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Paul Mitchell Joins Tottenham

Kendall

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It would be just like Spurs to hire two people from Southampton and for it to turn out that neither of them had much to do with their success in team building.
 

EQP

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Benni was a good signing, just a shame about his hair do

did anyone else notice he always played better when he tied the mop up?

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wow, you might be onto something.
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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I read a few days ago that 2 of Southamptons youth coaches have just left the club, Jason Dodd and I cant remember the other ones name, Could be linked?
 

HappySpur

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Well it would seem to me that we can get their manager, recruiter, players, tea-lady (long love Doris), yet it remains rather doubtful that it would provide the needed fix.

They system is broken.....this is what Pochetinno has already figured out and what most of us understood as far back as Jol. Bale was the band-aid that covered up this wound but now it's more evident.

We have to fix the system (players, supporters, management). And he has to allow it to be fixed. And I don't think Levy is himself the problem, but he is part of the problem in that he is stopping the issues from being addressed. He needs to allow for the change that is necessary. As do we. It might mean he loses some money and we take a step backwards for a bit, but we're doing both of those now.
 

Mr Pink

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Im sorry but I don't buy this for second. This is just blind faith, because he worked with him before doesnt he is the best person to work with him

Look at his signings under Poch:
Lovren - £8.5m
Wanyama - £12.5m
Osvaldo - £15m
Forren - undisclosed fee

Lovren was a great signing and Wanyama is an okay signing but the other 2 were bad signings though Osvaldo was probably a Poochie signing

As for Paul Mitchell's performance, he hasn't been great either imo. Here have been some of his duds
Ramirez - £12m - terrible signing for a promoted team
Mayuka - Poor
Lee - again poor
Falque - brought in a player the manager didn't want


Even this season his signing haven't been great imo but he got in the players koeman wanted in Pelle and Tadic(probably the best player in Eredivisie for the past 2/3 season). Tadic is a funny one because we should of signed and Twente fans at the time were happy we signed Chadli, as Tadic was their most important player

Its not blind faith though and you're missing the point I'm making. I'm not saying the signings they made were really successful, IMO they were mostly good fits and one or two were definitely successful.

The point I'm making is that if they share similar opinions, and Poch is said to trust his judgement, then that can only be a good thing for our long term recruitment strategies as opposed to the present set up - God knows what exactly that is.

I wasn't heralding what they had done exactly. The pertinent point is that people are pulling in the same direction, and that can only be a good thing.
 
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Spursidol

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Ahh ok, why did they get fired out of interest?

Papers reported that the duo did not spend enough time wuth the u16's.

I'd suggest that its possibly more to do with a new head of acdemy and a 'power struggle' or personality clashes. Incidentally the Southamoton Academy is very good but has changed its coaches/management multiple times so these guys had nothing to do with Bale for example but did relate to Shaw for example
 

ItsBoris

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Well it would seem to me that we can get their manager, recruiter, players, tea-lady (long love Doris), yet it remains rather doubtful that it would provide the needed fix.

They system is broken.....this is what Pochetinno has already figured out and what most of us understood as far back as Jol. Bale was the band-aid that covered up this wound but now it's more evident.

We have to fix the system (players, supporters, management). And he has to allow it to be fixed. And I don't think Levy is himself the problem, but he is part of the problem in that he is stopping the issues from being addressed. He needs to allow for the change that is necessary. As do we. It might mean he loses some money and we take a step backwards for a bit, but we're doing both of those now.

What does that mean? You say that Levy's not the problem, but every problem that we currently have derives from his decisions. He's getting too much wrong and too little right. That makes him precisely the problem.

He's dismantled our scouting system, he's sold our best players and bought useless ones in their place (probably because we don't have a scouting system that effectively identifies good players), he's avoided any investment in the team (under the guise sometimes of investing in the stadium, which hasn't happened). I don't see how a chairman can have much worse of a record.
 

SpurSince57

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I honestly believe our scouting system is what really needs a complete overhaul

when was the last time we really found a gem, that wasn't already in the spotlight?

Possibly Stambouli. Apparently Bielsa publicly aped out at the Marseille president when we signed him. That's got to be a recommendation.
 

ItsBoris

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Possibly Stambouli. Apparently Bielsa publicly aped out at the Marseille president when we signed him. That's got to be a recommendation.

Doesn't seem like Poch rates him that highly as he's not even getting in PL squads.

Thanks for the dislike btw, lol.
 

SpurSince57

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Doesn't seem like Poch rates him that highly as he's not even getting in PL squads.

Thanks for the dislike btw, lol.

Sorry about that. Since I upgraded my system software my trackpad's gone ultra-sensitive. I just have to brush over buttons to trigger them.
 
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spursfan77

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I read a few days ago that 2 of Southamptons youth coaches have just left the club, Jason Dodd and I cant remember the other ones name, Could be linked?

That was towards the end of last season.

Edit: sorry. Seen it's already been discussed
 

HappySpur

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Jan 7, 2012
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What does that mean? You say that Levy's not the problem, but every problem that we currently have derives from his decisions. He's getting too much wrong and too little right. That makes him precisely the problem.

He's dismantled our scouting system, he's sold our best players and bought useless ones in their place (probably because we don't have a scouting system that effectively identifies good players), he's avoided any investment in the team (under the guise sometimes of investing in the stadium, which hasn't happened). I don't see how a chairman can have much worse of a record.


He may well be the only problem. I'm being honest enough to say that I can't tell for sure if he's the source.

After all, this club has been a fucking mess since Burkinshaw left uttering his now infamous statement. The cancer eating away at us predates Levy. He hasn't made it better, but I'm not so sure he's the main one to blame. I go as far as to say that Levy is way less culpable than the supposed supporters. We are worse for the club than he is with our shitty attitudes, scapegoating and finding a way to hate everyone associated to the club. Fuck.....half of our "fans" don't even give a shit about THFC.....they're only here to hate Chelsea and Arsenal.
 

beats1

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Its not blind faith though and you're missing the point I'm making. I'm not saying the signings they made were really successful, IMO they were mostly good fits and one or two were definitely successful.

The point I'm making is that if they share similar opinions, and Poch is said to trust his judgement, then that can only be a good thing for our long term recruitment strategies as opposed to the present set up - God knows what exactly that is.

I wasn't heralding what they had done exactly. The pertinent point is that people are pulling in the same direction, and that can only be a good thing.
The point is other than Lovren, they weren't successful

The point was that there is no evidence they have a good working relationship, 2 of the 4 signings were very bad resulting in a huge loss on a £15m investment. They are also unlikely to recoup the transfer fee for wanyama as well.

The team that was great for poch wasn't provided by Paul Mitchell. Their success is based on the fact they already had these players before Poch joined:
Lallana
Ward-Prowse
Lambert
Clyne
Rodriguez
Schneiderlin
Chambers
Shaw

Poch never had to build a team at Southampton, if anything we should get nigel adkins to develop a team for Poch
 
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