Harry Redknapp gone

AngerManagement · Jun 14, 2012

BillyWhizz said:
He hasn't technically been sacked though has he these things happen sometimes, though I expect some will still criticise the decision to let him go. Until we hear more from both parties we just don't know what the final factor was. Will I believe what either of them will say? Probably not.

don't focus too heavily on the semantics, sakced, let go, allowed to leave because contract not offered...... whatever way it is portrayed the media is going to be negative about it and I think it will only add to the pressure for the new man

Joycer · Jun 14, 2012

Davo99 said:
Jesus, some people on here are so ignorant.

Do people seriously not realise what an excellent job Moyes has and is doing at Everton? Not shrewd? Are you for fucking real? He spends absolutely nothing, because he's given absolutely nothing. Everton have been skint for years, yet they are always, always pushing on. He has a great eye for a player even though he can't pay big money and offer big wages, he builds teams with great team spirit and he gets players busting their bollocks for him. Look at Pienaar for fuck sake. He had to sell him for what? £2m? And look at how good he was when he went back there. That's how skint they are.

Look at when they do spend a bit of money. Jelavic was arguably buy of the season and he didn't cost the Earth. Just a calculated, measured signing. Got it bang on, again.

No money to spend and has to sell key players all the time just to keep going, but he's not just keeping them up, they're getting European football every year, are so hard to beat always and even finished above Liverpool who blew how much?

Not a good manager. Fucking hell, some people say some really stupid shit sometimes.

Spot on ...Some people are clueless, Do they think Everton are giving him millions to spend and he is choosing not to ???

AngerManagement · Jun 14, 2012

balotz said:
Forget Capello. We need to bring in a young manager who can build a legacy. We're no longer a team that needs a short term fix - and let's face it, that's what Redknapp was. Results wise you cannot say Harry did a bad job overall, but it was the lack of ambition and foresight that cost us.

"Couldn't be more pleased with 4th" - Redknapp 2012, before CL final
"This is as good as it gets" - after 5th place finish, 2011

Mixed feelings about Moyes - getting the best out of a limited set of players at Everton is no easy job, but a totally different task to what he'd face at Spurs.

Personally I think we should get AVB in. He suffered because of a powerful clique of veteran players at Chelsea - we don't have this problem. We'll have more chance of keeping Modric, Bale etc and attracting bigger names with AVB rather than Moyes.

There's no one we can bring in that won't have a huge amount of doubt and represent a big risk though, so whoever that man is we just have to back him and hope for the best.

I agree Moyes is a risk, could do great or could prove to be another Big Sam at Newcastle but if he comes in he deserves to be backed by every fan.

Its impossible to predict how well a new manager will do, how many managers did you think were going to be the man to turn things around? I know Hoddle, Santini and Ramos are three I thought would be a success

While I thought Redkanpp was a pooor a short term appointment that would only be good enough to save us from relegation so that proves at least that I cannot predict these things so I will just back the new man whoever he is and however much doubt and mixed feelings I have about the appointment

Davo99 · Jun 14, 2012

Ziege said:
Not 'good enough' does not equal "not a good manager".

Two entirely different things.

Oh, so because my personal, subjective opinion differs from yours I don't know what I'm talking about. Gotchya. And my post was stupid for 'personally' not seeing enough shrewdness (at least not to Harry's level IMO) in Moyes, I am then apparently ignorant.

Ok.

So to criticize a manager for the results of his team is ridiculous? Really? I think that happens every day and not just in football. If you are the boss and your 'team' doesn't do well enough in the eyes of others (even if their standards are not realistic) then you will be criticized for it, that is just reality.

Again, that is your opinion. Many people would also say that just because he puts Everton in the top 10 that doesn't mean he is the perfect manager for Spurs, or even the first choice.

I won't bother giving you a 'disagree' because I don't like your opinion, I don't care to bother since everyone has one. I will reiterate that 'not a good manager' and 'not good enough (for spurs)' are not the same thing, at all, and that I haven't seen anyone say David Moyes is crap, not a good manager or anything of the like, which is what you went off on.

So you have fun raging against things that weren't said. I'll just watch for more news about the new coach.

OK Mr. Wise Guy, you want to get all technical and start splitting hairs, fine by me.

Point out where I said YOU were the person who said he wasn't good enough. You've just decided that yourself. I've already said I've seen loads of people saying it, so why you have suddenly got all bitchy and defensive is beyond me. Please, point out where I mentioned you "PERSONALLY"...

