Roberto Soldado

y1dk1d · Jan 5, 2015

Kendall said:
Poachers struggle in the PL if they don't have pace or power. Who was the last successful one?

Soldado never had the required attributes to be a PL success. A bum purchase from day one.

This is true. However I'm still glad we bought him and I'm happy we went for it. People on here and elsewhere might laugh but I'm glad we went for it because Soldado was one of the best strikers in Europe when we signed him. He was world class and Levy did what we always cry for, spend money on top quality and go for it. Albeit that's because we had the Bale fund to spend it on but at least we went for it. If we didn't I'm sure many would complain about never trying for him. No-one knew he was going to flop like this but that happens sometimes. Onwards and upwards

DaSpurs · Jan 5, 2015

y1dk1d said:
This is true. However I'm still glad we bought him and I'm happy we went for it. People on here and elsewhere might laugh but I'm glad we went for it because Soldado was one of the best strikers in Europe when we signed him. He was world class and Levy did what we always cry for, spend money on top quality and go for it. Albeit that's because we had the Bale fund to spend it on but at least we went for it. If we didn't I'm sure many would complain about never trying for him. No-one knew he was going to flop like this but that happens sometimes. Onwards and upwards

He was undoubtedly quality indeed, but nonetheless he wasn't even tailored to our own system, never mind the league. One of the more unfortunate choices AVB made and with a significant portion of revenue. On the bright side, had we bought Benteke instead, while we may have fared better since that point we may never have witnessed the current blossoming of Kane.

y1dk1d · Jan 5, 2015

DaSpurs said:
He was undoubtedly quality indeed, but nonetheless he wasn't even tailored to our own system, never mind the league. One of the more unfortunate choices AVB made and with a significant portion of revenue. On the bright side, had we bought Benteke instead, while we may have fared better since that point we may never have witnessed the current blossoming of Kane.

That's true about not being fit for the system but I guess the thinking was that it was worth the risk with him being so talented. Benteke would've probably made more sense in hindsight, and I did really want the Belgian, but as you say the hurrikane may never have emerged

prawnsandwich · Jan 5, 2015

Things happen for a reason. We went nutty 2013 summer and made bad buys. Wrong buys, wrong manager.
Summer 2014 good buys. Maybe we have a good manager?
Great point about the type of striker needed for us and the EPL from Kendall.

225 · Jan 10, 2015

Does this count as some sort of sign/ITK?? :whistle:

http://shop.tottenhamhotspur.com/pr...il&utm_campaign=retail-newsletter-011015&crn=

Shea · Jan 11, 2015

He has proven to be a terrible signing, probably the worst In our history considering the money spent (maybe second to bentley If we recoup enough back)

It was poor of our scouts and whoever else identified him as the man to sign not with all their footballing knowledge and expertise to be unable to assess that he was not suited to our team and system let alone the league we play in - really poor and hopefully lessons have been learned

What I will say is that had we signed a decent striker instead of Soldado the. We may never have really seen the breakthrough and progression of kane - so maybe I'm the long run it will have worked out for the best

I just hope now we can sell Soldado asap and replace him with someone who can successfully cover and support kane and offer us more options I'm attack - it's vital to our chances of success and Soldado offers us nothing unfortunately

gilzeantheking · Jan 11, 2015

Is there an echo in here?

prawnsandwich · Jan 11, 2015

Is there an echo in here?

THFCSPURS19 · Jan 11, 2015

Shea said:
He has proven to be a terrible signing, probably the worst I'm our history considering the money spent (maybe second to bentley If we recoup enough back)

It was poor of our scouts and whoever else identified him as the man to sign not with all their footballing knowledge and expertise to be unable to assess that he was not suited to our team and system let alone the league we play in - really poor and hopefully lessons have been learned

What I will say is that had we signed a decent striker instead of Soldado the. We may never have really seen the breakthrough and progression of kane - so maybe I'm the long run it will have worked out for the best

I just hope now we can sell Soldado asap and replace him with someone who can successfully cover and support kane and offer us more options I'm attack - it's vital to our chances of success and Soldado offers us nothing unfortunately

We did sign a decent striker, a fantastic striker in fact and a world-class finisher. He's just got progressively worse as time has gone on.

