I think in some games it could work but not against big physical teams that would outnumber us in midfield. I think we have the squad to play lots of different ways and I hope Pochettino tweaks the squad on a game by game basis..
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I think in some games it could work but not against big physical teams that would outnumber us in midfield. I think we have the squad to play lots of different ways and I hope Pochettino tweaks the squad on a game by game basis..
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My theory is that PAULINHO is a very strange case.
Due to a mix of bad things over the past year (some rightfully attributed to him) I believe he is in a long term situation of wrong place, wrong time that has built an incredible amount of fatigue.
Paulinho is NOT a player that will turn a bad team into a good one, he's a player that can turn a good midfield into a great midfield--but it's absolutely dependent on his surroundings.
1. Confederation Cup: One of the best looking Brazil sides we've seen in years, Paulinho at the middle of it.
2. Move to a new continent, have the usual will-change-Spurs-football-via-flair expectations put upon him, and try to get acclimated to the roller coaster shit show that was AVB's last fall. Often playing Paulinho as a holding midfielder in one of the most physical leagues in the world.
3. Cue stooge #2, Sherwood, who (most likely by accident) plays him in an more advanced box to box role in Paulinho's first game and wah-la: http://goo.gl/HEuFai
3b. In that very same game stooge #3, Charlie Adams (of course), puts in an awful tackle damaging his ankle ligaments, forcing him out for a month.
4. By the time Paulinho returns, it's probably safe to say the locker room is lost with a clown at the helm and players like Verts and Lloris salivating over their possible destinations. There were some unacceptably bad attitudes last season but it's hard to blame them for not staying motivated during a widely accepted throwaway season when the World Cup you want to be 100% for is right around the corner.
5. World Cup: This is where I realized the "not bad team into a good team, but good midfield into a great midfield" comment. We all saw BRA v GER. And even in the games they won, they often only snuck by. Frankly, I think Croatia should have gone through, but they weren't the host side. There was hardly a single player on that squad that didn't look dreadful for the entire tournament, Paulinho included.
6. That's a solid year of football at the highest level; a psychological and emotional roller coaster plus an injury in the middle of it.
Paulinho is not the toughest, most resilient player in the world. That doesn't mean he doesn't have the potential to be excellent. With the right coach, a system to know what the hell he should be doing, enough time to regain full fitness (I'm talking months) and most importantly his confidence restored, he has the potential to be a world class box-to-box mid. And when I say his performances depend on his surroundings, that isn't in a "true for all players" sort of way. Bale, Adebayor, Eriksen, Walker, Dembele, (and now Dier) etc. are all players who have had excellent performances when those around them had poor games. Paulinho may never be that way, but Poch's system at its best relies on strong team performances and he could and should strive to be at the core of that.
Due to a mix of bad things over the past year (some rightfully attributed to him) I believe he is in a long term situation of wrong place, wrong time that has built an incredible amount of fatigue.
Paulinho is NOT a player that will turn a bad team into a good one, he's a player that can turn a good midfield into a great midfield--but it's absolutely dependent on his surroundings.
1. Confederation Cup: One of the best looking Brazil sides we've seen in years, Paulinho at the middle of it.
2. Move to a new continent, have the usual will-change-Spurs-football-via-flair expectations put upon him, and try to get acclimated to the roller coaster shit show that was AVB's last fall. Often playing Paulinho as a holding midfielder in one of the most physical leagues in the world.
3. Cue stooge #2, Sherwood, who (most likely by accident) plays him in an more advanced box to box role in Paulinho's first game and wah-la: http://goo.gl/HEuFai
3b. In that very same game stooge #3, Charlie Adams (of course), puts in an awful tackle damaging his ankle ligaments, forcing him out for a month.
4. By the time Paulinho returns, it's probably safe to say the locker room is lost with a clown at the helm and players like Verts and Lloris salivating over their possible destinations. There were some unacceptably bad attitudes last season but it's hard to blame them for not staying motivated during a widely accepted throwaway season when the World Cup you want to be 100% for is right around the corner.
5. World Cup: This is where I realized the "not bad team into a good team, but good midfield into a great midfield" comment. We all saw BRA v GER. And even in the games they won, they often only snuck by. Frankly, I think Croatia should have gone through, but they weren't the host side. There was hardly a single player on that squad that didn't look dreadful for the entire tournament, Paulinho included.
6. That's a solid year of football at the highest level; a psychological and emotional roller coaster plus an injury in the middle of it.