So a person's opinion cannot be wrong? That's a rather interesting and quite honestly very thick to suggest. I could say Alex Ferguson is clueless about football. He clearly isn't but that could be my opinion, yet clearly just plain incorrect and ignorant. So yes, even if it's your opinion, it can be wrong and is wrong.

It's funny because in your post there's all sorts of condesending 'Gotchya's and whatever else, but then you come out and show your intelligence by completely missing my point. I was saying it's ridiculous when people criticise Moyes for only getting high mid table, not forgetting a handful of Europa spots and even a top 4 finish, all with absolutely nothing to spend. To not only not understand and appreciate how much of a great job he's done there year in, year out...but to CRITICISE him for it is moronic to put it kindly. That's what I was saying was ridiculous, not the actual concept of judging managers but the gross misjudgement of Moyes. I get the feeling you're not as smart as you evidently think you are...

Your last line just about sums you up.

kaz Hirai · Jun 14, 2012

Its ironic, a few of us called this back in spring, that Harry may end up with no job at all by the summer the way he let our form drop so badly.
And lets not forget, it was a really bad run, not just the results but the performances were a disgrace also after the newcastle game.

StartingPrice · Jun 14, 2012

Like many, of the more sensible (IMHO), I'm kinda conflicted on this: on the one hand, I felt this one gonna happen for quite a while, and Aitch's recent shenanigans have hardly helped, and I do feel that it may be the best thing for the club to move on, providing we get the enxt appointment right. On the other hand, I think we should all be thanking him for giving us some brilliant memories, and stop the pointless abuse. He isn't Yoda, (he'd tell you that yourself, but not in writing

), and he could be a bit of a pain. And, no, he didn't take us way above anywhere we were for decades, that process started with Arnesen and BMJ (who got us two 5th place finishes), and he did inherit some damned fine players. But at the same time, after the Ramos hiatus, he did achieve two top 4 finishes, which we shouldn't be sniffing at, and he gave us not just a CL run out, but a damned exciting one, with some fantastic football along the way.

And somewhat amazingly

I am inclined to agree with Davo, without wanting to abuse anyone: Moyes is a mroe than credible candidate, and no-one should be dismissing his work at Everton.

And would all of the Redknapp Loyalists please stop and consider this: you rightly castigate thosse who didn't want Reedknapp in the first place (which is fair enough), but then carried that through to actively wanting him to fail so that they could feel vindicated. Could you not do the same with the new man - whoever it is, could all of the Redknapp loyalists, and anyone else who is so inclined, like, actually get behind him, give him full support, and a bit of time and patience, eh (y)

balotz · Jun 14, 2012

AngerManagement said:
There's no one we can bring in that won't have a huge amount of doubt and represent a big risk though, so whoever that man is we just have to back him and hope for the best.

I agree Moyes is a risk, could do great or could prove to be another Big Sam at Newcastle but if he comes in he deserves to be backed by every fan.

Its impossible to predict how well a new manager will do, how many managers did you think were going to be the man to turn things around? I know Hoddle, Santini and Ramos are three I thought would be a success

While I thought Redkanpp was a pooor a short term appointment that would only be good enough to save us from relegation so that proves at least that I cannot predict these things so I will just back the new man whoever he is and however much doubt and mixed feelings I have about the appointment

If Moyes does come in I hope he's well received. I'm sure he's not everyone's first choice but without the fan's backing I'd fear another Hodgson / Liverpool scenario.

Agree that Redknapp did better than expected - and had he spoken more diplomatically to the press during his tenure he might still be in charge. Often the 'small-time' mentality crept into his statements, and that irked me as I couldn't imagine any other manager of a top team (we were challenging for the title!) speaking that way.

With Ramos and Santini I think the language barrier was a huge issue (though not the only issue). I hope our next manager, if foreign, is fluent in English. If you cannot communicate with the players you're already climbing uphill.

Davo99 · Jun 14, 2012

AngerManagement said:
I don't see how you can so strongly feel Moyes has done a better job than Redknapp did for us, ok Harry had more to work with but equally he achieved a lot more.

Moyes has done well with a limited budget ok, so did Curbishly at Charlton.

When did I suggest Jelavic was a one off? I am saying Pardew has also made several great signings but how do we really know the extent to which either he or moyes was involved in the scouting of these players or the signing of them? and indeed how do we know either would be able to replicate that at a team with different ambitions looking to bring in a different calibre of player?

Moyes has done well at ONE club, while you use that as a positive the flip side to that coin is we don't know how well he will do at another club out of his comfort zone.

