Champo knew Walker was going to be something special. Maybe Moyes would do better with more resources for scouting..?