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Mr Pink

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etchedchaos said:
Or perhaps the compensation isn't an issue but he's delaying because he wants to actually talk to FdB who right now is in Asia, before he pulls the trigger on the new manager.
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That I have no problem with even though my preference is definitely Pochettino. What I would struggle with is not going for Pochettino because of the financial cost. Its not like its going to be titanic.

If we're confident he's our man and we're really keen to appoint him then surely to God the finances can be sorted out. That's not to say we should be cavalier, never Levy's style and for good reason, but the desire ought to be there if we're content that he's our man.

If we pull out because of the cost it just indicates to me more indecision. This appointment is simply massive, and whilst we need to sort out the best deal for the Club, it really should be secondary in this instance.
 
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millsey said:
Do you think the players play for free? Our wage bill is over 90 million alone!
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The club is not just run on tv/media money...your forgetting matchdays, season tickets, prize money, transfers..and so on...£90m was just tv/media for 2013/2014 now add on the rest!!!
 
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Japhet said:

Always amazes me how people say stuff like 'it's only a few million - just pay it'.
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Because appointing the right manager could save you millions.

Nobody means its nothing, everything is relative of course, but in the sense of pulling out over who you believe to be the best man for the job and its pretty crazy to be honest.
 
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Mr Pink said:
if fdb is first choice, and he made the comments he was interested a few weeks ago, whats the hold up? bit perplexing that
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I suspect we are waiting until the end of the season to see if any other managers get sacked or leave their clubs.
 
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xtrac said:
The club is not just run on tv/media money...your forgetting matchdays, season tickets, prize money, transfers..and so on...£90m was just tv/media for 2013/2014 now add on the rest!!!
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To be fair wages aren't our only costs.
 
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LEVY AND BOARD MEMBERS HAVE BEEN SPOTTED HAVING TALK WITH RAFA BENITEZ.
Apparently they would like 3 gazpacho, 4 tortillas, 4 paellas, a side order of croquetas and 2 bottles of Rioja Reserva 2010 vintage.
 
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Lilbaz said:
To be fair wages aren't our only costs.
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to be fare 2012/2013 season we only spent the Bale money in transfers, id like to see what we brought in that year in revenue, think the main point is all these managers are getting a contract on x amount plus compensation, then they get a pay off when sacked!!! not really cost effective is it.
 
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xtrac said:
The club is not just run on tv/media money...your forgetting matchdays, season tickets, prize money, transfers..and so on...£90m was just tv/media for 2013/2014 now add on the rest!!!
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We actually received 70 million from tv rights this year
 
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A "riot" is admittedly exaggeration and I'm sure you knew that, but I think the time has come for them to pick someone and give that man sufficient time. They've invested far too much at this point to do otherwise, and the fans know it, and I think patience would run exceedingly dry if the board picks a new guy with obvious weaknesses and those weaknesses are the cause of his premature downfall (ie Poch letting us slip late in games or de Boer getting consistently and easily out-maneuvered by more experienced coaches).
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Define 'sufficient time'. Should Ramos have been given more time? Should Gross? Do you think the fans would have stood for it had Levy given Sherwood another season? Of course you don't. Yet, despite his inexperience leading him—all too predictably—to make some inexplicable tactical decisions and bizarre selections, he averaged almost two points per game; enough, you'd think, for him to have been given a full season to see if he could learn from those mistakes—but the majority of fans simply wouldn't have worn this, and this was almost certainly a factor in Levy's decision.

If the 'obvious weaknesses' lead to our shiny new manager's downfall, the fans will be calling for his head well in advance of his dismissal. Martin Jol was, with the possible exception of Venables before things turned sour, the most popular manager since KB, but plenty of fans felt he wasn't the man to take us to the next level; Harry was the best league manager we've had since Sir Bill himself, but plenty of fans hated him and still refuse to give him credit for his achievement. And really, it's highly unlikely that anyone we appoint will make us a member of the CL club. There are
five clubs with turnovers massively larger than ours, so barring one of them having a major hiccup—as Liverpool did in the wake of Benitez' meltdown, and Untied have this season—we're not going to get a look-in. They can pay more for players, pay them more, and offer them CL. The idea that any manager—even van Gaal—will be able to overcome this is cloud-cuckoo land.
 
