Paul Mitchell Joins Tottenham

[mpickard2087]

Regardless of whether he is 'good' or not, he's just one individual. As the comments out of Southampton say, its a team effort and whilst they would prefer to keep him they have 10 others doing that work also, and life goes on...

That's what our club needs to do, we need to build a structure/system and not pick out one individual to poach and expect them to work miracles and improve things singlehandedly.

 

[JaySpur]

Sorry if already posted but saw this vid (6:20 - 10:20) about Mitchell and the Saints scouting/analytic team including a black box.



There is also an article in the ECHO about some of the same stuff;

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/11582234.display/

Thanks for that dk.

It would be interesting to see how it compares to the set-up we have currently.

 

[Dean]

According to the BBC

"He will be responsible for identifying new talent at Spurs following a busy summer of recruitment with Southampton after they lost key players.
Among the players Saints brought in were Graziano Pelle, Dusan Tadic, Sadio Mane and Toby Alderweireld."

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30082201.app

Guessing he was not solely responsible, but he must have had a pretty big hand in it.

I'd have Pelle at Spurs in a heartbeat right now.

 

[weststandvoice]

According to the BBC

"He will be responsible for identifying new talent at Spurs following a busy summer of recruitment with Southampton after they lost key players.
Among the players Saints brought in were Graziano Pelle, Dusan Tadic, Sadio Mane and Toby Alderweireld."

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30082201.app

Guessing he was not solely responsible, but he must have had a pretty big hand in it.

I'd have Pelle at Spurs in a heartbeat right now.

Why ruin a perfectly nice career?

 

[beats1]

Meh. What do we do if our results don't pick up, Levy sacks Poch then hires Pulis or some other mug who doesn't like this geez?

He'll be in exactly the same position Poch is in now with Baldini.

And so the BS continues.

By all accounts, this guy sounds really medicore, like a lot of POch's transfer targets (Fazio, Osvaldo etc etc)

Even Lovren, who was good at Southampton is one of the worst defenders in the league at the moment.

Maybe he was so good because of Poch, or maybe he's not good enough to deal with the added pressure of playing for a far bigger club

What position is poch with baldini, Baldini isn't a head scout ffs

 

[E17yid]

What position is poch with baldini, Baldini isn't a head scout ffs

He's in the position where he has players that he doesn't want.

The same position our next manager will be in with this Mitchell guy

 

[tototoner]

If he is as good as everyone thinks I'd start him up front alongside Kane against Hull

 

[jolsnogross]

We're basically buying Southampton's approach, which is fine as long as it works. But it again highlights how we have no culture of logical and sensible decision-making at our club. We have to go and buy theirs to try and emulate it. The likes of Southampton and Swansea are better organized and seem to remain stable despite changes in personnel.

I'd be interested in why Mitchell is considered so 'highly rated'. I had a quick look around and didn't find anything, but maybe hte video above will help. It seems ludicrous that Mitchell was a key factor in identifying and signing Pelle and Tadic, given Koeman's recent work in the Eredivisie. He only started this line of work in 2010, and was hired by the Saints in 2012....so where's the beef?

The winter window will be informative. If it has been decided that the current players aren't good enough, that Poch can't coach this team to improve, and that Poch is to be given time and resources to sort it out, then that's fine and the DoF approach should be permanently binned. It's raison d'etre is that we don't turn the squad over every time we hire a new head coach. Basically sack Baldini and have the scouting network report to Poch. I'd be happy with that and then Poch will either succeed or fail, but we'll keep the structure for the next guy if it's the latter.

If we're keeping the DoF, then you'd have to think Poch can try to find a tweak here and there, but has to work with what he's got.

 

[yankspurs]

Meh. Just another person for the short bald one to shift blame to. Classic dear leader. Doesnt matter because results wont be any different. Daniel still wont spend the money needed to improve the team.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

I'd be interested in why Mitchell is considered so 'highly rated'. I had a quick look around and didn't find anything, but maybe hte video above will help. It seems ludicrous that Mitchell was a key factor in identifying and signing Pelle and Tadic, given Koeman's recent work in the Eredivisie. He only started this line of work in 2010, and was hired by the Saints in 2012....so where's the beef?

Basically Southampton have a vision and understanding of their style of play and approach to the footballing side of things, while also having an understanding of their stature and targets throughout the staff. This means that when appointing the manger (Koeman) he would have been researched and approached because Southampton belived him to fit in with their ideology and his approach fitted in with their plans and players.

I read an interview with Mitchell where he said this obviously worked as when Koeman first sat down and went through priority players for his system and their attributes, Southampton already had strong interest and scouting/research on them because they had identifies the same people such as Tadic and Mane.

It shows a very organised and professional way of running a club to maintain stability and have everyone working on the same page.

