The Weekend ITK Discussion Thread - 15th/16th August 2015

smudger · Aug 16, 2015

Lilbaz said:
So you'd be happy to buy a player that would be considered deadwood next season for a striker? Why not just keep bobby or use ade? Coulthirst could have even been used.
Mason is an england international and bentaleb and dier are two hot prospects.

We lost and drew. Mostly through sloppy mistakes. We were not out played in eaither game and are above chelsea in the league. Every year fans think that buying a special player will be the difference. The difference for me will be when we get our players playing to their full abilities.

not itk, but your on fire tonight lilbaz (y)

everyone needs to chill levy has got this :whistle:

cliff jones · Aug 16, 2015

Lilbaz said:
Sorry but you might have missed the fact that we have signed 4 players, 3 well before the start of the season. But never let facts get in the way of a good rant hey?

have we improved our first team? im doubtful.

PT · Aug 16, 2015

daveduvet said:
What I also feel some fail to realise is that we on here are tracking every moment of every movement for players..we receive info at each stage of the ups and downs. We often compare ourselves to other clubs who 'supposedly' get sorted early: untrue. They ALSO have their ups & downs; fails & successes; however, naturally, we don't follow their processes... There's no logic in the mistaken belief that we 'leave things til the last moment', or 'we lo-ball on offers'. It's an effing market place; where businesses- football & players - are traded. Of course I want the best for spurs, as we all do. But, please people, let us make the lowly assumption that Levy et al also want the best for Spurs! Rant over; as we were

Daniel, is that you?

RuskyM · Aug 16, 2015

cliff jones said:
have we improved our first team? im doubtful.

i'd say alderweireld is an improvement, the other four are hard to tell

MyNameIsNicolaBerti · Aug 16, 2015

cliff jones said:
have we improved our first team? im doubtful.

The ITK says two more to come in. We've got five new players already, all of whom will need time to bed in.

I think it's probably more worthwhile asking this question at Christmas.

Jospur · Aug 16, 2015

Lilbaz said:
Sorry but you might have missed the fact that we have signed 4 players, 3 well before the start of the season. But never let facts get in the way of a good rant hey?

But are these 4 players going to have a major impact on our season or the first team? Alderweireld may be the only starter in the lot and how good is he really? Would he be starting for any of the other 'top five' teams? I'd say not. We've been dropping 'deadwood' all summer and that seemed on the cards from the off. So why is it that we still haven't signed any make-a-big-difference players? The competition has done so. And now ITK is saying that even Berahino may not get done. And how does he compare to the incomings at the 'top five' teams? He's no Sterling. He's no Benteke. Etc, etc, etc.

I just wish that we'd set our sights a little higher, a little earlier, and get the deal done. Better to buy one sure-fire starter than three that may or may not have an impact.

SpursDave88 · Aug 16, 2015

dk-yid said:
the state of being seriously mentally ill; madness OR extreme foolishness or irrationality.

Not seeing the link with your above post.

If however you are referring to the old quote wrongly attributed to Einstein; "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results" ... Still not seeing the link to your post.

You must be new here then...but to enlighten you, we have the same story almost every transfer window, when we constantly fail to back our managers or strengthen the team in the appropriate areas when necessary is it any wonder that we always fall short?

The difference this time is we no longer have the excuse of not being able to compete with the bigger fish...smaller and less glamorous clubs than us have been able to sign players that in my opinion would have improved us significantly.

Cabaye and Ayew were two players we have been linked to in the past, although they are not superstars they are superior to what we have and offer the attributes we were looking for. A pacy forward who can play wide and a centre mid with experience who can control a game and dictate play. I would be ok with our not signing these players if we have better, more appropriate options lined up, but as time goes on, compounded by a poor start to the season, if we are unable to secure said options, which is what we almost always end up doing, then the board and manager will look negligent.

I'm starting to think that the reason that we have cleared the decks of squad players is so that when our gamble to sign players out of our reach fails, the signing of low quality filler squad players will seem much more acceptable since our squad is now paper thin.

diamond lights · Aug 16, 2015

RuskyM said:
i'd say alderweireld is an improvement, the other four are hard to tell

I'd say Alli and Tripper will improve our first team over the next year or two as will Wimmer when his time comes

mckenz · Aug 16, 2015

Jospur said:
But are these 4 players going to have a major impact on our season or the first team? Alderweireld may be the only starter in the lot and how good is he really? Would he be starting for any of the other 'top five' teams? I'd say not. We've been dropping 'deadwood' all summer and that seemed on the cards from the off. So why is it that we still haven't signed any make-a-big-difference players? The competition has done so. And now ITK is saying that even Berahino may not get done. And how does he compare to the incomings at the 'top five' teams? He's no Sterling. He's no Benteke. Etc, etc, etc.