The point is Pardew is doing well now, better than Moyes in fact and is managing a better calibre of player at a club with greater expectations, greater pressure and probably closer to the issues they would face at our job.

Big Sam at Bolton did well for years on a relatively small budget getting the best out of his players and making them punch above his weight (not at all dissimilar to Moyes) how did he fare when asked to transfer that performance at a bigger club with grander expectations and more money at his disposal?

Alan Curbishly worked wonders at Charlton for a very long time also, he too failed to reproduce that form when he took a bigger higher profile job.

Moyes has done well at Everton I agree, but there's a comfort zone that exists when you're at one club for a long period of time and as the likes of Curbs and Big Sam have shown this really does not guarantee success when you move on to bigger and better things.

I can't agree that Moyes has done better for Everton than Redknapp did for Spurs and I certainly can't say the job he has done makes him a more suitable manager for us than Harry (style of football the biggest factor)

Sideways step for me, Moyes could do a good job but there is a lot of potential for it to go tits up in my opinion, I'm not sure how the existing players will respond if he is appointed and I'm not sure how our transfer targets will change and I think he will takes us back before he can begin to take us forward and frankly if I am honest I would like someone bigger to take our job.

AM, I know you're a smart fella and you know your football, but I don't think you're giving Moyes enough credit.

You compare his success to that of Big Sam and Curbs. Fair enough, same sort of set-up. But for how long did both of those sustain it for? Nowhere near as long as Moyes, and playing nowhere near as good football. And neither actually got the league finishes Moyes got. He even brought them into the top 4 remember. Did Charlton or Bolton even get Europe? Bolton maybe once in the UEFA cup?

Not to mention how good a record Moyes has in the Cups too. They always seem to be there or thereabouts.

I understand the point you're making, but I totally disagree Redknapp's done a better job than Moyes. What exactly has Redknapp done that's so great? We were already the 5th best side in the league before he took over and were regularly finishing there at the time. I don't see how now we're suddenly so much better, despite us having a much stronger side. If anything I'd be in the Harry underachieved camp. We should have done so much more and achieved some much more last season. I thought he was a huge reason why we completely bollocksed it last term. What is it you think he has done that merits more praise than Moyes who has lets face it produced miracles every singly year for over a decade non-stop?

With the budget they have, Everton should really be fighting relegation every year and yo-yo between Premiership and Championship. But look at them. I think he's the third best manager in the league by a distance, but I guess not everybody appreciates what he does.

But seriously, what is it Harry's done that is so amazing, because quite honestly, I don't see it myself. He hasn't achieved nowhere near what Moyes has for their respective clubs with their respective budgets and goals. I can't see how anybody can possibly think otherwise either.

hodsgod · Jun 14, 2012

Davo99 said:
AM, I know you're a smart fella and you know your football, but I don't think you're giving Moyes enough credit.

You compare his success to that of Big Sam and Curbs. Fair enough, same sort of set-up. But for how long did both of those sustain it for? Nowhere near as long as Moyes, and playing nowhere near as good football. And neither actually got the league finishes Moyes got. He even brought them into the top 4 remember. Did Charlton or Bolton even get Europe? Bolton maybe once in the UEFA cup?

Not to mention how good a record Moyes has in the Cups too. They always seem to be there or thereabouts.

I understand the point you're making, but I totally disagree Redknapp's done a better job than Moyes. What exactly has Redknapp done that's so great? We were already the 5th best side in the league before he took over and were regularly finishing there at the time. I don't see how now we're suddenly so much better, despite us having a much stronger side. If anything I'd be in the Harry underachieved camp. We should have done so much more and achieved some much more last season. I thought he was a huge reason why we completely bollocksed it last term. What is it you think he has done that merits more praise than Moyes who has lets face it produced miracles every singly year for over a decade non-stop?

With the budget they have, Everton should really be fighting relegation every year and yo-yo between Premiership and Championship. But look at them. I think he's the third best manager in the league by a distance, but I guess not everybody appreciates what he does.

But seriously, what is it Harry's done that is so amazing, because quite honestly, I don't see it myself. He hasn't achieved nowhere near what Moyes has for their respective clubs with their respective budgets and goals. I can't see how anybody can possibly think otherwise either.

Moyes, have we sunk that bloody low? What has he achieved? One CL spot and promptly knocked out of the qualification round, and then out of UEFA qualification round. I am not saying Moyes is a bad manager, but I don't see any way that he is an upgrade on Harry. If you finish 4th in our league you ought to get through the group stages, our league is that good.