Paulinho is not the toughest, most resilient player in the world. That doesn't mean he doesn't have the potential to be excellent. With the right coach, a system to know what the hell he should be doing, enough time to regain full fitness (I'm talking months) and most importantly his confidence restored, he has the potential to be a world class box-to-box mid. And when I say his performances depend on his surroundings, that isn't in a "true for all players" sort of way. Bale, Adebayor, Eriksen, Walker, Dembele, (and now Dier) etc. are all players who have had excellent performances when those around them had poor games. Paulinho may never be that way, but Poch's system at its best relies on strong team performances and he could and should strive to be at the core of that.
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I'd like to see him loaned out. A good loan could rejuvenate him or increase his value. We don't have the room to accommodate him as the attacking midfielder and we have more suitable options for the two deeper midfield positions.
I think he could be useful but not as a DM I see him more in the Frank Lampard mould.. He scored 6 league last season without being very good. He can definitely do a job when we need a more running game with player who can drift into the box to get on the end of things.. Personally I would keep him
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I agree mate with what you have said. I really believe that Paulinho is another that has been targeted a bit unfairly. He has had some poor games granted, but there are mitigating circumstances as to why that might have been. Need to look at how he performs in Poch's system first. I firmly believe there is a player in there that has the tools to do, not just a job for us, but a good job for us. I think most view the fee and make unrealistic assumptions. Watching Lamela right now is evident enough of how players need time, and Paulinho is no exception.
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Would you play him in the CM 2 next to a DM or in the 3 behind the striker? I have nothing against Paulinho and think he would come good under Poch, but I'm just not sure he fits and we have too man CM's at the moment and need to get rid of some even if we don't bring in MS.
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I agree, which is why I think he should be one of the Cm's that makes way, leaving us with:
Capoue
Sandro or Schneiderlin
Dembele
Bentaleb
Mason
Veljkovic
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So would I and there is no doubt about it, he's a massive goal threat.
Just intrigued to see how Poch's uses him because on the face of it he's not really suited to the number ten spot...and hasn't always looked great in the 'two'.
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Agreed to a point, think he looked good away to Citeh in the AM 3.
He has looked lazy in the CM, I just wonder if its because he's not had a break for 2 years?
Interesting one for MP, especially in MS comes in, because he looks like a nailed on starter.
I think Paul will used in the AM 3 especially if AT goes the other way.
Im hoping Paul suprises a few and gives MP a selection headache.
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Id rather Paul be given just as much chance as everyone else, we have seen from last season that he is a good player, he got knackered in December after not having a summer break, the 2 week break after getting his red card did him a world of good, when he came back against stoke he was easily the best player on the pitch, only for Charlie **** Adam to hack him down and put him out of action for over 4 weeks and I don't think he fully recovered from that injury last season.
There is a good player in Paulinho and I hope Poch gives him a chance.
There is a good player in Paulinho and I hope Poch gives him a chance.
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He has not made Dunga's Brazil squad (cut along with Marcelo and Alves). Strangely, this is excellent news.
Doesn't have to fatigue himself with international matches, has to prove himself to get back into the squad, and no more "saving it for Brazil" attitude.
Doesn't have to fatigue himself with international matches, has to prove himself to get back into the squad, and no more "saving it for Brazil" attitude.
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It's not so much a question of ability, for me anyway, it's more a question of style and work ethic. I'm not sure his abilities fit our style and I'm not sure he has the necessary work/team ethic. Of course only time will tell and hopefully Pochettino can use him, but if he can't (and I would have thought he might have a fair idea by now) I would hope we can sell him now before his value declines further through lack of action.
HappySpur
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Honestly, I think Paulinho will blossom under Pochetinno. And while me might have offers, I doubt we are taking them serious. He has a brilliant attitude, a bit of versatility and the engine to be part of MP's pressing style.
I think we need to give all of the players from last summer a little more time. Last year was nuts and that should be taken into account.
I think we need to give all of the players from last summer a little more time. Last year was nuts and that should be taken into account.
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I honestly don't know what to think about him
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Don't rate him, can't pass or defend well enough IMO. He would maybe be ok in AM position but we have better players there and he doesn't have a final pass anyway. Don't think he is good enough to start and his value will only drop so it would be good to sell him now (think he would be ok in slower paced league like Seria A). If he stays, I hope he proves me wrong and becomes a beast like in that game versus Stoke.
