Roberto Soldado

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Every single pundit says that.

Every single pundit has a wank over Sterling, doesn't make them right though does it mate?

 

[spurious1]

Two? Effectively, we have just the one.

Agree, I didn't see any other senior strikers around except Soldado and Kane (who wasn't one just a year ago).

I also agree more or less that playing Chadli (maybe, but less probably, Lamela) as a striker would probably be as good as anyone we could buy for 10-15k. But the prospect doesn't fill me with joy. Right now the situation doesn't seem critical, because Kane is doing so well. But he can't possibly play every damn game in 4 competitions, usually as lone striker, for the rest of the season, can he? Which by the way is his first full season playing at this level.

If Kane were to get injured, things would suddenly look desperate on the strike front, so I hope we bring in someone, doesn't have to be a Pele, but someone who can do a job at least, with some kind of PL track record.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Every single pundit has a wank over Sterling, doesn't make them right though does it mate?

Well, unless your talking Nikki Sterling?

 

[archiewasking]

Agree with pretty much every word

I wanted him to be a star, I tried to support and believe in him (defend him when others wrote him off etc) but it has come to the point where you'd have to be delusional to still believe he can turn things around

It hasn't worked out and it isn't going to work out

He must be sold - for the best of the club and just as importantly for his own career

I have never used the disagree option and never will. Maybe I am delusional, but I'm the guy who still believes. That he will turn it around and it will work out. Every time we announce a team, I hope he's in it. And that he will notch a brace or a hat trick and Soldado will start to shine for us. I still want him to be a star and will support and believe in him because he has real talent and now the team is starting to get the idea of how Poch wants them to play, everything will at last fall into place for RS. Can't help it, it's honestly how I feel.

 

[TheChosenOne]

I have never used the disagree option and never will. Maybe I am delusional, but I'm the guy who still believes. That he will turn it around and it will work out. Every time we announce a team, I hope he's in it. And that he will notch a brace or a hat trick and Soldado will start to shine for us. I still want him to be a star and will support and believe in him because he has real talent and now the team is starting to get the idea of how Poch wants them to play, everything will at last fall into place for RS. Can't help it, it's honestly how I feel.

Me too. Same belief.

 

[225]

Agree, I didn't see any other senior strikers around except Soldado and Kane (who wasn't one just a year ago).

I also agree more or less that playing Chadli (maybe, but less probably, Lamela) as a striker would probably be as good as anyone we could buy for 10-15k. But the prospect doesn't fill me with joy. Right now the situation doesn't seem critical, because Kane is doing so well. But he can't possibly play every damn game in 4 competitions, usually as lone striker, for the rest of the season, can he? Which by the way is his first full season playing at this level.

If Kane were to get injured, things would suddenly look desperate on the strike front, so I hope we bring in someone, doesn't have to be a Pele, but someone who can do a job at least, with some kind of PL track record.

For 10-15k yes, but £10-15 million perhaps not

 

[Shea]

I have never used the disagree option and never will. Maybe I am delusional, but I'm the guy who still believes. That he will turn it around and it will work out. Every time we announce a team, I hope he's in it. And that he will notch a brace or a hat trick and Soldado will start to shine for us. I still want him to be a star and will support and believe in him because he has real talent and now the team is starting to get the idea of how Poch wants them to play, everything will at last fall into place for RS. Can't help it, it's honestly how I feel.

He won't turn it around

 

[SpurSince57]

I have never used the disagree option and never will. Maybe I am delusional, but I'm the guy who still believes. That he will turn it around and it will work out. Every time we announce a team, I hope he's in it. And that he will notch a brace or a hat trick and Soldado will start to shine for us. I still want him to be a star and will support and believe in him because he has real talent and now the team is starting to get the idea of how Poch wants them to play, everything will at last fall into place for RS. Can't help it, it's honestly how I feel.

Your faith is admirable. However, I posted back in June that I couldn't think of a single expensive import brought in as a Number One striker who'd bombed as spectacularly as Soldado in his first season and gone on to meet expectations in his second, and see no reason to change this view. Pavlyuchenko's tottering into double figures in his second season is about as good as it's likely to get, and it doesn't look as if Soldado's going to do even that well.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I have never used the disagree option and never will. Maybe I am delusional, but I'm the guy who still believes. That he will turn it around and it will work out. Every time we announce a team, I hope he's in it. And that he will notch a brace or a hat trick and Soldado will start to shine for us. I still want him to be a star and will support and believe in him because he has real talent and now the team is starting to get the idea of how Poch wants them to play, everything will at last fall into place for RS. Can't help it, it's honestly how I feel.

