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AVB or Bale?
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Spurs_Bear
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Great point well argued
Personally I've voted for Bale because we know his impact whereas AVB still has to prove himself in the transfer market to show that he can continue his long term plans for the club.
But is it pathetic for people to think that our manager is more important than one player? Is it pathetic for people to argue that the person overseeing what the club does as a whole may be more important than one player? Is it pathetic for people to argue that a man who has pushed us forward despite losing three of our best players may be more important than one player?
No...it's not.
That's the bit that makes me vote Bale.
dk-yid
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I voted for Bale, but don't see any reason for you to LYFAO at the almost 40% of the voters on here. Clearly that suggests that there is quite a number who believe him very important to our future.
You are obviously entitled to your opinion, but it'd be nice if you would articulate it....
Edit:
Ah, well in that case....
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Personally I agree, and as I said I think AVB needs another season to show that he really has pushed us forward.
But it's certainly not ridiculous that some people may think that AVB is more important in the long term.
dk-yid
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Ageee, in particular because it is extremely probable that we will lose Bale I was tempted to vote for AVB.
Of course this will all be a futile discussion when we win the league next year and both commit themselves to the club for life.
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He has done alright this season, but largely thanks to Bale. Which is why Bale is more important.
Without Bale we would have finished 10 points worse off, and would have left Europe at the Lyon stage. AvB would be a loss but not that considerable.
Can we replace a 80m pound player that dragged us through the second half of the season single handed easier than we can replace a manager who got us 5th.. erm no.
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Surely there's at least an argument to suggest that Bale performed as well as he did in part due to the role that AVB allowed him to play.
I'm just playing devil's advocate, but for what it's worth, I don't think that many managers in the league would have got us to 5th (and only 6 points off 2nd) with the squad we had last season.
dk-yid
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Problem is that we will be forced to part with the 80m player before we are forced to replace the 5th placed manager.
dynamoSpurs
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I'll back up my opinion then.
You lot tell me exactly what AVB does except talk a big game?? I don't think our season was all that great. Look at the results.. Very poor margins and a lot of late, somewhat lucky goals.
Why is Bale more important than AVB? Simply because Bale scored 21 goals in the league alone.. Almost double what our second top scorer (Defoe) got. We were, as everyone has been saying, a one man band last season and that has nothing to do with the supposed tactical genius of AVB.
Unless you lot have solid rationale like AVB mentored Bale or psyched him up so well - our season had nothing to do with AVB and everything to do with Bale.
Put simply:
Would we have finished 5th or higher without AVB? Well we did it the season before without him..
Would we have finished 5th or higher without Bale? Impossible.
You lot tell me exactly what AVB does except talk a big game?? I don't think our season was all that great. Look at the results.. Very poor margins and a lot of late, somewhat lucky goals.
Why is Bale more important than AVB? Simply because Bale scored 21 goals in the league alone.. Almost double what our second top scorer (Defoe) got. We were, as everyone has been saying, a one man band last season and that has nothing to do with the supposed tactical genius of AVB.
Unless you lot have solid rationale like AVB mentored Bale or psyched him up so well - our season had nothing to do with AVB and everything to do with Bale.
Put simply:
Would we have finished 5th or higher without AVB? Well we did it the season before without him..
Would we have finished 5th or higher without Bale? Impossible.
dk-yid
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I agree with this, and think quite a bit of credit must go to a new found resilience which we showed during our good run of form - and naturally also to Bale banging in goals.
One could also argue that Bale blossoming came from AVB accommodating him in a way more suited than before.
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Bold 1) Man Utd have won title upon title relying on late goals, resilience and never say die attitude under Fergie.
Bold 2) Well, Bale didn't say that. He said his goals and form were down to a team effort and working with AVB.
Bold 3) Here I was thinking that was part of a managers job ....
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Was it really that hard to put that rather than just labelling anyone who disagreed with you as 'pathetic'?
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Bold 1) Man Utd have won title upon title relying on late goals, resilience and never say die attitude under Fergie.
- Fair point, but tbh, the late goals were mostly scored by Bale anyway, so further backs up my points.
Bold 2) Well, Bale didn't say that. He said his goals and form were down to a team effort and working with AVB.
- That's just Bale being gentleman-like. That's Bale for you.
Bold 3) Here I was thinking that was part of a managers job ....
- We both know Bale isn't a player (anymore) that needs a manager to show him love to perform. It's like saying Ronaldo wouldn't be as good under a different manager! That's bull and we both know it..
- Fair point, but tbh, the late goals were mostly scored by Bale anyway, so further backs up my points.
Bold 2) Well, Bale didn't say that. He said his goals and form were down to a team effort and working with AVB.
- That's just Bale being gentleman-like. That's Bale for you.
Bold 3) Here I was thinking that was part of a managers job ....
- We both know Bale isn't a player (anymore) that needs a manager to show him love to perform. It's like saying Ronaldo wouldn't be as good under a different manager! That's bull and we both know it..
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So why didn't he score 21 goals in the league the season before?
dynamoSpurs
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Because we had better players then to share the responsibility and therefore Bale didn't need to..
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And you don't think that AVB gets any credit at all for arranging the team so that Bale could score those goals despite having his best players sold?
AVB got a higher points total than we've ever got, with a squad that was almost certainly weaker than the squad we had last season. If you want to put that down just to one player then fine...but I'd argue that is incredibly short-sighted.
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All AVB did to accommodate Bale was to start him and sometimes switch him to a central or opposite side role.. Occasionally this was fruitful and sometimes not.
In any case, Bale was on FIRE all season and I don't think that it's down to AVB at all and tbf Bale carried the rest of the team. There were no other stand out performers for me. Everyone else had a very very average or below average season.
I'm not implyign AVB is a bad manager - i just don't think he's anything special.
dk-yid
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I think that is a MASSIVELY simplistic view of our season but you're obviously not going to be swayed.
As I said, I don't think many managers would have got that squad so close to 2nd place even with Bale in the form he was in.