I would rather have Jol back than Moyes.

StartingPrice · Jun 14, 2012

Davo99 said:
And somewhat amazingly I am inclined to agree with Davo...

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That silence deafens me

Davo99 · Jun 14, 2012

That silence deafens me

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I was trying to say it amazes me we actually agree on something to, but as I'm on my phone all hell ended up breaking loose and I ended up making a huge mess that took 3 deleted posts to clean up!

Davo99 · Jun 14, 2012

hodsgod said:
Moyes, have we sunk that bloody low? What has he achieved? One CL spot and promptly knocked out of the qualification round, and then out of UEFA qualification round. I am not saying Moyes is a bad manager, but I don't see any way that he is an upgrade on Harry. If you finish 4th in our league you ought to get through the group stages, our league is that good.

I would rather have Jol back than Moyes.

Oh dear God. I'm really trying my best now, I'd love to let rip here but I'll probably end up getting myself banned.

InOffMeLeftShin · Jun 14, 2012

kaz Hirai said:
Its ironic, a few of us called this back in spring, that Harry may end up with no job at all by the summer the way he let our form drop so badly.
And lets not forget, it was a really bad run, not just the results but the performances were a disgrace also after the newcastle game.

I'm sad to see Harry go but I very much doubt that he has gone because of such a shortsighted issue (i.e. a bad spell), it is much more likely that he has gone because he doesn't fit with a longsighted vision (Levy's plan to turn us into a self-sufficient, successful behemoth complete with academy, training facility, modern coaching, state of the art stadium etc.)

Eric_s · Jun 14, 2012

Timberwolf said:
It was exactly the same when Jol was sacked; despite our 5th placed finishes in the two seasons prior, tons of fans were ecstatic that we were lumping the big Dutch one for the next big thing from Spain. 1 year, 1 cup and a barrage of god-awful football later and we were bottom of the table.

That said, I severely doubt that Levy will make the same mistake again. He's a shrewd chairman and I have confidence that he'll make a sound appointment this time.

Exactly what were we thinking? Two 5th place and we exchange that with two fourth placing, a cup win and more star players. Levy is clueless.

I think those criticising Levy are indeed clueless. Spurs ascend as a club started when Levy took over as chairman not when Harry becomes manager.

spursontheloose · Jun 14, 2012

It's on the official site now. Looks like he was a stop gap by what levy has said. No mention of a replacement though.

InOffMeLeftShin · Jun 14, 2012

spursontheloose said:
It's on the official site now. Looks like he was a stop gap by what levy has said. No mention of a replacement though.

Again, it does suggest that Levy is back to his vision that he had before. It didn't work out last time but during the time we have had first team success there has been significant off-field developments with the training facilities and stadium development. Now he wants to get a modern coaching structure, fully integrated academy, stronger club direction (as oppose to here and now first team) and a distinct brand of football. He wants us to be able to bring through our own players like Barca or Ajax and mirror their successes in a stadium that will be the envy of all.

L.A. Yiddo · Jun 14, 2012

GONE

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/News/club-announcement-harry-redknapp-14062012.page?

The Club can today announce that Harry Redknapp will be leaving his post as manager.

Chairman Daniel Levy commented, "This is not a decision the Board and I have taken lightly. Harry arrived at the Club at a time when his experience and approach was exactly what was needed. This decision in no way detracts from the excellent work Harry has done during his time with the Club and I should like to thank him for his achievements and contribution. Harry will always be welcome at the Lane."

Harry said, "I have thoroughly enjoyed my time at Spurs and am proud of my achievements. I have had a fantastic four years with the Club, at times the football has been breathtaking. I am sad to be leaving but wish to thank the players, staff and fans for their terrific support during my time there."

thfcsteff · Jun 14, 2012

hodsgod said:
Moyes, have we sunk that bloody low? What has he achieved? One CL spot and promptly knocked out of the qualification round, and then out of UEFA qualification round. I am not saying Moyes is a bad manager, but I don't see any way that he is an upgrade on Harry. If you finish 4th in our league you ought to get through the group stages, our league is that good.

I would rather have Jol back than Moyes.