I'm with you mate. That's why I've found it REALLY annoying that, after (twice?) scoring what ended up being the winning goal in a league match, and clearly showing how chuffed he was via his celebrations, he was dropped for the next match in each case. And it's not because Kane is shining either, because Kane was playing alongside Soldado when he last got his last goal in the PL. It was against Everton, remember it came from Kane making a superb tackle, Lennon picking up the loose ball & bursting forward to slot the ball across the box for Soldado to give Howard 'the eyes' and send him the wrong way before finishing very well indeed. He must have been buzzing after that, but was then rewarded with a place on the bench for the next match.

It's odd & frustrating, but we have to trust that Pochettino knows what he's doing.

 

[Shea]

I'm with you mate. That's why I've found it REALLY annoying that, after (twice?) scoring what ended up being the winning goal in a league match, and clearly showing how chuffed he was via his celebrations, he was dropped for the next match in each case. And it's not because Kane is shining either, because Kane was playing alongside Soldado when he last got his last goal in the PL. It was against Everton, remember it came from Kane making a superb tackle, Lennon picking up the loose ball & bursting forward to slot the ball across the box for Soldado to give Howard 'the eyes' and send him the wrong way before finishing very well indeed. He must have been buzzing after that, but was then rewarded with a place on the bench for the next match.

It's odd & frustrating, but we have to trust that Pochettino knows what he's doing.

The problem is he's had nearly two years to regain his confidence, find his feet whatever

Everytime he scores a goal we all hope this will be what he needs to suddenly go on a run and make things happen, show us just how good he really is......but it never happens

I agree to an extent with what you say about his frequently being dropped after scoring potentially losing momentum but after he scored the winner against Everton and was buzzing as you say his next start came at home to Palace and he was presented with 3 guilt edge opportunities to add to his tally and build on his success from the Everton game and he missed all three horribly

If he doesn't have the mental strength to stay confident because he lost his place for one game then I guess he's just not mentality cut out to be a success in our league

I really like the guy - I think we all do and I am certain we all would love him to be a success and justify his £26m fee

But hand on heart can anyone really say they BELIEVE he is going to turn it around and be a success? I honestly think anyone that says they think he will still be a success are just expressing HOPE rather than belief

 

[SpurSince57]

Four goals from open play in 40 appearances. 16 attempts per goal. Fewer than a third of his efforts have been on target, despite almost all of them having been from within the area.

And some people are surprised he isn't first choice?

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

I'm with you mate. That's why I've found it REALLY annoying that, after (twice?) scoring what ended up being the winning goal in a league match, and clearly showing how chuffed he was via his celebrations, he was dropped for the next match in each case. And it's not because Kane is shining either, because Kane was playing alongside Soldado when he last got his last goal in the PL. It was against Everton, remember it came from Kane making a superb tackle, Lennon picking up the loose ball & bursting forward to slot the ball across the box for Soldado to give Howard 'the eyes' and send him the wrong way before finishing very well indeed. He must have been buzzing after that, but was then rewarded with a place on the bench for the next match.

It's odd & frustrating, but we have to trust that Pochettino knows what he's doing.

Why does everyone seem to forget this? Every chance Bobby has had to get a steam of confidence has inadvertently ended up with him being benched the following game, yet people seem to expect him to come good out of nowhere

Strikers rely on confidence to be clinical in front of goal and to play at 100% if we don't give him the chance to get any how can we expect him to deliver the talent we all know he has.

I am also an optimistic believer that Kane and Soldado can still form some kind of partnership upfront as a pair if they are allowed to play together consistently. I don't see Poch going for a 4-4-2 formation however to accommodate this, unless we facing "smaller" opposition.

I don't believe Soldado needs to be sold, I think he just needs a truly solid chance in the starting 11.

 

[Shea]

Why does everyone seem to forget this? Every chance Bobby has had to get a steam of confidence has inadvertently ended up with him being benched the following game, yet people seem to expect him to come good out of nowhere

Strikers rely on confidence to be clinical in front of goal and to play at 100% if we don't give him the chance to get any how can we expect him to deliver the talent we all know he has.

I am also an optimistic believer that Kane and Soldado can still form some kind of partnership upfront as a pair if they are allowed to play together consistently. I don't see Poch going for a 4-4-2 formation however to accommodate this, unless we facing "smaller" opposition.

I don't believe Soldado needs to be sold, I think he just needs a truly solid chance in the starting 11.

He's had plenty of chances to be in the starting 11, he's even had plenty of very presentable chances to score goals in nearly all of those games

The excuses about his confidence wore thin a long long time ago.