 

[mpickard2087]

This is the sort of thing Baldini should be fixing, yet it seems this guy has been poached by Poch/Levy. I think if we are going to have this set-up then we need someone else in as DOF/Technical Director to be in charge of the whole club and not just some transfer schmoozer like Baldini.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

We're basically buying Southampton's approach, which is fine as long as it works. But it again highlights how we have no culture of logical and sensible decision-making at our club. We have to go and buy theirs to try and emulate it. The likes of Southampton and Swansea are better organized and seem to remain stable despite changes in personnel.

I'd be interested in why Mitchell is considered so 'highly rated'. I had a quick look around and didn't find anything, but maybe hte video above will help. It seems ludicrous that Mitchell was a key factor in identifying and signing Pelle and Tadic, given Koeman's recent work in the Eredivisie. He only started this line of work in 2010, and was hired by the Saints in 2012....so where's the beef?

The winter window will be informative. If it has been decided that the current players aren't good enough, that Poch can't coach this team to improve, and that Poch is to be given time and resources to sort it out, then that's fine and the DoF approach should be permanently binned. It's raison d'etre is that we don't turn the squad over every time we hire a new head coach. Basically sack Baldini and have the scouting network report to Poch. I'd be happy with that and then Poch will either succeed or fail, but we'll keep the structure for the next guy if it's the latter.

If we're keeping the DoF, then you'd have to think Poch can try to find a tweak here and there, but has to work with what he's got.

See, this just highlights why we need to give Poch time, and why we probably shoudl have given AVB more time, though, I am not entirely sure he did nto walk as much as he was sacked.

We need to build a club identity - and that identity needs to permeate the entire club - particularly the academy, so that we have players in the club who are focused on the same philosophy. Once we have that philosophy in place, finding players, and promoting players will be much easier. Its just not as simple as snapping your fingers though. There must be long-term planning that goes into this, and we must not waiver in the face of adversity. Thats going to be tough on the fans, but in the long-run it will pay off immensely.

 

[thinktank]

I hope people caught the bit in that vid where they said they still do double training.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Regardless of whether he is 'good' or not, he's just one individual. As the comments out of Southampton say, its a team effort and whilst they would prefer to keep him they have 10 others doing that work also, and life goes on...

That's what our club needs to do, we need to build a structure/system and not pick out one individual to poach and expect them to work miracles and improve things singlehandedly.

I agree.

But you'd hope that Paul Mitchell would also understand this and not take the job on a basis that doesn't make sense. Wouldn't you?

 

[jolsnogross]

This is the sort of thing Baldini should be fixing, yet it seems this guy has been poached by Poch/Levy. I think if we are going to have this set-up then we need someone else in as DOF/Technical Director to be in charge of the whole club and not just some transfer schmoozer like Baldini.

I agree that none of this looks good for Baldini and we should get rid. But I'd also suggest we need to have a structure in place that reports to Poch, rather than 'above' Poch. Baldini and his position are increasingly indefensible.

 

[mpickard2087]

I agree.

But you'd hope that Paul Mitchell would also understand this and not take the job on a basis that doesn't make sense. Wouldn't you?

Who knows what he has been promised though, probably we aim to build our own recruitment/analysis department etc etc and sold a project that he can have a major part in.

No doubt a handsome pay rise has been offered to him also...

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

We are adding to our scouting department - how is this a bad thing?

 

[jolsnogross]

Basically Southampton have a vision and understanding of their style of play and approach to the footballing side of things, while also having an understanding of their stature and targets throughout the staff. This means that when appointing the manger (Koeman) he would have been researched and approached because Southampton belived him to fit in with their ideology and his approach fitted in with their plans and players.

I read an interview with Mitchell where he said this obviously worked as when Koeman first sat down and went through priority players for his system and their attributes, Southampton already had strong interest and scouting/research on them because they had identifies the same people such as Tadic and Mane.

It shows a very organised and professional way of running a club to maintain stability and have everyone working on the same page.

We're still looking for some beef on Mitchell though. He was hired into Southampton's already designed system. What did he do there or at MK Dons to recommend him so highly? Did he hire Koeman? I understand that the Saints are well run and will probably carry on in decent shape without Mitchell there, or are they now under pressure because Mitchell has jumped ship?

 

[E17yid]

We are adding to our scouting department - how is this a bad thing?

Because there's no consistency.

Ergo, my money would be on another "Re-structure" within the next 18months - 2 years and then being back to square 1

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

We're still looking for some beef on Mitchell though. He was hired into Southampton's already designed system. What did he do there or at MK Dons to recommend him so highly? Did he hire Koeman? I understand that the Saints are well run and will probably carry on in decent shape without Mitchell there, or are they now under pressure because Mitchell has jumped ship?

That's the point, they won't struggle to carry on so much without him-because he has done a good job in bringing player analysis, research and recruitment uptogther in a modern, well run structure. The fact that they can replace him is a testament to what he has helped build.