I'm proud to have Pochettino

JUSTINSIGNAL said:

What the hell are you talking about?

Relying on a striker to do his job of scoring goals is not a one man team. He's not taking on 5 players and smashing each of his goals into the top corner. The team are creating chances for him and he is doing his job and finishing them.

Your argument makes no sense at all.

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The essence of my argument is that separating between Kane/Poch & Bale/AVB is based on make believe rules and differences which are so much removed from reality that even Harry Potter looks like an actual account of real happenings. You are right, we are not a one-man team, and I've never said that. But either both AVB & Pochettino had their sorry excuses for an arse saved by one man in their first season, or neither did.

Everlasting Seconds said:

If we look at Kane, his goals have earned us 22 points so far. Ie. without him scoring, everything else the same, we would have won 22 points less. That means we would have been 14th now, with 36 points.

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But if Kane wasn't playing we'd have another striker like Soldado scoring and wi...

Oh right.. as you were.

Discuss

cozzo said:

Discuss

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Does the same thing every manager we have does. Plays same players to prove a point, which ultimately costs the team and fans.

anything but 'proud' atm

I see extremely few differences between Poch & AVB; except that AVB's English is better, he is a bit younger and he is a more accomplished manager. Based on that, I've looked back on AVB's 2nd season to predict Pochettino's 2nd season:

Thus, Pochettino will have a busy summer, doing a lot of trades. It will look like we are signing a host of interesting names. We will sell really big names, forced to hold on to some players we would want to sell.

We sill start next season with a very tight defence (as a response to this season), moving the high line and trying to build from behind.

We will do well enough in terms of points and league position, but fans will complain about boring football, few goals and where is Tim Sherwood.

As the season progresses, the impatience spreads, Pochettino's fierce & fearless man management will lead to tension with the board, and he will ultimately be cornered to provoke a resignation.

Everlasting Seconds said:

I see extremely few differences between Poch & AVB; except that AVB's English is better, he is a bit younger and he is a more accomplished manager. Based on that, I've looked back on AVB's 2nd season to predict Pochettino's 2nd season:

Thus, Pochettino will have a busy summer, doing a lot of trades. It will look like we are signing a host of interesting names. We will sell really big names, forced to hold on to some players we would want to sell.

We sill start next season with a very tight defence (as a response to this season), moving the high line and trying to build from behind.

We will do well enough in terms of points and league position, but fans will complain about boring football, few goals and where is Tim Sherwood.

As the season progresses, the impatience spreads, Pochettino's fierce & fearless man management will lead to tension with the board, and he will ultimately be cornered to provoke a resignation.

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And then we will we sign the new manager who people will claim was the correct choice all along like FdB. He, like Poch, will have the uphill battle of using players who aren't his own to somehow overtake 5 arguably better but definitely richer teams. People will cry for patience as usual and claim they will be happy for a 6th place season as he is a new manager, with players who aren't his and try and get them to learn his style of play. Unsurprisingly and as people expected he will finish around 6th and most likely we wouldn't have even gotten to a final. People who initially wanted him to come in will ask for time while those who wanted a different manager will be baying for his blood and ask fore him to be replaced and maybe begrudgingly allow him a 2nd season while continually looking for faults and highlight all negatives to prove their point. Then we will replace him as once again he didn't manage to get us CL playing free flowing football as he Rome was not built in a day, and people couldn't accept a bit of a bumpy ride. Rinse a repeat with fans claiming they are patient and will accept 6th again in a transitional season but be angry when we finish 6th. So how about we actually just give Poch time like we said we would.

Not proud at all
In fact i think we have gone back another step this season

nav007_2000 said:

Not proud at all
In fact i think we have gone back another step this season

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Certainly no improvement, thats for certain!

Actually quite a bleak Summer on the horizon given the level of player we are being linked with and the fact that Lloris deserves to be plying his trade with much better players than those currently playing in front of him

his staff lavish all their attention on the handful of players he sees as part of his masterplan, and do very little individual coaching with the rest of the senior squad.

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That is believable as the team look like they rarely train together as well.

All this putting players in the dog house was fine when they could be bought and sold as clubs liked. Now days a player has the right to wait or have the contract paid up.
And at spurs, these are big contracts.

The manager's job is to get the best out of the resources he has.
He needs to work out how they tick and give them what they need - even if that means saluting the ego-maniacs or laughing along with the eccentrics like BAE.

Humans are complex creatures - getting the best from these millionaires is no easy task.
But MP's methods are not working - he needs to think again.

I am swelling with pride over having Mauricio Pochettino as our manager. He has done an amazing job; I reckon no one on earth could've topped his first season with us. He is a phenomenal coach, and the results speak for themselves. We truly look like a cohesive unit, we have a definite style of play, we're tough to beat and the football is sublime. Yes, today wasn't great- but at least you could see the fight in the players, a battling mentality instilled in our boys from the gaffer himself. I am positively fucking beaming about Poch, especially as my Ars*nal mates are jealous. The future looks bright indeed.