He's not a kid, he's a fully established Spanish international

He may have been dropped for the Chelsea game after his winner vs Everton - but he was in the starting line up again and given 3 nailed on chances that Harry Redknapp's mrs could have scored in the very next game against Palace and he wasted them all and cost us 2 valuable points

If he can't sustain his confidence from scoring the winner against Everton long enough to carry it into the Palace game and just goes straight back to square one then he simply lacks the mental strength of character to be successful in a tough league out of his Spanish comfort zone

Do you actually think he will be a success for us? or are you just hopeful that he will and trying to be supportive regardless of what your head tells your heart?

We all WANT him to do well it's just that in the real world the evidence has shown us that he won't

 

[Kendall]

I'm with you mate. That's why I've found it REALLY annoying that, after (twice?) scoring what ended up being the winning goal in a league match, and clearly showing how chuffed he was via his celebrations, he was dropped for the next match in each case. And it's not because Kane is shining either, because Kane was playing alongside Soldado when he last got his last goal in the PL. It was against Everton, remember it came from Kane making a superb tackle, Lennon picking up the loose ball & bursting forward to slot the ball across the box for Soldado to give Howard 'the eyes' and send him the wrong way before finishing very well indeed. He must have been buzzing after that, but was then rewarded with a place on the bench for the next match.

It's odd & frustrating, but we have to trust that Pochettino knows what he's doing.

Perhaps unfortunate but in both cases we had Chelsea away the next game and maybe he should grow a pair?

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

He's had plenty of chances to be in the starting 11, he's even had plenty of very presentable chances to score goals in nearly all of those games

The excuses about his confidence wore thin a long long time ago.

He's not a kid, he's a fully established Spanish international

He may have been dropped for the Chelsea game after his winner vs Everton - but he was in the starting line up again and given 3 nailed on chances that Harry Redknapp's mrs could have scored in the very next game against Palace and he wasted them all and cost us 2 valuable points

If he can't sustain his confidence from scoring the winner against Everton long enough to carry it into the Palace game and just goes straight back to square one then he simply lacks the mental strength of character to be successful in a tough league out of his Spanish comfort zone

Do you actually think he will be a success for us? or are you just hopeful that he will and trying to be supportive regardless of what your head tells your heart?

We all WANT him to do well it's just that in the real world the evidence has shown us that he won't

You're the pessimist, I'm the optimist and there's nothing wrong with that.

But I won't write him off until there is clear intention from the board to do that themselves, Until then I prefer to think he will still come good for us and justify his purchase and if not I won't cry over spoiled milk.

 

[Shea]

You're the pessimist, I'm the optimist and there's nothing wrong with that.

But I won't write him off until there is clear intention from the board to do that themselves, Until then I prefer to think he will still come good for us and justify his purchase and if not I won't cry over spoiled milk.

I really wouldn't describe it as an optimistic vs pessimistic stance

I don't feel I am being pessimistic rather realistic about his chances of success at this club from this point in

I also believe you're being optimistic to the extent you're just hoping rather than truly believing he will turn things around

I do hope you some how are right and he does become a striker worthy of the investment we have put in him - but I really don't see it as remotely realistic now, he's had so many chances already. I firmly believe the best thing for the club will be to sell/loan and upgrade asap (The best thing for his own career also)

 

[Hoddtastic72]

So if we let Roberto Soldado go in Jan, perhaps on loan or something...who could we get in who would be available, in our price range and a suitable upgrade?

 

[Shea]

So if we let Roberto Soldado go in Jan, perhaps on loan or something...who could we get in who would be available, in our price range and a suitable upgrade?

The good thing is the emergence of Kane as the number one striker

It takes some pressure off trying to sign someone to be the star striker and be that star striker right here right now

We could afford to bring someone in who will be blooded somewhat slowly while Kane continues to lead the line and this probably increases our realistic options

To be fair Soldado's contribution has been so minimal in his time at the club it really isn't hard to improve upon - Saha probably gave us more than Bobby has

 

[TaoistMonkey]

So if we let Roberto Soldado go in Jan, perhaps on loan or something...who could we get in who would be available, in our price range and a suitable upgrade?

Well why don't we sign a striker with bucket loads of experience. Someone who has only been bettered by Ronaldo and Messi for goals.

You know, a proper number nine. A real poacher.

I wonder if there is such a player out there.

 

[Kendall]

Well why don't we sign a striker with bucket loads of experience. Someone who has only been bettered by Ronaldo and Messi for goals.

You know, a proper number nine. A real poacher.

I wonder if there is such a player out there.

Poachers struggle in the PL if they don't have pace or power. Who was the last successful one?

Soldado never had the required attributes to be a PL success. A bum purchase from day one.