Manchester United Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

DaSpurs · Aug 8, 2015

homer hotspur said:
Fantastic opportunity missed to open with a win at OT. They were there for the taking, but we simply don't have the attacking threat/pace and Poch's tactics are still highly questionable. I can imagine that Crystal Palace would have also won 3-1 there today. We played well enough knocking the ball around like we always do , when allowed , a bit like against Milan on Wednesday.
Bentaleb's passing was terrible and the goal totally his fault. Walker was stranded going forward and could not have expected that. He did his best to get back and was very unlucky. I was a bit disappointed that Trippier didn't start, but Walker did pretty well. Although we defended fairly well, they were so poor that I worry about the next 2 games against Leicester and Stoke. The Stoke game is a classic Spurs unable to break down the opposition at WHL who frustrate us and then score from a set piece or a break. I wish today gave me some optimism but it doesn't as we still don't look like a team who can make enough chances to wn a match. Desperately in need of at least 2 additions but , even if we get them, I think we wlll struggle to get many points from our next few games as they will need to settle in.

I think with the induction of more pace, aggression, and intent that we solve a current critical weakness. By all accounts, including Poch, we seem very set to be making that attacking addition. I've been bangin on about it for several years now, returning some pace to our side will have a truly massive impact. It has been a glaring weakness, and it has affected us both offensively and defensively (our lack of pace higher up the pitch exposes the back line), and so much deficit can be patched up with such a small investment (relatively). One player, one attacking threat with the ability to quickly reach the play, the confidence and aggression to push, and intelligence to affect the game, and we're in business.

So take heart, maybe we'll get this guy in and we'll end this nonsense with a sheer inability to find a way past stubborn sides.

Gbspurs · Aug 8, 2015

Sweech said:
Plus in the NHL some players do put their first names on their jerseys instead as well. Typically the Russians or Czechs I believe.

I can imagine that:

Coach: Hey, new guy, yeah you what's your name bro.
New Guy: My name is Krizstof Andreiovsliocowicz
Coach:............. Alright, we'll just call you Chris buddy.

wooderz · Aug 8, 2015

Why did we wait til the 85th to start actually playing? If we'd have played like that from about the 60th we'd have won that easily. Shame

But 1st game and all that, right now I'm kinda optimistic - hope it lasts

StartingPrice · Aug 8, 2015

Frozen_Waffles said:
Can all the people slamming Bentaleb please remember that all though woeful this half he is:

a: the youngest player on the pitch (with the possible exception of Luke Shaw) and playing in CM
b: he is playing against 50m of midfield talent, infact if you include Depay and Mata who have drifted in field as well that value goes up even higher.

Calm down, give the lad a chance. What happened to giving the youngsters a chance, this means inconsistency.

Exactly.
I saw Real Madrid players giving the ball away in midweek. Hell, by the standards being applied Steven Gerard would be the worst player ever to have (dis)graced a football pitch (as well as being a Scouse twat)

And in other news, everyone to do with Chelsea, including their manager, screaming for a pen and getting in the refs face, even though it was a very good and clean challenge. Will the Sky interviewers be pulling him up about that and demanding an explanation. Tossers

ziggy · Aug 8, 2015

we would have taken a 1-0 loss a few years back so we've come some distance BUT I hope that we dodn't miss out on 4th by 1 to 3 points because we haven't got the players we want before the season starts.

Poch needs to sort out these errors from Bents

homer hotspur · Aug 8, 2015

DaSpurs said:
I think with the induction of more pace, aggression, and intent that we solve a current critical weakness. By all accounts, including Poch, we seem very set to be making that attacking addition. I've been bangin on about it for several years now, returning some pace to our side will have a truly massive impact. It has been a glaring weakness, and it has affected us both offensively and defensively (our lack of pace higher up the pitch exposes the back line), and so much deficit can be patched up with such a small investment (relatively). One player, one attacking threat with the ability to quickly reach the play, the confidence and aggression to push, and intelligence to affect the game, and we're in business.

So take heart, maybe we'll get this guy in and we'll end this nonsense with a sheer inability to find a way past stubborn sides.

In the meantime, perhaps we should have tried Lennon or Townsend for a bit of genuine pace?

homer hotspur · Aug 8, 2015

ziggy said:
we would have taken a 1-0 loss a few years back so we've come some distance BUT I hope that we dodn't miss out on 4th by 1 to 3 points because we haven't got the players we want before the season starts.

Poch needs to sort out these errors from Bents

I seriously doubt we will miss out on 4th by 1 to 3 points, more like 21-23!

DJS · Aug 8, 2015

SPURSLIFE said:
Benteleb,Mason and Dier are never going to worry teams this year. They didn't last season and they wont this. Sure they had the odd good game but they are not top class and need to be dropped. I never saw in them what a lot on here did last year add to that the frustrating and unreliable form of Dembele and Lamella and it's obvious that we need either 2 or 3 class midfielders or give youth a chance but that is also risky. Who was it that said "you don't win anything with kids" and then what happened?