I just wish that we'd set our sights a little higher, a little earlier, and get the deal done. Better to buy one sure-fire starter than three that may or may not have an impact.

MOM in his first match away at Old Trafford

Alderweireld is one sure-fire starter

SpursDave88 · Aug 16, 2015

diamond lights said:
I'd say Alli and Tripper will improve our first team over the next year or two as will Wimmer when his time comes

Wimmer is getting nowhere near our first team in the near future, surely that is obvious...

cliff jones · Aug 16, 2015

RuskyM said:
i'd say alderweireld is an improvement, the other four are hard to tell

lets hope so. still on a downer with him for the pen yesterday, and really wanted us to mould dier in central defence. in truth njie couldnt be less effective than lamela, if indeed he is chosen on the right.

all i want is a bera though. cf is our crisis position.

i understand deals are difficult and would rather see more faith shown in bents, mase and alli than see another rash plan d purchase a la stambouli.

Lilbaz · Aug 16, 2015

Jospur said:
But are these 4 players going to have a major impact on our season or the first team? Alderweireld may be the only starter in the lot and how good is he really? Would he be starting for any of the other 'top five' teams? I'd say not. We've been dropping 'deadwood' all summer and that seemed on the cards from the off. So why is it that we still haven't signed any make-a-big-difference players? The competition has done so. And now ITK is saying that even Berahino may not get done. And how does he compare to the incomings at the 'top five' teams? He's no Sterling. He's no Benteke. Etc, etc, etc.

I just wish that we'd set our sights a little higher, a little earlier, and get the deal done. Better to buy one sure-fire starter than three that may or may not have an impact.

Are we going to have to start a game with a cb at rightback?
Are we going to have to use vertongen for everygame because we don't have an alternative lcb?
Will we be able to give kane a break and bring in someone who can score in the prem?

The first team will only be effective if it is relatively fresh. Also the window isn't closed yet. If berahino and a dm come in then it suddenly looks like a great window.

IGSpur · Aug 16, 2015

gerishep said:
I wonder what planB is for chelsea/manu and city and what level of player it is and shouldn't we have been going for their planB in the first place, assuming they are what we are looking for.

As others have said if say Berahino is their plan B, he will know he has a short career and back himself, therefore he will hold out and wait to see if those clubs do want him there is no need for him to rush his decision.

Hercules said:
That may be correct (Trix) but when we are already two strikers light, it is suicidal to be using that as a strategy. Waiting for the 'right moment' we do not have that luxury. Does not make any sense to me at all. Utter madness sorry to say.

We also don't have the luxury of throwing money around. What if WBA want 30m, we shouldn't pay that, but at the same time hey have someone we want. I'd rather put them in a position where they need to sell and we can get a player we want for a more suitable price than be raped for money. Especially when we only play with one up top anyway. The reason we need a 2nd striker is so Kane doesn't start every game Berahino wouldn't have played against Stoke. Additionally when people say just move onto another target, why get a substandard player for 3 games, who we don't really want, just to cover and come on for 80mins as if he will make a difference. We will all want him to be sold come next year. Or we can wait a couple of games for the player we want. It's not Levy's fault he has to work this way it is the League's.

Lilbaz · Aug 16, 2015

SpursDave88 said:
You must be new here then...but to enlighten you, we have the same story almost every transfer window, when we constantly fail to back our managers or strengthen the team in the appropriate areas when necessary is it any wonder that we always fall short.

The difference this time is we no longer have the excuse of not being able to compete with the bigger fish...smaller and less glamorous clubs than us have been able to sign player that in my opinion would have improved us significantly.

Cabaye and Ayew were two players we have been linked to in the past, although they are not superstars they are superior to what we have and offer the attributes we were looking for. A pacy forward who can play wide and a centre mid with experience who can control a game and dictate play. I would be ok with our not signing these players if we have better, more appropriate options lined up, but as time goes on, compounded by a poor start to the season, if we are unable to secure said options, which is what we almost always end up doing, then the board and manager will look negligent.