Shea · Jan 11, 2015

THFCSPURS19 said:
We did sign a decent striker, a fantastic striker in fact and a world-class finisher. He's just got progressively worse as time has gone on.

He's never been decent much less fantastic or world class for us though has he?

When I say had we signed a decent striker I am only concerned with their performances in a Spurs shirt not how they performed previously elsewhere

From the very start he could only score penalties in our league, he simply never fitted our system, his team mates or the league itself. This was a terrible terrible signing from the start because the people charged with scouting players should have enough knowledge about the game to have been able to foresee how poorly he could adapt to our game with the skill set he possesses

It's irrelevant how well he played in Spain frankly

But as I say the silverlining is the emergence of Kane - had we signed someone actually capable of performing to a standard that warranted a first team place its highly unlikely he'd have been replaced by a kid from the youth team

THFCSPURS19 · Jan 11, 2015

Shea said:
He's never been decent much less fantastic or world class for us though has he?

When I say had we signed a decent striker I am only concerned with their performances in a Spurs shirt not how they performed previously elsewhere

From the very start he could only score penalties in our league, he simply never fitted our system, his team mates or the league itself. This was a terrible terrible signing from the start because the people charged with scouting players should have enough knowledge about the game to have been able to foresee how poorly he could adapt to our game with the skill set he possesses

It's irrelevant how well he played in Spain frankly

But as I say the silverlining is the emergence of Kane - had we signed someone actually capable of performing to a standard that warranted a first team place its highly unlikely he'd have been replaced by a kid from the youth team

You seemed to be happy with the transfer when it happened.

Shea · Jan 11, 2015

THFCSPURS19 said:
You seemed to be happy with the transfer when it happened.

I was, and I kept faith in him for a long time

But how is that relevant?

I am not a footballing expert nor professional, I am simply a fan.

I am saying the people who's job it is to scout players and identify how well their skill sets will transfer in to our team and our league should have been able to make a deeper and better assessment of him and identified his failings in as far as how poorly suited he would be to both our league and our team

As a fan I was happy with his signing because on the surface of things he came with a great goal scoring record and looked an outstanding finisher. I don't blame myself or any other fan for having that opinion when he was first signed, but we're not professionals with the time, resources, experience or knowledge required to study a player when determining his suitability for a potential transfer

The professionals at our club who gave the green light to sign him should have been more informed than a simple fan like me and should have been better able to realise that he would flop so poorly because he was not up to the task

yankspurs · Jan 11, 2015

Soldado was a great striker who was set up to fail here with no creativity or players who were given instructions to roam around freely around him. We made the smart buy 1 year late. AVB's system destroyed his confidence. Tim didnt try to build it back up and neither has Poch.

Shea · Jan 11, 2015

yankspurs said:
Soldado was a great striker who was set up to fail here with no creativity or players who were given instructions to roam around freely around him. We made the smart buy 1 year late. AVB's system destroyed his confidence. Tim didnt try to build it back up and neither has Poch.

I hate this "AVB destroy his confidence" excuse still being made for him

Don't get me wrong, I agreed with it at first.....I even used it myself

I do think that he was isolated under AVB and I have no doubts that if had a detrimental affect on his confidence

But the lad is a grown man ffs, an experienced goal scorer and an established Spanish international. He's not a little kid

Since AVB lost his job and was replaced by Sherwood, right up until now under Poch he's been presented with plenty of golden opportunities. He could have and should have got over his lack of confidence a long long time ago. He's continued to miss and even when he does score he's failed to build on it and just gone right back to square one

The confidence excuse simply doesn't wash anymore - if anything its only another black mark against his name that suggests he's too mentally weak to recover from knocks to his ego and this league has no place for frail minded men like that. He should have manned up a long time ago, he's had more than enough opportunities to do so now

I think he's unable to thrive outside his comfort zone, doesn't have the attributes to succeed in our league. As a pure finisher with a lack of pace, strength and size he isn't suited to our game and its best for both us and him for him to move on

THFCSPURS19 · Jan 11, 2015

Shea said:
I hate this "AVB destroy his confidence" excuse still being made for him

Don't get me wrong, I agreed with it at first.....I even used it myself

I do think that he was isolated under AVB and I have no doubts that if had a detrimental affect on his confidence

