Weekend Football 1/2 Feb 2014

markieboy · Feb 3, 2014

Mr Pink said:
They were unbelievably good. Their attacking stars in Willian and Hazard were sensational in terms of their work rate to.

I seriously hope Sherwood was watching that tonight and totally absorbing it. I have no problem with an attacking set up against sides we are expected to beat but in the bigger games he's been negligent - suicide last week against City.

But what fucks me off is we have the players to play like that when needs be - use the muscle we have in our squad, the defensive quality we have and give them a fucking appetite to grab a game by the balls like that. Inject more work rate into all of them, the ones with more attacking responsibility obviously need to be doing it to.

But there has to be an appetite to get on top of the opposition like that. I know we don't possess the same quality all over the park per se...but we do have the midfielder power to get on top of games like that.

We are shit at the back and not that great up front either.

felmani26 · Feb 3, 2014

Mr Pink said:
They were unbelievably good. Their attacking stars in Willian and Hazard were sensational in terms of their work rate to.

I seriously hope Sherwood was watching that tonight and totally absorbing it. I have no problem with an attacking set up against sides we are expected to beat but in the bigger games he's been negligent - suicide last week against City.

But what fucks me off is we have the players to play like that when needs be - use the muscle we have in our squad, the defensive quality we have and give them a fucking appetite to grab a game by the balls like that. Inject more work rate into all of them, the ones with more attacking responsibility obviously need to be doing it to.

But there has to be an appetite to get on top of the opposition like that. I know we don't possess the same quality all over the park per se...but we do have the midfielder power to get on top of games like that.

In fairness, the level of work rate, discipline and team shape doesn't come over night and this is heightened when there's still no discernible system utilised.

We can of course work hard on team ethic and closing down but there's still a chronic lack of intelligence on the pitch.

thinktank · Feb 3, 2014

L.A. Yiddo said:
This bell end not only took time to make this he actually took it out in public.

Not sure about that sign either.

His daughter's like, "yeah, I'm not wiv him".

markieboy · Feb 3, 2014

millsey said:
Bingo. Mourinho is such a good manager, tonight showed what a great coach brings. He gets it spot on almost every time. 2 defensive mids, 4 players in front of them working there ass off and breaking quickly. Defending as a team. Put in Bentalab and Paulinho and they would have got creamed. Its nights like this i have no hope for Sherwood im afraid. Get the best managers and they will win you games

It also helps if you have a billionaire owner who isn't afraid to throw chunks of money at his pet hobby and it also helps that you can pay those players a kings ransom every week.

dagraham · Feb 3, 2014

What impressed me the most was that they managed to be so defensively compact without leaving space in behind and at the same time pressed City high up the pitch when necessary.

And when they broke, they broke quickly and in great numbers.

As others have said, the perfect away performance.

millsey · Feb 3, 2014

markieboy said:
It also helps if you have a billionaire owner who isn't afraid to throw chunks of money at his pet hobby and it also helps that you can pay those players a kings ransom every week.

Very true, but the Chelsea team today cost 156 millon. We spent 100 million in the summer alone. If we had a top manager why cant we compete

gushayes11 · Feb 3, 2014

L.A. Yiddo said:
This bell end not only took time to make this he actually took it out in public.

Not sure about that sign either.

This twat actually looks like a young Allardyce.

Mr Pink · Feb 3, 2014

felmani26 said:
In fairness, the level of work rate, discipline and team shape doesn't come over night and this is heightened when there's still no discernible system utilised.

We can of course work hard on team ethic and closing down but there's still a chronic lack of intelligence on the pitch.

A big part of it is about being flexible and adaptable IMO. Some of the issues won't be solved at the click of a finger but more than anything its about the mind set the manager gives his players. Mourinho's a deep thinker and is all about preparation and attention to detail but he's a master in the phycology of it all.

Sherwood ain't going to be the next Mourinho lol, but he has to learn to be more flexible IMO. Mourinho excels totally excels in that respect as he can approach games very differently.

markieboy · Feb 3, 2014

millsey said:
Very true, but the Chelsea team today cost 156 millon. We spent 100 million in the summer alone. If we had a top manager why cant we compete

Well we should do what Chelsea have done............keep sacking managers until you get the right one.

