Danny Rose - Sunderland

Spursidol · Apr 15, 2013

Sunderland look as if they will finish just below mid table in PL.

Its actually quite an achievement to be first choice LB in a PL team. Sunderland do not have the players to play like Spurs, nor do they adopt the same formations as Spurs or have the same philosophy of playing.

So in reality its pretty much impossible to know for certtain how well Danny Rose would play in Spurs team now - but I imagine he will be involved in Spurs pre-season where it will be easier to see how he fits into the Spurs team. He will certainly be able to play with a lot more confidence after a season playing week in and week out in the PL.

When back at Spurs he should not be judged as a fully matured player but hopefully with signs that he could become a decent one. Pre-season will be the time to consider how he fits into Spurs plans

Spursidol · Apr 15, 2013

Worth hearing how a mid table side view Rose though :

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=774661

A few selected comments after yesterday's match :

'Thanks to Danny Rose
He's not our player and he probs won't be here next season whatever division we're in but boy did he put in a shift today.
He was awesome.
Fast and strong he would not let them pass.
He had that French International full back Debauchery in his back pocket.
Take a Bow, Danny Boy.'

'easily a future England LB, nee chance of signing him imo'
'had the left side marshaled all game and having debeuchy in his pocket was a joy to watch'

'Would be happy to even pay as high as 10 mill for him quality player with age on his side'.

There are 3 or 4 pages of similar positive comments, nobody slagging off his performance. Yes its a lower/mid table PL side, but we bought Bale and others frm lower sides, and he's certainly not the finished article at 22.

If he can fit into the Spurs way of playing its a good result. If he doesn't we have the opportinty to sell him for maybe £5m-£10m plus more based on performance - and I doubt of we will buy better as a back up LB.

Either way (keeping or selling) it would be a good result

Cavehillspur · Apr 15, 2013

He was excellent yesterday.

JUSTINSIGNAL · Apr 15, 2013

Maybe I just have higher expectations of the kind of full back I want playing for the team I support. He has been very vocal about not wanting to be back up next season but for me he is lacking positionally, makes poor decisions on the ball and has limited technique so I don't see him as a being a starting 11 player.

I'm glad that he seems to be performing for Sunderland as it means if we do sell him that he then it will be at a premium but I don't think he should be anywhere near our side.

Spursidol · Apr 15, 2013

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Maybe I just have higher expectations of the kind of full back I want playing for the team I support. He has been very vocal about not wanting to be back up next season but for me he is lacking positionally, makes poor decisions on the ball and has limited technique so I don't see him as a being a starting 11 player.

I'm glad that he seems to be performing for Sunderland as it means if we do sell him that he then it will be at a premium but I don't think he should be anywhere near our side.

I doubt if any player after playing just one season in PL can expect to be automatically in Spurs first team, imo its more likely to be in the squad as a back up, playing maybe 20 times a season (with PL, europe and domestic cups Spurs will be playing 50+ games next season if we are reasonably successful) which would allow AVB to decide how well he really fits into the first team.

JUSTINSIGNAL · Apr 15, 2013

Spursidol said:
I doubt if any player after playing just one season in PL can expect to be automatically in Spurs first team, imo its more likely to be in the squad as a back up, playing maybe 20 times a season (with PL, europe and domestic cups Spurs will be playing 50+ games next season if we are reasonably successful) which would allow AVB to decide how well he really fits into the first team.

As I have already said - he has no intention of being back up for us next season! Read: http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1...-going-back-to-sit-on-tottenham-bench?cc=5739

He is not good enough to start for us so I think he will be moved on. Quite rightfully in my opinion.

Spursidol · Apr 15, 2013

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
As I have already said - he has no intention of being back up for us next season! Read: http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1...-going-back-to-sit-on-tottenham-bench?cc=5739

He is not good enough to start for us so I think he will be moved on. Quite rightfully in my opinion.

