mikeeegreen
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I fully expect Tom Carroll to be sold as well.
If Cleverly goes to Everton I can imagine Tim wanting Carroll.
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If Cleverly goes to Everton I can imagine Tim wanting Carroll.
Sweech
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We need an experienced vet in the middle of the park. These youngsters are good, but they're also getting us shredded at times.
Everlasting Seconds
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That's it. And Dele Alli won't feature heavily in his first season regardless.
E17yid
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In that Q and A poch said the complete opposite.
Let's get the right profile player. Age is irrelevant.
shelfboy68
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Didnt they rule the London underworld in the sixties.
DaSpurs
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As much as I'd love an experienced player such as Schneiderlin to be brought in, I'd really like to see Carroll remain at Spurs. He's the single only player of his type in midfield (dynamic playmaker) currently at the club with professional experience, and I think we become too predictable if we have nothing but players for the double pivot as midfield options.
Granted, I'll concede bias and say I don't much like the double pivot anyway, but I don't think it's a good thing having nothing but similar players for the same positions. We have no players at any position who can be brought off the bench to offer something different and have game impact, and I fear Poch is exacerbating that with his adherence to one system and players who fit within it, and furthermore with his double pivot concept of midfielders providing merely support rather than looking to be orchestrators and manipulators of the game.
Having a playmaker to be thrown in late game for instance could make a significant amount of difference vs throwing in just another double pivot midfielder (CM/DM hybrid) who isn't capable of maneuvering tight spaces and featuring the kind of ingenuity Carroll put on display against Malaysia. I know it was Malaysia, but not one of our other midfielders is capable of seeing that or even attempting such a move, and we've massively lacked that kind of ability since Modric departed. That kind of incision would be an invaluable option we'd be throwing away for nothing but more of the same.
Granted, I'll concede bias and say I don't much like the double pivot anyway, but I don't think it's a good thing having nothing but similar players for the same positions. We have no players at any position who can be brought off the bench to offer something different and have game impact, and I fear Poch is exacerbating that with his adherence to one system and players who fit within it, and furthermore with his double pivot concept of midfielders providing merely support rather than looking to be orchestrators and manipulators of the game.
Having a playmaker to be thrown in late game for instance could make a significant amount of difference vs throwing in just another double pivot midfielder (CM/DM hybrid) who isn't capable of maneuvering tight spaces and featuring the kind of ingenuity Carroll put on display against Malaysia. I know it was Malaysia, but not one of our other midfielders is capable of seeing that or even attempting such a move, and we've massively lacked that kind of ability since Modric departed. That kind of incision would be an invaluable option we'd be throwing away for nothing but more of the same.
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It's hard to find experience oversees. Experience that translates to the EPL would come from playing for a top side in the CL (personal opinion, of course). We can't attract those players.
Neither Bender will happen for different reasons. Sven will not leave Leverkusen as they are in the CL. Lars is too injury-prone. He's a liability that we cannot take a risk on.
Actual Options:
Castro (off to Dortmund)
Geis (likely off to Dortmund)
Kramer
Xhaka (assuming it's Bundesliga and not just German)
Darida (undewhelming)
Rudy
Goretzka (Schalke unlikely to sell)
I think the top choices would be (in order); 1) Xhaka 2) Kramer 3) Rudy
Just North of the River according to the Richardson's
Spursidol
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My post about who to replace MS was made slightly tongue in cheek to the poster asking who we would buy if MS was not available - to which the answer is 'nobody knows so why ask it' or a long list of players who might be available.
For the record I think it would be better to recruit an experienced CM/DM as without that person we are left with a relatively inexperienced group in that CM position (Bentaleb, Mason, Carroll, Alli, Winks, Onomah) assuming that Stambouli, Dembele and Paulhino are sold.
E17yid
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What constitutes experience?
Is it age? (if so how old do you have to be to be experienced)
Or is it how long you've played in the EPL? (if so how many seasons under your belt do you have to have before you're considered experienced)
I only say as MS isn't that old and hardly has a plethora of top flight seasons under his belt.
Is it age? (if so how old do you have to be to be experienced)
Or is it how long you've played in the EPL? (if so how many seasons under your belt do you have to have before you're considered experienced)
I only say as MS isn't that old and hardly has a plethora of top flight seasons under his belt.
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Agree - such a talent that could be fantastic but I just don't think it'll be us. We seem fairly set on needing two physical players in the middle and that I don't think will change whilst Pochettino is in charge.
I was totally underwhelmed by Bentaleb last and at the start of this season - but after watching him play at WHL I understand how impressive he is for his age. And he's been deployed in a far deeper, more defensive role than his youth team days. Does TC add much more than Nabil or Ryan Mason?
carpediem991
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1) Bayern sniffing around and they say 25m pounds are not enough. Won't go to an EL team now
2) Staying at Leverkusen and if not, there will be more attractive options for him
3) Underwhelming
daveduvet
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Wherever MS ends up I feel that team will move forward - if, that is, he remains fit. I feel he's one of those players that contributes more than is noticed. I reckon we've missed the chance but hold onto a thread of hope... Maybe I'm stating the obvious? He'd without doubt protect our back line...
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I'm not sure about "more" per se, but rather something different. Personally, I dislike double pivots because I think better balance in midfield is established by having a designated holding mid set to shield a back line, and a more mobile playmaker just ahead of him capable of making a tackle but quickly transitioning to offense and even quickly driving the ball forward at his feet himself. The double pivot is about balance in symmetry, and providing support for the attackers rather than either getting forward. Mason and Bentaleb can influence the game from afar, but neither of them possess the ability in tight spaces Carroll does, which is something which could be very critical late in matches when the opposition is sitting back. At that point, the double pivot is utterly useless, as the purpose of it is to provide a platform for the attackers to remain forward and cover the fullbacks, so they're consequently wastes of a forward-thinking and creative option (traditional midfielder) when the opposition is sitting back.
Having an option such as Carroll, not only to keep our options open at the start of games, but to offer something entirely different at the end of matches when things get tight, namely the ability to get forward and get involved in those tight spaces, could be crucial. So I think continuing to stockpile these more physical options isn't a wise idea, as we limit our options late in games and make ourselves entirely too predictable.
mikeeegreen
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Just because Bayer L are in the CL does not mean we can't get Lars Bender. Ajax were in the CL and we took their two best players on separate occasions. Money, PL and London do have their advantages like I said. They are only in the qualifying round of the CL anyway, and are not a European elite club.
TheAmerican
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Yes, but the Bundesliga is actually a top league, the Eredivisie isn't.
DaSpurs
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Bundesliga and Eredivisie aren't at all comparable atm, as one is now a top three league and the other is barely even in the UEFA top ten on coefficient. Even the Russian and Ukrainian leagues have surpassed it, and that's not likely to change with the performance of the Ukrainian sides in European competition this year (including Dnipro directly knocking Ajax out of the Europa themselves).
You're talking about a German player at a top German club paying good wages in the Champions League with a new coach who has done very well in his first year with them. Sorry, but I really don't think he'd be all that interested in a proposition from us.
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Who's to say what will happen
carpediem991
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Again...from their three cms they used the last five years Rolfes and Castro are leaving. I just can't see them selling all three. The back up midfielder Reinartz is sold as well. It is not realistic in the slightest.
TheAmerican
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Castro would have been a great pickup for us, too. It's a shame we weren't in for him at €11m, that's a damn steal.
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