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Sum Monsterism said:
I didn't forget nothing bro! was just highlighting the wrongly quoted TV figure.
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to be fare ive read 3 different sums from 3 different sources.

all in or around the £89/ £90m figure, deffinately not £70n as you rightly pointed out. (y)
 
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C-oops said:
I remember watching the four year plan documentary about qpr... Bernie ecclestone was complaining about spending too much on sports energy drinks... Businessmen watch every penny they spend.
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A guy I used to work for in the 70s told me that one of the millionaire businessmen of the time—Lord something, his name eludes me for the moment—insisted on paperclips and pencils being accounted for.
 
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SpurSince57 said:
Define 'sufficient time'. Should Ramos have been given more time? Should Gross? Do you think the fans would have stood for it had Levy given Sherwood another season? Of course you don't. Yet, despite his inexperience leading him—all too predictably—to make some inexplicable tactical decisions and bizarre selections, he averaged almost two points per game; enough, you'd think, for him to have been given a full season to see if he could learn from those mistakes—but the majority of fans simply wouldn't have worn this, and this was almost certainly a factor in Levy's decision.

If the 'obvious weaknesses' lead to our shiny new manager's downfall, the fans will be calling for his head well in advance of his dismissal. Martin Jol was, with the possible exception of Venables before things turned sour, the most popular manager since KB, but plenty of fans felt he wasn't the man to take us to the next level; Harry was the best league manager we've had since Sir Bill himself, but plenty of fans hated him and still refuse to give him credit for his achievement. And really, it's highly unlikely that anyone we appoint will make us a member of the CL club. There are
five clubs with turnovers massively larger than ours, so barring one of them having a major hiccup—as Liverpool did in the wake of Benitez' meltdown, and Untied have this season—we're not going to get a look-in. They can pay more for players, pay them more, and offer them CL. The idea that any manager—even van Gaal—will be able to overcome this is cloud-cuckoo land.
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Whilst I agree with the gist of this, I do think with the right manager and set up we can close that gap a bit that can put us in a position, from time to time, to capitalise. It won't happen every season of course (getting seriously close), but the fact of the matter is we have been in and around it for the last 5 years or so.

The problem I think we have, which is the main point you're making, is that we won't give a manager the time he'll need to make some of those gains up.
 
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SpurSince57 said:
Define 'sufficient time'. Should Ramos have been given more time? Should Gross? Do you think the fans would have stood for it had Levy given Sherwood another season? Of course you don't. Yet, despite his inexperience leading him—all too predictably—to make some inexplicable tactical decisions and bizarre selections, he averaged almost two points per game; enough, you'd think, for him to have been given a full season to see if he could learn from those mistakes—but the majority of fans simply wouldn't have worn this, and this was almost certainly a factor in Levy's decision.

If the 'obvious weaknesses' lead to our shiny new manager's downfall, the fans will be calling for his head well in advance of his dismissal. Martin Jol was, with the possible exception of Venables before things turned sour, the most popular manager since KB, but plenty of fans felt he wasn't the man to take us to the next level; Harry was the best league manager we've had since Sir Bill himself, but plenty of fans hated him and still refuse to give him credit for his achievement. And really, it's highly unlikely that anyone we appoint will make us a member of the CL club. There are
five clubs with turnovers massively larger than ours, so barring one of them having a major hiccup—as Liverpool did in the wake of Benitez' meltdown, and Untied have this season—we're not going to get a look-in. They can pay more for players, pay them more, and offer them CL. The idea that any manager—even van Gaal—will be able to overcome this is cloud-cuckoo land.
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Really?
We've got 4th twice before, why not again?
Personally I don't think our squad is that far behind the top 4.
Couple of additions, left back being the major one, with a decent manager I think we will be there or there abouts next season.
Those who think money is everything are deluded themselves.
 
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