While we are at it we should also swap to a Trillionaire Arab owner.

dagraham · Feb 3, 2014

Mr Pink said:
A big part of it is about being flexible and adaptable IMO. Some of the issues won't be solved at the click of a finger but more than anything its about the mind set the manager gives his players. Mourinho's a deep thinker and is all about preparation and attention to detail but he's a master in the phycology of it all.

Sherwood ain't going to be the next Mourinho lol, but he has to learn to be more flexible IMO. Mourinho excels totally excels in that respect as he can approach games very differently.

Also not afraid to admit that his starting line up hasn't worked. I don't think I can recall many managers who make such proactive subs so early in a match. Helps if you've got a world class bench to call on though.

XSuicideBunnyX · Feb 3, 2014

dagraham said:
Also not afraid to admit that his starting line up hasn't worked. I don't think I can recall many managers who make such proactive subs so early in a match. Helps if you've got a world class bench to call on though.

AVB.

Although this was more often than not interpreted as 'Why is AVB bringing on X? Why didn't he just start with X?', and the answer is he doesn't have hindsight.

millsey · Feb 3, 2014

markieboy said:
Well we should do what Chelsea have done............keep sacking managers until you get the right one.

While we are at it we should also swap to a Trillionaire Arab owner.

Well we could certainly do with hiring better managers than we have been! Thats a start. Why have a Arab owner? We just spent 100 million quid!

felmani26 · Feb 3, 2014

Mr Pink said:
A big part of it is about being flexible and adaptable IMO. Some of the issues won't be solved at the click of a finger but more than anything its about the mind set the manager gives his players. Mourinho's a deep thinker and is all about preparation and attention to detail but he's a master in the phycology of it all.

Sherwood ain't going to be the next Mourinho lol, but he has to learn to be more flexible IMO. Mourinho excels totally excels in that respect as he can approach games very differently.

It's also getting out of the mindset of having an ideal 'best 11' and looking at it more along the lines of 'best 11 to combat this opponent'.

Players also have to completely buy into the managers philosophy and maintain the commitment regardless of where they are deployed.

DEFchenkOE · Feb 3, 2014

Mr Pink said:
Its a very good question, and one that we all probably know the answer to unfortunately.

But it really makes you think how much more our players could work and fight a hell of a lot more for the collective cause.

There's no way Mourinho would ever stand for players like Lennon/Sig to name a few just coasting through games and going through the motions. They're not the only guilty ones as Ade (mainly last season), Soldado, Defoe, Eriksen all have been guilty of coasting. Jose just doesn't stand for it, and he has the trophies and winning mentality that just commands the instant respect of the majority of players. Too many of our players have it too easy.

dagraham · Feb 3, 2014

XSuicideBunnyX said:
AVB.

Although this was more often than not interpreted as 'Why is AVB bringing on X? Why didn't he just start with X?', and the answer is he doesn't have hindsight.

I don't recall Avb ever doing that. He normally wouldn't make a sub until 15 mins before the end.

Mr Pink · Feb 3, 2014

felmani26 said:
It's also getting out of the mindset of having an ideal 'best 11' and looking at it more along the lines of 'best 11 to combat this opponent'.

Players also have to completely buy into the managers philosophy and maintain the commitment regardless of where they are deployed.

Yeah absolutely.

XSuicideBunnyX · Feb 3, 2014

dagraham said:
I don't recall Avb ever doing that. He normally wouldn't make a sub until 15 mins before the end.

At least two games, he's hauled people off at half-time because nothing was working. Although tbh his original team line-ups often looked slightly bizarre to me, so maybe he just noticed 45 minutes later.

RButch · Feb 3, 2014

millsey said:
Very true, but the Chelsea team today cost 156 millon. We spent 100 million in the summer alone. If we had a top manager why cant we compete

Diego Simeone
Jurgen Klopp

Would be the two I would go after and pay biggggg for them and back them to the hills. Very gettable when you think Madrid will sell some players in the summer and desperately need the money, Klopps losing players and is on fairly low wages.

Shadydan · Feb 4, 2014

@RButch

Not sure why either of those managers would leave for Spurs

Spurger King · Feb 4, 2014

Shadydan said:
Not sure why either of those managers would leave for Spurs

Especially when there will probably be a vacant seat at Old Trafford.

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