I'm starting to think that the reason that we have cleared the decks of squad players is so that when our gamble to sign players out of our reach fails, the signing of low quality filler squad players will seem much more acceptable since our squad is now paper thin.

You say we don't back the manager. Have you ever thought it was the manager who didn't want those players you mentioned?

Also man utd are dying for another striker.
Chelsea want to bring in stones.

If the deals are so easy why is it taking them so long?

smudger · Aug 16, 2015

Jospur said:
But are these 4 players going to have a major impact on our season or the first team? Alderweireld may be the only starter in the lot and how good is he really? Would he be starting for any of the other 'top five' teams? I'd say not. We've been dropping 'deadwood' all summer and that seemed on the cards from the off. So why is it that we still haven't signed any make-a-big-difference players? The competition has done so. And now ITK is saying that even Berahino may not get done. And how does he compare to the incomings at the 'top five' teams? He's no Sterling. He's no Benteke. Etc, etc, etc.

I just wish that we'd set our sights a little higher, a little earlier, and get the deal done. Better to buy one sure-fire starter than three that may or may not have an impact.

and there lies the problem, we aren't going to or should we paying £49 or £32 mill on players like that, they are paying over the odds and thats why they can get them in so early. we are now buying potential and letting the team grow, we've tried spending big and look where that got us, the trouble with a lot of our fans is we are always after quick fixes and big money spent well im sorry to say we haven't got a russian billionaire or arab bank rolling us, so the only way we are gonna compete is to build over time whether we like it or not. we have a new stadium being built which will help but its gonna take time and knee jerk reactions wont help, people saying about wimmer and tripper, alli etc MAY have been the same people laughing and slating bale back in the day, lets just wait and see how poch does, dont forget we came 5th last year and still have that team in place with toby added and whoever comes in.

keep the faith its exciting the times

Parkie · Aug 16, 2015

We have two weeks to get the players in.

We do not know the time that it takes for other clubs to get their targets in - we just know that we have been working on these deals because we are listening to ITK and have an idea of how long the deals have been coming. Other clubs probably take the same amount of time and suffer the same setbacks but we don't see their versions of the ITK hand-wringing, just see the end product and assume that they magic the deals out of thin air.

That said, with some deals, there has to be the point where you pay the value of the player: Berahino is clearly worth investing in - if only to save Kane from burnout - and it may well be time to offer what is needed even though there are factors that could make him cheaper in a couple of weeks time.

Jospur · Aug 16, 2015

mckenz said:
MOM in his first match away at Old Trafford

Alderweireld is one sure-fire starter

He may have been - but how was he against Stoke. I don't really want to say that Alderweireld is a poor player. I just don't think he'd be a starter at any if the top five -and that's who we're trying to beat. ITK talks of good incomings. I'm just hoping that these will be notch-above players that would be able to win a starting berth at any of the 'top five' teams.

Lilbaz · Aug 16, 2015

Parkie said:
We have two weeks to get the players in.

We do not know the time that it takes for other clubs to get their targets in - we just know that we have been working on these deals because we are listening to ITK and have an idea of how long the deals have been coming. Other clubs probably take the same amount of time and suffer the same setbacks but we don't see their versions of the ITK hand-wringing, just see the end product and assume that they magic the deals out of thin air.

That said, with some deals, there has to be the point where you pay the value of the player: Berahino is clearly worth investing in - if only to save Kane from burnout - and it may well be time to offer what is needed even though there are factors that could make him cheaper in a couple of weeks time.

All the itk points at the hold up for berahino is the man city interest. We can't do anything about that. City can beat any bid we put in and west brom know that.
So we wait and hopefully city bugger off.
We might put feelers out for alternatives in the meantime and have signed njie so there is no rush just yet.
Just fans panicking.

smudger · Aug 16, 2015

Jospur said:
He may have been - but how was he against Stoke. I don't really want to say that Alderweireld is a poor player. I just don't think he'd be a starter at any if the top five -and that's who we're trying to beat. ITK talks of good incomings. I'm just hoping that these will be notch-above players that would be able to win a starting berth at any of the 'top five' teams.

gotta be carefull as dont want a ban....... but he's better than smalling,jones,blind lovren,skretel, mangala, de michelles to name a few

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