Its all well and good saying he should have been given more time but im pretty certain he walked as much as being pushed.
Taking aside that nonsense about him not trying to play progressive/positive football (just because it hadn't been achieved yet doesn't mean it wasn't being tried), we're talking here about a bunch of so called fans who were already creating a negative atmosphere for the new management before the third game of the season had even been finished (the transfers market hadn't even closed if I remember correctly), and all that moaning was probably ignited by us been unlucky on the previous two games by receiving late goals from Newcastle and West Brom (something AVB actually corrected as the season went on). So that leaves me with only either of two conclusions to be reached:
a. The fans at the Lane are clearly irrational people who lack the slightest bit of sensitivity to understand that any new management requires some time to get things right.
or, what I think the real situation actually was:
b. The fans at the Lane wanted AVB out from the very first moment and were simply unwilling to give him a chance.
I'm still not convinced by that, he had a reputation in tatters after the Chelsea debacle, another sacking wouldn't have gone down well but there has been little apart from gossip to say he walked as much as was pushed.
Other than the official announcement from the club saying an agreement has been reached with AVB for his departure?
Wasn't it an agreement has been reached to terminate his contract? Then also said something along the lines of "We didn't want to have to make a change mid-season, but we owe the players a head coach that will get the begs out of them..."
The guy was barbecued.
Yes but he didn't have to agree, he could have just said "no fire me".
I'm not sure about the second quotation. When he first left, it was just by mutual consent.
I’m not being obtuse for the sake of it. I honestly think there was more to it than “come into my office…you’re fired”. I think AVB had thrown the towel into some extent and burnt a lot of bridges by his own conduct. Jol, Ramos, Hoddle and Redknapp were all fired (I believe). There was no doubt publically about that. If AVB was too, why would it be more ambiguous?
This is from the official site a week after AVB left, I think anything else is a play on words to be honest.
"We were extremely reluctant to make a change mid-season, but felt we had to do so in the Club's best interests.
"We have a great squad and we owe them a Head Coach who will bring out the best in them and allow them to flourish and enjoy a strong, exciting finish to the season."
Whether you believe he walked or if it was mutual, the bit in bold tells a far greater story.
Or
c. Fans want to be entertained and it's a natural reaction to vent frustration.
The problem with your argument is that it's bordering on paranoia, you've turned this into an AVB vs sc thing with your ludicrous defence of the man and you're unwilling to accept any criticism when it's there for all to see...In fact you've become a parody of him picking up his stubborn characteristics and bending the truth to suit your arguments.
The reaction has nothing to do with AVB, bottom line is fans pay their money to be entertained which is why Utd fans got tired of Moyes-ball, City fans didn't like Mancini in his first season because he was defensive, same with Allardyce at West Ham (the fans were booing last season because the football was crap) Arsenal fans get on Wenger's back for them playing poor football...happens in Germany, France, Spain etc....happens everywhere. The booing however I don't agree with as it's counter-productive but I can understand the moaning especially when we had something like 7 home goals (3 pens) up until November, surely you can see something is wrong there?
You're defense of the man is bordering on embarrassing and obsessional and for someone who has openly admitted that they haven't even been to WHL you're calling out arguments as nonsense is actually laughable , I went to the Swansea and Norwich matches at home last season where we looked competent and we played attacking football, I didn't hear much moaning then, the fans were incredibly responsive and vocal to the team because we looked a cohesive team with a plan who were by and large creating chances. We started to get found out and by the time we played Hull we looked a completely different team devoid of ideas or creativity, this is the game when AVB called out the fans for not getting behind the team - he was right however a smart man would have worked out that the fans didn't like the football being played which was dour and crap.
Bottom line is to say that the fans didn't give the manager time is rubbish to say that there was clear signs of progress is total crap seeing as he reverted to the same formation and tactics from the City thrashing after he changed it up for the Fulham, Utd and Sunderland games when we created more chances and lo and behold we scored 6 goals in those games yet he reverted to type in the Liverpool game where we were thrashed again...shock.
All we got was six months of complete insanity.we gained nothing by sacking him when we did. Simple.
1. Do you enjoy pain?- I enjoyed around 50% to 70% of the matches we played under him .
And we have a winner...It really was devestatingly dull and insipid watching his team and tactics and as a club (including fans), I'm not sure we've recovered from it yet.
We lost nothing either...we gained nothing by sacking him when we did. Simple.
I take your point but we did get an amazing sequence of results at the start of last season despite playing possibly the worst football I have ever seen good footballers play.AVB was propped up by G.B.
When one went so did the other.
Yes but he didn't have to agree, he could have just said "no fire me".
I'm not sure about the second quotation. When he first left, it was just by mutual consent.
I’m not being obtuse for the sake of it. I honestly think there was more to it than “come into my office…you’re fired”. I think AVB had thrown the towel into some extent and burnt a lot of bridges by his own conduct. Jol, Ramos, Hoddle and Redknapp were all fired (I believe). There was no doubt publically about that. If AVB was too, why would it be more ambiguous?
I also think this one was mutual consent.
Yeah there were a couple of shots on the TV cameras during the second half of the Liverpool game and AVB did look an absolutely broken man on the touchline, as if he just didn't know how it was happening (again) nor how to deal with it all.
I'd hazard a guess that after the game Levy wanted to know what changes could be made to get us scoring/avert thrashings against rival teams, AVB didn't offer satisfactory answers and probably didn't want to change approach - I'd imagine a refusal to consider using the highest paid player at the club, a centre forward, was one thing for example. One side probably then gave off the impression that without changes they weren't happy going forward, the other side said that going forward they weren't prepared to change things... And the split was done.
I prefer to believe the rumours that he had alienated everyone at the club, there's as much in them as there is this whole mutual consent thing. It's widely reported by news/radio/TV that he was sacked. If he wasn't, I would imagine him or his legal side would be keen to correct it. But nobody ever does.