LOL...read what you wrote. And think about it. If David Moyes had Gareth Bale, Luka Modric and VdV, I'm sure he'd had won that qualifier. We nearly fucking lost to YOUNG BOYS! Who saved us? Bassong and Pav!!!!!!! Harry always sought to lighten the load, thus we didn't really go for the Uefa or CC, even though he didn't actually win anything! Look, I appreciate what he did, but I don't appreciate what he didn't do i.e, keep his fuming focus the last two half-seasons, and didn't appreciate the way he continually fucking protected himself over and over and over-a-fucking-GAIN without EVER coping to ANYTHING!!! And then he tried to insult our intelligence by saying "players need to know the manager's there long term" when he swore in April players didn't give a fuck about that sort of thing, AND ignoring the fact he'd fucking dump us in a heartbeat for a slag with crotchless knickers and a big slab of wedge!!! Come on, he tried it last summer with the whole middle eastern offer (leverage for a pay-rise)...he has himself to blame as much as anybody, but being Harry it will never ever happen! Even this! He could've just taken the year, sworn to do enough to get a three-year extension, put his head done and fucking MADE THINGS HAPPEN...but he knows...he's no dummy...it suits everyone, but Harry won't be gracious, not in his nature...he hates to unpopular.

Ziege · Jun 14, 2012

Davo99 said:
OK Mr. Wise Guy, you want to get all technical and start splitting hairs, fine by me.

It is not 'splitting hairs'. It is a simple fact. Those two things are unique and entirely different. You didn't seem to realize that at all.

Davo99 said:
Point out where I said YOU were the person who said he wasn't good enough. You've just decided that yourself. I've already said I've seen loads of people saying it, so why you have suddenly got all bitchy and defensive is beyond me. Please, point out where I mentioned you "PERSONALLY"...

I never said you did. All I said was that nobody (that I saw) ever said Moyes was a crap coach, only that some thought he was not good enough for Spurs or in my case, that he was not as shrewd a manager as Harry, which is a personal opinion, and just happens to be 'is wrong' (sic) according to you.

Ok. My personal, subjective comparison is 'wrong' based on no proof other than your own personal, subjective comparison.

Davo99 said:
So a person's opinion cannot be wrong? That's a rather interesting and quite honestly very thick to suggest. I could say Alex Ferguson is clueless about football. He clearly isn't but that could be my opinion, yet clearly just plain incorrect and ignorant. So yes, even if it's your opinion, it can be wrong and is wrong.

Opinions can be wrong, but go ahead and prove that Moyes is not as shrewd or cunning as Harry was.

I'll save you the time, you cannot, as it is a personal opinion based on subjective interpretation.

Also, your example is apples and oranges. Fergie is a moron about football vs. I think x coach is better at player relations than Fergie are two entirely different statements and arguments. You are trying to make my statement the former (to prove you 'right' and I am 'wrong') when it was the later - a subjective opinion not based on hard facts.

Nice try.

Davo99 said:
It's funny because in your post there's all sorts of condesending 'Gotchya's and whatever else, but then you come out and show your intelligence by completely missing my point. I was saying it's ridiculous when people criticise Moyes for only getting high mid table, not forgetting a handful of Europa spots and even a top 4 finish, all with absolutely nothing to spend. To not only not understand and appreciate how much of a great job he's done there year in, year out...but to CRITICISE him for it is moronic to put it kindly. That's what I was saying was ridiculous, not the actual concept of judging managers but the gross misjudgement of Moyes. I get the feeling you're not as smart as you evidently think you are...

I like the part where you claim I'm 'condescending', and you you are the one acting like an utter tard, making straw man arguments and trying to 'win' a battle that never existed, all the while telling others how 'ignorant' and 'wrong' they ARE with false examples.

I also never claimed to be 'smart', I just voiced an opinion which you misrepresented, shot down as 'wrong' (classic straw man) and then got all aggressive over. But of course I'm the condescending, ignorant bad guy here.

Jesus.

Davo99 said:
Your last line just about sums you up.

Your entire misrepresentation and militant 'you are WRONG, I am RIGHT' approach sums you up.

Let it go. Have a beer or something, jesus.

KentuckyYid · Jun 14, 2012

I went a complete circle with Arry. When he came I was not impressed, but he got my instant support. He soon won me over and held me as a fan until late last season. It wasn't just the slump, I'd seen that before. It was his lack of tactical nous. Everybody could see it, even he knew it. Add to that the England fiasco, and less so the court case, and going back to that circle, it was being drawn to completion.

In a way I'm relieved he's gone. Not maliciously, just that I think Tottenham need the change. I'm not really sure who I want as the new manager of whose available. I like Moyes but I don't think he'll help us to a new higher level. Top 10 level for sure, but not really challenging. If anyone available is that man then it's probably Capello. He'd be more of a risk than Moyes but if he's a success the returns would be higher...

Just another turn in the Tottenham roller coaster ride. Hold on chaps.

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