Hoddtastic72
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You dirty Basterd
The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 29th June 2015
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Lilbaz
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You are not getting the point. If we pay Nabil £80k a week. Then Kane wants at least that. Mason will probably want £50k. Onomah/Winks/Townsend/Rose all the players coming through will all expect that for being regular starters. We cannot afford to pay that.
I'm not advocating giving him 80k a week, all figures are just speculation at the moment. What I am saying is sometimes you have to recognise the strong bargaining position of the player and the risk it would cost to replace him and accept that you might have to overpay. I'm sure his agent has been in contact with other clubs and is roughly aware what he could earn elsewhere and has not just plucked a number out of the air.
arunspurs
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We are playing academy players only in last few seasons. Before that, every average footballer from Palacios to Hutton to Paulinho to God knows who or how many , we have paid huge & unnecessary money in wages.
Wake up ,,,,
There is a huge differential between what our academy players get & what we are willing to afford some 21 year old from Italian league or French league.
If you feel we would be overpaying - don't cry if Pogba kind of situation happens for us too
I agree in not paying over the odds on wages however there was once a youth player at Man Utd who people expected great things of. He had never played a first team game but wanted a first team wage at the age of 17. Fergie refused to pay and so he didn't sign his contract. He left Man Utd. His name is Paul Pogba.
Now I'm not comparing Bentaleb to Pogba in terms of ability however the power ultimately rests with the players. The difference for us is that Bentaleb is on a contract but that will quickly wind down and if he feels we do not value him then he will be off. What the cost of losing him and trying to replace him in the current market?
Now I'm not comparing Bentaleb to Pogba in terms of ability however the power ultimately rests with the players. The difference for us is that Bentaleb is on a contract but that will quickly wind down and if he feels we do not value him then he will be off. What the cost of losing him and trying to replace him in the current market?
spursfan77
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Maybe if he starts to pitch in with over ten goals a season he should be paid that but at the moment he doesn't quite do enough for me and I think he's slightly over rated by us Fans. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player but to be getting the wages it sounds like he wants he's got to become more of a match winner.
Lilbaz
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I would rather sell him and he turns out to be another Pogba than be blackmailed. No player is bigger than the club.
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So that's £2m - £2.5m a year for a very young man playing football with his whole career in front of him.
Jeez - I'd bite Levy's hand off.
Jeez - I'd bite Levy's hand off.
LexingtonSpurs
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Take football out of the equation.
You are 2 years out of university, when you replace some senior members on a team at your company. You team is delivering huge profits, and you are considered a key member of that team.
Now, because you were hired out of university, you are on £20K per year. You learn that the members of the team that you replaced, and are now doing their job better than they were, were earning £50K per year. You have been told you are a key member of the team, and your contributions have helped deliver the profits. You also have a headhunter whispering in your ear that a competitor company is willing to pay you £80K per year.
What do you do?
Do you say nothing and continue to accept that your wages are reasonable based on your age? Do you take significantly less than market value to stay at your company and hope they recognize your value down the road? Do you negotiate with your company, explaining your value, and ask for market value? Do you simply go to the competitor without negotiating with your current employer?
You are 2 years out of university, when you replace some senior members on a team at your company. You team is delivering huge profits, and you are considered a key member of that team.
Now, because you were hired out of university, you are on £20K per year. You learn that the members of the team that you replaced, and are now doing their job better than they were, were earning £50K per year. You have been told you are a key member of the team, and your contributions have helped deliver the profits. You also have a headhunter whispering in your ear that a competitor company is willing to pay you £80K per year.
What do you do?
Do you say nothing and continue to accept that your wages are reasonable based on your age? Do you take significantly less than market value to stay at your company and hope they recognize your value down the road? Do you negotiate with your company, explaining your value, and ask for market value? Do you simply go to the competitor without negotiating with your current employer?
@Bobby__Lucky
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Think pogba situ was more about playing time and opportunity than money.
I have confidence all that this will be resolved. I'm intrigued to see how this will all pan out.
Lilbaz
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Dembelle is not earning £80k a week, nor is, Kane, Soldado, Capoue, Mason, Vertongen, etc... so where is the market value?
Lilbaz
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Nine months they have been negotiating. He's trying to do a Sol.
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This is exactly how life works, never mind football.
You have to earn your wages - a person is paid for their experience as much as for their ability, and only through a combination of both do you ever truly earn your most.
There is no competitor willing to pay him £80k. He's comparatively in his 2nd year of a graduate scheme looking to be given parity with senior staff with a lot more experience. If it were real life, he'd be called a cocky gobshite.
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I think we should give him 50-55K. If we are to replace him (a home grown player no less), we'll need to spend premium - about 15-20 million is my guess and give the new guy 60-70K. In Nabil we have a guy that loves the club and obviously very talented. Give him 55K now, tie him to a 5 year contract and promise him another raise next summer if he keeps improving. 55K for 5 years is 14,3 million. Less than we'll have to spend to replace him. It's a no brainer for me.
LexingtonSpurs
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You did not answer the question.
As to your question - if he is asking for £80k - then he is not expecting £80k. His agent will have done the research and come up with a figure that represents market value for someone of Bentaleb's ability (not his age or experience). The player thinks he is at one level, the club presumably thinks he is unproven at that level, and wants to see it repeated before paying for that level. Both positions are reasonable imo.
@Bobby__Lucky
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Mmmmmn I'm not so sure, worst case he still has another 2 seasons before a last year of contract sale. I think him wearing the shirt recreationally speaks volumes of his intentions... Let's wait and see, I just hope he throws a few brasses our way and a ton of 'Andy dufresne' our way out of his 80k!
LexingtonSpurs
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That is not how real life works.
In real life, if you apply for a position that pays £50k, and you earn that position, then you can expect to be paid £50k - whether you have 1 year of experience or 20 years. If you have been hired to do that job, your employer is satisfied with your level of expertise - otherwise they would have stuck with the more experienced option.
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