My bother who is an arsenal fan really rates poch and cant believe with the team we have that he's got us as high as we are and into the carling cup final.
Normally I'd tell him to shut his shit but looking at our first 11, how many would get a game for the teams above us, hell even how many would play for s'ton.
Looking objectively (or trying to)
Lloris is our only truly world class player
Kane (2nd full season could prove how good he really is, seems a bit billy big bollocks now and selfish), Eriksen (will he ever be consistent enough??), Bentaleb (think this kid is going to the top,will it be with us though?), Rose (definitely his breakthrough season in terms of consistency) , Dier (has all the attributes and lets hope he kicks on) and to a lesser degree Lamela (I see something/ not sure if its blind optimism).
Walker - wouldn't be a starter elsewhere in a team with CL ambitions
Vertonghen - Too overrated, lackadaisical and indecisive
Fazio - Mertesacker from argentina
Chiriches - wouldn't be first choice for Burnley
Davies - does some things good, but not enough and doesn't seem to possess the pace to play in Poch's system.
Mason - I love the guy and its easy to forget how inexperienced he is but he wouldn't get a game for any team above us on current form.
Chadli - decent but again wouldn't be first choice in teams we aspire to be above.
Pauline - not suited to the PL, would be good in Italy
Capoue - Seemingly a terrible attitude, another who may do better in Serie A
Dembele - On his day he is an absolute beast, when someone finds his day plays send it addressed to THFC
Townsend - Wants to do it all himself, not good enough to do so. Looks like he wants to be Bale, but isn't.
Soldado - Great striker in there somewhere, just not in the prem.
Adebayor - When motivated hes great, very rarely motivated.

If ive forgotten anyone, probably not worth commenting on.

Taking all the above into account.............................brother might have had a point.
Keep Poch and give him the chance to get more players he wants into his team.

The squad isn't the problem.

ethanedwards said:

The squad isn't the problem.

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You cant polish a turd!!
Unless you are new to this forum and have never seen any of the player comments then you should know that this isn't really the common consensus. How many of our players would play for Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City or Utd??

These turds got 69 points last season, we have gone backwards with a "better" manager.

We have not lost this many games in a season since 08/09, 4th worse defence in the league.

Stoke did the double over us, fucking disappointing. Roll on next season.

What I really want to do, post pub, it to have a proper interweb rant. I'm 1 pint shy of it so will just say that, as it stands, I am not at all proud to have Poch' as a manager. Adaptation is the name of the game for decent managers. He is about as adaptable as a fixed UK plug abroad. So fed up.

@thinktank been in?

I'd honestly rather have gotten 50 points if it meant I had a clue what Pochettino is trying to do. At least then I'd be going into the summer thinking well if we get this player or that it'll improve his way of playing.
I'm baffled right now and have been all season. I assumed as the season progressed it would become clearer, it's actually been the opposite.

I'm even starting to doubt, perhaps stupidly, the highs now, were Chelsea and Arsenal different just because London derby intensity, did Arsenal play far too negatively, were we just ridiculously clinical against Chelsea. I dunno anymore.

It felt like whatever Pochs plan was wasn't seemingly working, then he stumbled upon Dembele at CAM that made us play better but it wasn't how he wants us to play so reverted back again to a wide open CM and flimsy fucktard attacking mids.

This stubbornness over 4-2-3-1 is driving me insane, we are so open it's unreal and literally all our CMs would work 1000 times better in a 3.

Why we bought Stambouli is beyond me and if Poch had the same patience with Paulinho, Dembele or even Capoue as he does Mason I wonder where we'd be.

He drops Soldado after he scores and in end of season seemingly has gained some fetish of bringing him on last 30mins knowing ain't a chance in hell of him doing anything.

He's basically fucked both Townsend and Lamelas seasons by switching between the two aimlessly, yet kept Eriksen in side no matter how woeful he has been.

Our defence has been an absolute joke, not helped by the CM situation but also why not just keep the same CB partnership? What's the harm with just keeping it stable and hoping for an understanding.

We've actually gone backwards, this idea of huge changes over summer actually has me worried now. I actually rate quite a lot of squad, ones he hasn't been getting much from, so concerns me what is going to happen.

It's painful to admit but if I look at the games we won this year, there is a lot we didn't deserve to including all those last minute points. I think we're 15 points higher than probably deserve to be on performance and that isn't good enough with this squad.

If he got sacked at the end of the season I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed,
But he won't be unfortunately.

3 seasons of utter crap football! Roll on no 4. We really know how to pick em.