But the lad is a grown man ffs, an experienced goal scorer and an established Spanish international. He's not a little kid

Since AVB lost his job and was replaced by Sherwood, right up until now under Poch he's been presented with plenty of golden opportunities. He could have and should have got over his lack of confidence a long long time ago. He's continued to miss and even when he does score he's failed to build on it and just gone right back to square one

The confidence excuse simply doesn't wash anymore - if anything its only another black mark against his name that suggests he's too mentally weak to recover from knocks to his ego and this league has no place for frail minded men like that. He should have manned up a long time ago, he's had more than enough opportunities to do so now

I think he's unable to thrive outside his comfort zone, doesn't have the attributes to succeed in our league. As a pure finisher with a lack of pace, strength and size he isn't suited to our game and its best for both us and him for him to move on

So is it Soldado's fault, or AVB, Baldini and our scouts' fault?

Shea · Jan 11, 2015

THFCSPURS19 said:
So is it Soldado's fault, or AVB, Baldini and our scouts' fault?

I blame whoever contributed to greenlighting his signing

I don't blame the player, I don't think he's lacked effort or will to succeed. I just think in hindsight he's unsuitable and incapable of being a real success for us in this league and I think whoever was involved in his signing should have been better placed to realise this

I can't tell you specifically who to blame because I simply do not know who had what input in the signing - I am sure AVB had an influence, though I believe we were linked to him long before AVB was in the hot seat so there are more people involved certainly

But in my opinion all the people in our scouting and transfer decision making processes should have been able to identify these flaws better than I could as a fan and he never should have been signed because of what we see with the benefit of hindsight (the professionals at our club shouldn't have needed that hindsight)

wirE · Jan 11, 2015

If we could have have some kind of a deal which involves money + soldado to Milan and El Shaarawy in return I would be really happy.^^
Always admired El Shaarawy quickness, pace, dribbling and mohawk.

allatsea · Jan 11, 2015

Shea said:
I blame whoever contributed to greenlighting his signing

I don't blame the player, I don't think he's lacked effort or will to succeed. I just think in hindsight he's unsuitable and incapable of being a real success for us in this league and I think whoever was involved in his signing should have been better placed to realise this

I can't tell you specifically who to blame because I simply do not know who had what input in the signing - I am sure AVB had an influence, though I believe we were linked to him long before AVB was in the hot seat so there are more people involved certainly

But in my opinion all the people in our scouting and transfer decision making processes should have been able to identify these flaws better than I could as a fan and he never should have been signed because of what we see with the benefit of hindsight (the professionals at our club shouldn't have needed that hindsight)

One of the big reasons I guess why we now have Mitchell to evaluate players.

yankspurs · Jan 11, 2015

Shea said:
I hate this "AVB destroy his confidence" excuse still being made for him

Don't get me wrong, I agreed with it at first.....I even used it myself

I do think that he was isolated under AVB and I have no doubts that if had a detrimental affect on his confidence

But the lad is a grown man ffs, an experienced goal scorer and an established Spanish international. He's not a little kid

Since AVB lost his job and was replaced by Sherwood, right up until now under Poch he's been presented with plenty of golden opportunities. He could have and should have got over his lack of confidence a long long time ago. He's continued to miss and even when he does score he's failed to build on it and just gone right back to square one

The confidence excuse simply doesn't wash anymore - if anything its only another black mark against his name that suggests he's too mentally weak to recover from knocks to his ego and this league has no place for frail minded men like that. He should have manned up a long time ago, he's had more than enough opportunities to do so now

I think he's unable to thrive outside his comfort zone, doesn't have the attributes to succeed in our league. As a pure finisher with a lack of pace, strength and size he isn't suited to our game and its best for both us and him for him to move on

Presented with golden opportuninities? Really? So he's been inserted into the team after finally scoring in the league in open play?

Tyler24durden · Jan 11, 2015

The problem with Soldado is that he isn't suited to the EPL and never will be.

Anyone scouting/watching him from his time in Spain should have known this.

Negredo on the other hand showed all the qualities needed.

Poor scouting has led to a very poor purchase.

I think we bought in reputation and goals scored rather than any decent analysis.

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