Everybody keeps saying when we get 2 or 3 new players in but there is no guarantee that we will get anymore. We know Levy wants a deal and we have allegedly made offers for a couple of players that is way below what the clubs are looking for. Berahino is one and we only want to pay 12mil but you're never get him for that but on the other hand he wants 15 mil for Townsend which he will not get in a million years.

So I don't expect any major signings maybe a stop gap striker as cover for Harry but that's about it. Also I wouldn't be surprised if Ade stays (God forbid) as our second striker seeing as he's turned down Villa as he doesn't want to leave London.

So if that's the case then Give the kids a run at the very least it would be exciting something it isn't at the moment as we are to slow and to predictable.

Wait wait, so you're saying give the kids a chance but also saying drop Bentaleb and Mason (who are our youth players).

I'm confused lol.

SPURSLIFE · Aug 8, 2015

Sweech said:
Can't believe some of these reactions.

We just absolutely stifled a United team at Old Trafford carrying enough attacking options that a fair amount of embarrassing 3-0 or 4-0 predictions were made before the game ever started.

Our defensive play was easily our biggest weakness last year and if we can put in more performances like that we should have a great season. We created some decent chances and I'll admit we need to create more in the future, but considering the opposition and location we did very well and easily looked like the better team today.

We lost 1-0 Mate!!

roslau · Aug 8, 2015

Bentaleb needs more training for his passing accuracy. One fatal mistake cost us 3 points today.
We could have got at least a draw if Rose had played. Davies was fine but not as good as Rose. Dier is useful as a DM against top 4 away from home. Poch needs to give Chadli more competitions to step him up to the next level. He seems too layback sometimes.

DaSpurs · Aug 8, 2015

homer hotspur said:
In the meantime, perhaps we should have tried Lennon or Townsend for a bit of genuine pace?

Yes, I would have massively preferred Townsend in this game to Dembele there on the right. Wouldn't have lost the ball any more than Dembele did, possibly could have closed on more passes into that area, and would have provided a bit of movement in our attack. As was, we were extremely easy to close down after the initial 20 minutes.

Springerding · Aug 8, 2015

Kyle fucking Wlalker! sigh!

yiddo23 · Aug 8, 2015

So frustrating how we gift teams goals on the regular. Defense finally looks solid and doesn't let in a goal, yet we are -1, bentaleb needs to sit in place of mason next week. Hopefully we will have a cm signed by then to pair with him, otherwise Alli or dier

Sarsipius · Aug 8, 2015

Also today was the perfect example of why inverted wingers just aren't a great idea (unless they're world beaters)

We made nothing for Harry but had a couple of opportunities to get to the by-line. Chadli, Dembele, Eriksen all guilty.

TBF Kane should have squared it when he was through for 1-0.

SteveH · Aug 8, 2015

DaSpurs said:
Yes, I would have massively preferred Townsend in this game to Dembele there on the right. Wouldn't have lost the ball any more than Dembele did, possibly could have closed on more passes into that area, and would have provided a bit of movement in our attack. As was, we were extremely easy to close down after the initial 20 minutes.

Townsend is not the answer, his control is poor in all aspect of passing. Dembele is a far better footballer, I agree he may not be a wide midfielder.

we need time to find the right players and it will take a couple of seasons

SPURSLIFE · Aug 8, 2015

DJS said:
Wait wait, so you're saying give the kids a chance but also saying drop Bentaleb and Mason (who are our youth players).

I'm confused lol.

Mason is 24 by the way. What I am saying is that they have both had a season and not really delivered consistently and if we are not going to bring anyone of note in then why not play Alli, Pritchard or Carroll. It's not really working with the others so what have we got to lose. In Bentelebs case what does he really offer. As others have already said He doesn't score or create chances and is prone to mistakes with his passing. We are very predictable with the way we play at the moment and easily to suss so lets try another way and style.

Sweech · Aug 8, 2015

SPURSLIFE said:
We lost 1-0 Mate!!

And? You need to look at how you played, not the result.

Playing well and not getting the result is better than getting the result and playing like shit this early in the season. It's a far better indicator of future results.

TonyK · Aug 8, 2015

Didn't see the game but looking forward to sitting down in front of motd later. From all the posts so far, it is great to hear that our defence which was our achilles heel last year seems to have improved enormously with the addition of Toby. Think he will be a great signing for us. I was delighted when we signed him up and think himself and Jan will be a great partnership for the foreseeable.

Despite those positives, a blind man could have seen that we would struggle to create any chances up front today and that Kane would have been virtually isolated for most of the game. As has been pointed out by many, there is absolutely no pace, wing play or penetration in this squad and for us to be starting a new season with the same problems as last season is a bit of a disgrace really.

Commercial success is obviously more important to success on the pitch at THFC, a situation that wouldn't be put up with at any club with aspirations of success. Poch is doing himself no favours either with the inverted wingers bollox.

Sweetsman · Aug 8, 2015

Walker said he stuck his foot out so that Rooney would kick it instead of the ball. I despair as to what goes through his brain.

thinktank · Aug 8, 2015

Sweetsman said:
Walker said he stuck his foot out so that Rooney would kick it instead of the ball. I despair as to what goes through his brain.

Jesus Christ. :LOL:

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