Players will often say similar - think he has been delighted to be playing regularly at Sunderland.

As I've kind of hinted before, if he stays he will firstly be tried in pre-season matches with Spurs and assuming he passes that hurdle, be involved in maybe 20 matches - so think lower PL, domestic cups group stages of Europe, where it will not be a big leap from playing sides at a similar level to Sunderland (where he is being played as he is better than other of Sunderkand's options). After that we'll all have a better idea.

Of course if he wants to leave Spurs, then he will be sold or looaned out again if we think he will be worth a lot more with a second PL season under his belt.

But as I've said before, I do not see Spurs getting a lot better LB squad player (choices might even be Naughton and Smith) - other positions ike striker where we need to spend money to strengthen.

C0YS · Apr 16, 2013

He's been better for sunderland then Noughton was for Norwich last year, if it means anything. Also Sunderland fans seem to think that they peronally think they should try and get him even if it costs them £10m-15m. Think he will probably win their player of the season award too. His average pass stat is 79.5% which is higher then BAE's 74%. It would be plain silly to not give him a chance at spurs. Lets not forget when he played fullback for us he was still adapting to the position, he could be a very cheap answer to the LB problem.

beats1 · Apr 16, 2013

AJW said:
17 passes with 41% pass completion. Guess that means 7 passes completed in 90 minutes? Not for me.

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
A team like Sunderland do not look to dominate possession like spurs do. He constantly just played the ball up the line or cleared it into touch.

I think that was because they were playing so deep and clearly when he got the ball he was told to clear it to relieve pressure and the fact that Sunderland had every player back is telling as is the fact that Sunderland made a number of attacks where they only had to stay in their own half to stay onside because every newcastle player bar Elliot/krul was in Sunderlands half

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Looking good for a team relegation is alot different then being effective for a team in the top 6 of the prem.

I would argue that is bollocks as Baines, BAE(in france), Evra(in france), Jose Enrique and Jones all played for relegation quality teams and looked good for both

C0YS said:
He's been better for sunderland then Noughton was for Norwich last year, if it means anything. Also Sunderland fans seem to think that they peronally think they should try and get him even if it costs them £10m-15m. Think he will probably win their player of the season award too. His average pass stat is 79.5% which is higher then BAE's 74%. It would be plain silly to not give him a chance at spurs. Lets not forget when he played fullback for us he was still adapting to the position, he could be a very cheap answer to the LB problem.

We should remember that he was playing as CM/LW for the U21's when he was our LB and even for us he was playing as LW/RW still at the time. This is his first season as a LB and frankly he is doing brilliantly considering that he is pretty much is a rookie

dontcallme · Apr 16, 2013

This is a 22 year old who has played really well for England U21 and getting fantastic write-ups in his 1st season as a left back in the Prem.

Our left back is on his way out.

If we can't give Rose a chance now and try to develop him then I simply don't know why we are bothering with youth players.

Very few young players jump into a top 6 side and excel straight away but we've got to look to develop him now even if he does have flaws (like everyone else).

JUSTINSIGNAL · Apr 16, 2013

dontcallme said:
This is a 22 year old who has played really well for England U21 and getting fantastic write-ups in his 1st season as a left back in the Prem.

Our left back is on his way out.

If we can't give Rose a chance now and try to develop him then I simply don't know why we are bothering with youth players.

Very few young players jump into a top 6 side and excel straight away but we've got to look to develop him now even if he does have flaws (like everyone else).

At the level we are competing we can't afford to give players a chance to develop at the possible expense of results. I have watched Rose play for Spurs, England U21, Team GB and now Sunderland and I have seen nothing to suggest he is good enough now or has the potential to be in the future. Whereas to me Stephen Caulker has throughout his loan spells and appearances for Spurs always seemed like he has the ability to develop into a consistent starter for our team. It's all about a opinions though I guess and this is mine.

