Who will be our next manager?

[jimbo]

Naturally, he's not got the players to out-football better sides. I feel it shows he is less naive than Rodgers.

I don't really follow your point here, Swansea and Norwich are in roughly the same position player wise and both being new to the league this year. Swansea play more of a cultured passing game, Norwich are hard working and industrious, where does naivety come into it? If Norwich had had a better season I could see what you mean but as it stands I'm afraid I can't.

My main concern with Lambert is how he goes when his side get some better players and he has to act rather than react. But his Championship title suggests he has no problem being a favourite.

This is my main concern with Lambert too, and so far he has shown nothing to suggest he would play better quality football with a better quality of player. Allardyce certainly hasn't changed his formula wherever he's been. I would agree that he appears capable of handling expectation.

His Champions League winners medal likewise.

This comes up a lot. I would share in admiration for his study of coaching methods in Germany but I don't understand what his playing achievements can possibly tell us about his ability as a manager. There are a great many players who have had more successful careers than Paul Lambert and have gone on to be terrible managers. Playing achievement doesn't come into it as far as I'm concerned, look at Mourinho and Wenger compared to say Guulit, Maradonna or Keane.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

I don't really follow your point here, Swansea and Norwich are in roughly the same position player wise and both being new to the league this year. Swansea play more of a cultured passing game, Norwich are hard working and industrious, where does naivety come into it? If Norwich had had a better season I could see what you mean but as it stands I'm afraid I can't.

Just a personal feeling that in Joe Allen, Vorm and Britton Swansea have players in the top five (maybe not quite that for Vorm) in their position in the league. Norwich have no stars at all. I look at the two teams and think that without those three, Swansea would be struggling while you could take out any three players from Norwich and the results wouldn't be so different. Of course, that is very hard to say and maybe Swansea are just playing the sort of football that makes the like of Allen look so good. Or, just as likely, I think because Lambert is Scottish he *must* be better...

 

[jimbo]

Just a personal feeling that in Joe Allen, Vorm and Britton Swansea have players in the top five (maybe not quite that for Vorm) in their position in the league. Norwich have no stars at all. I look at the two teams and think that without those three, Swansea would be struggling while you could take out any three players from Norwich and the results wouldn't be so different. Of course, that is very hard to say and maybe Swansea are just playing the sort of football that makes the like of Allen look so good. Or, just as likely, I think because Lambert is Scottish he *must* be better...

It is an interesting question about Joe Allen (limit of one interesting question at a time). I really don't know if Joe Allen is a good player and that makes Swansea better or if the way Swansea play as a team makes Joe Allen look good. I haven't watched him for Wales, if that would cast any light on the subject?

I suppose you could also put forward the suggestion that perhaps the reason Lambo doesn't have players like Allen, Vorm and Britton is because he's not interested in those types of player.

I suspect he almost certainly wouldn't have gone for Vorm.

“British people had said to me he was too small, which was good for me because it probably meant he was good with his feet. When we got the chance to see him I realised he was perfect. He was 27, humble, and makes saves that a 6ft 5in keeper won’t make because he’s so fast. But, importantly, he can build a game from behind. He understands the lines of pass.”

 

[steve]

It's still Moyes...

 

[sloth]

I seriously doubt Lambert would use it at a bigger club. He didn't when Norwich were a (relatively, in L1 and Chmp) bigger fish as far as I saw.

Apart from the fact I'd like to see him continue his success at Norwich, I'd like to see how he went somewhere like Everton. Can't think he'd be any more professional/cynical/sensible than Moyes often is.

I doubt he would either, but is it straight forward to get players playing a different way? If it was then everyone would play something like Swansea/Arsenal/Barca. I think that it's very difficult and there don't appear to be many in the PL who can pull it off. I suspect this is because as with cooking it's not only the ingredients which matter (the Redknapp philosophy), but the precise combination and the cooking process which makes the difference (spot the man who watches Master Chef ), with Rodgers we've seen he has mastered this, which is the sole reason I'm interested in someone as inexperienced as he is, Lambert hasn't shown the same mastery.

Just a personal feeling that in Joe Allen, Vorm and Britton Swansea have players in the top five (maybe not quite that for Vorm) in their position in the league. Norwich have no stars at all. I look at the two teams and think that without those three, Swansea would be struggling while you could take out any three players from Norwich and the results wouldn't be so different. Of course, that is very hard to say and maybe Swansea are just playing the sort of football that makes the like of Allen look so good. Or, just as likely, I think because Lambert is Scottish he *must* be better...

I echo Jimbo's point re Joe Allen, and in fact the case of Britton might corroborate this. Leon Britton is a journeyman footballer who spent most of his career in League One, he briefly transferred from Swansea to Sheffield Utd but couldn't get in the side, Rodgers re-signed him for Swansea and the rest is history. Clearly Rodgers was the catalyst for Britton, without him he'd never have been able to show the player he was.

 

[StartingPrice]

Sloth's response, Sloth's response...so good he made it twice

THREE times

 

[jimbo]

Pretty much sums the appeal up for me an' all.

 

[sloth]

Sloth's response, Sloth's response...so good he made it twice

THREE times

And now twice deleted . I kept getting "Server's taken to long, please try again", so I did, twice!

 

[StartingPrice]

And now twice deleted . I kept getting "Server's taken to long, please try again", so I did, twice!

I thought you'd turned all Twitchy...

 

[Misfit]

And now twice deleted . I kept getting "Server's taken to long, please try again", so I did, twice!

Does that to me often enough too. It used to annoy me but now I burn down hospitals as a healthy expression of my rage. It's best not to bottle that kind of thing up or so the voices tell me.

 

[Riandor]

First...

Oh no, wait...

Anyway, over 107 pages of debate? What debate, mourinho or bust! Placards and mehpgaphines all the way to levy's dungeon, err mansion office thingy.

Come on, we're going streaking...

 

[CJMurray]

Would be interesting if we had a new poll to be honest. Most of the voting was done during a time when Mourinho seems possible and many (I included) voted for him. Be interesting to see who the clear favourite is bar Mourinho.

 

[Ginolas_Hair]

Pep anyone?

Only joking...

 

[Misfit]

Pep anyone?

Only joking...

Oh btw, I believe the traditional welcome is appropriate here btw.

Fuck off n00b!

 

[Ginolas_Hair]

Or a like for like swap - HR for Steve McLaren (yeshhhh?)

 

[Ginolas_Hair]

Nice to meet you too Misfit

 

[Misfit]

/dofs hat

 

[steve]

swansea gone 3-4-3 today, then again i guess you can afford to experiment when you're facing wolves.

So did Wigan...with a lot more success...

 

[Mr Pink]

So did Wigan...with a lot more success...

They were awesome today, just watched game of the day on Sky....wow, what a performance. The appetite was unbelievable and Newcastle were at full strength, not the patched up job we faced.

But why are Wigan only doing this now, I mean it really does beg the question what the feck are they doing all season when they clearly have this in their locker. No fluke in beating Arsenal, Liverpool, United, Newcastle and should of beaten Chelsea away as well.

 

[shaqTHFC]

Watching MOTD and Everton played some really nice stuff today, mostly centered around Pienaar. I'm coming round to the idea of Moyes as manager more and more now. He's tactically sound, and Everton play decent football, and I'd imagine Moyes wouldn't be dumb enough to play crappy long ball football or something like that with the players we have. Everton are also always very good against the top teams, whereas we lie down for Utd every single time we play them.