Spursidol · Apr 16, 2013

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
At the level we are competing we can't afford to give players a chance to develop at the possible expense of results. I have watched Rose play for Spurs, England U21, Team GB and now Sunderland and I have seen nothing to suggest he is good enough now or has the potential to be in the future. Whereas to me Stephen Caulker has throughout his loan spells and appearances for Spurs always seemed like he has the ability to develop into a consistent starter for our team. It's all about a opinions though I guess and this is mine.

Only Man City and Chelsea have been able to buy every player they need - not sure if they can continue to do so under FFP though.

Fans of every other club, including Spurs, wil need to get used to growing some of their own to maintain a good team under FFP.

This by the way is fact, not opinion

JUSTINSIGNAL · Apr 16, 2013

Spursidol said:
Only Man City and Chelsea have been able to buy every player they need - not sure if they can continue to do so under FFP though.

Fans of every other club, including Spurs, wil need to get used to growing some of their own to maintain a good team under FFP.

This by the way is fact, not opinion

I don't really understand the point you are trying to make. I am saying that I don't think Rose is good enough for us. I am not saying that we shouldn't give youth a chance if they are at the required level, as a explained with my point about Caulker.

Spursidol · Apr 16, 2013

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
I don't really understand the point you are trying to make. I am saying that I don't think Rose is good enough for us. I am not saying that we shouldn't give youth a chance if they are at the required level, as a explained with my point about Caulker.

At the level we are competing we can't afford to give players a chance to develop at the possible expense of results. I have watched Rose play for Spurs, England U21, Team GB and now Sunderland and I have seen nothing to suggest he is good enough now or has the potential to be in the future. Whereas to me Stephen Caulker has throughout his loan spells and appearances for Spurs always seemed like he has the ability to develop into a consistent starter for our team. It's all about a opinions though I guess and this is mine.

Most of your post seemed to be about youth, and we've already discussed Rose, so I replied to the majority of your post, put in bold above. Sorry if we've got crossed wires

ARMASPUR · Apr 16, 2013

To be honest, I think the way we are playing at the minute we couuld make any left back look poor. We don't have a disciplined wide man on the left of midfield that consitently helps our full back. Siggy has a gret work rate but gets pulled into the middle quite a bit leaving the full back very exposed. Walker can count himself lucky that Lennon puts in such a good defensive shift IMO.

dontcallme · Apr 16, 2013

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
At the level we are competing we can't afford to give players a chance to develop at the possible expense of results. I have watched Rose play for Spurs, England U21, Team GB and now Sunderland and I have seen nothing to suggest he is good enough now or has the potential to be in the future. Whereas to me Stephen Caulker has throughout his loan spells and appearances for Spurs always seemed like he has the ability to develop into a consistent starter for our team. It's all about a opinions though I guess and this is mine.

Like you say I guess it comes down to how highly you rate him.

I think he's a good left back with a lot of potential. I don't think our playing him would lead to us dropping many points. Walker has arguably cost us several points this season but I'd rather we stick with him than look for a more experienced, safe players.

I think people can argue that Naughton and Livermore might never be good enough to be starters. They haven't been particularly impressive on loan and are at an age where it's hard to see how they develop into being good enough for a 1st team chance. I can't say the same about Rose.

I could be wrong though, I often am.

mill · Apr 20, 2013

Dowie just said on SSN that he's been outstanding today

Blake Griffin · Apr 20, 2013

danny rose's haters are falling one by one.

Blake Griffin · Apr 20, 2013

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=776462

dontcallme · Apr 20, 2013

Blake Griffin said:
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=776462

One comment from there:

If the club don't go all out to get the lad they need shooting with shit. He fucking loves it here IMO. Pay him top whack, pay what spurs want. It's a long time since I've seen a LB like him in red and white.

Quote:
Originally Posted by xmfd

I'd pay up to about £14m like personally (but it's not my money).

Been our best player all season.
By miles.

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