The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 1st September 2015 DEADLINE DAY!

King of the Lane · Sep 1, 2015

kdem said:
Yes, some of us are. That's what we wanted, right? A good academy? Something that could produce first team quality players?

Well we have some, why don't we use them?

Your "examples" are absolutely silly at best. Would I have liked a shiny new DM and CF? Yes. Do I think we have options in the squad that can perform there until we can bring in the *right* players? Yes.

Why that is so hard for some people to come to terms with boggles the mind. It's not like we're going to turn into Barcelona and challenge for the League overnight with those two signings. We'd be better, sure, but we'd go from 10 points out of 4th to 4 points out of 4th.

My examples are what posters have said on here. My point is that we are a team who want to challenge for 4th but we have played the market like a team challenging for 8th-10th.

I'm all for giving youngsters a chance and developing an academy but we need experience in our team as well and decent back up options. We are massively short on options no matter how anyone tries to spin it.

KenTHFC · Sep 1, 2015

Days like this you stand up and applaud Newcastle fans. They saw how bad things were there (way worse than here I know) and voted with their feet and regularly protested Ashley and the board. Don't see our lot actually doing something like this, no, we sheeple at the Lane will pay crazy money to watch shite and boo at the end.

Newcastle survived at the skin of their teeth last year but this year they'll finish I think between 14th - 9th because they've bought some very cheap good players. The protests actually forced the club to spend some money that Sky and BT are basically throwing at the Prem. (BTW, where's our share gone Levy? New stadium? Bullshit. You split basically the £100 mil we get a year in half and put it all in the stadium fund. Leaves a good £50mil to spend on reinforcing the team and hopefully improving our league position, don't see that happening this year)

Mbemba and Wijnaldum spring to mind. For all this BS about this mysterious 'black box' and how we actually have scouts now, how the hell didn't they see this? Didn't expect every link to be an unknown gem but FFS they were in Holland(good league that produces good for value, technical players and cheap) and Belgium (awesome for youth). Isn't this where we're meant to be finding players? Not just chucking in FIFA 15 and saying 'oh Berahino gets good, get him and also Wanyama has good defending stats, him too'.
So disappointed, I feel for Poch and Harry

SamR · Sep 1, 2015

Yes we have the same players that got us 5th last year (CM mostly talking about here), but that doesn't account for every other team below us going out and strengthening, some significantly actually.

I really think others have closed the gap in quality on us. We have to hope everyone stays fit and the new boys hit the ground running or it will be squeaky bum time this season.

spurs mental · Sep 1, 2015

EnfieldYiddo said:
Also if we're so skint that we have to penny pinch, why didn't we pick up the likes of Ayew early in the window on a free?

There was value to be had this summer... We spent far too long chasing targets that at the end of the day, we just weren't willing to cough up for.

Levy all over.

Ayew has had 4 good games.

Judge everything at the end of the season. Then we can point fingers at who we think is to blame for failure or otherwise.

max cady · Sep 1, 2015

have a little faith in the team guys.

Drexl · Sep 1, 2015

And we bid for Wanyama LESS than Saints paid for him

You couldn't make it up

topper · Sep 1, 2015

eddiev14 said:
I agree there is no guarantee of success but isn't paying £20m for a guy with one season in the EPL even riskier?

Also, if we've got this brilliant new scouting network then shouldn't we be trusting it?

The old argument: What happens if we take a risk vs what happens if we don't

Just look at the business Swansea and Southampton have done in recent years, by boxing smart. The idea that we are too big a club to do that is peddled out ('we're going for a higher calibre of player') but it's a nonsense.

I think you're bang on - Swansea and Saints are our competition these days. I do worry whether we can keep s good enough team together to fill the new stadium with our current strategy - can't use Arsenal as a comparison as they went into the Emirates with a side virtually guaranteed to deliver Champions League. Sadly we won't be able to without upfront player investment of a quality that is beyond our budget.

PhezTHFC · Sep 1, 2015

I am gutted for us and struggling to get my head round why we always do this but we can only look to the future people and pray it pays off with njie and son am afraid.

Am also just waiting for tomorrow's thread on @Stoof and his balls he has lost (n)

King of the Lane · Sep 1, 2015

Stoof said:
No no no, they're wing forwards. Which means they have to start out on the touchline before doing the bits that makes them a striker. They're really different roles.

They actually are....Pato for example has been quoted as saying he doesnt have the physicality to play CF but thinks he is very good as a WF where he gets more space etc.

I won't continue to cry about it in here though as my 18,000 posts since 6pm is over doing it lol

cookiemonster · Sep 1, 2015

keithtighe93 said:
'48 hours'

'overdraft'

lessons have been learned'

'we are confident'

'deal is difficult'

'ran out of time'

Next window

" lesson have been learnt"

" do our business early"

repeat ad nasuem

piedpiper · Sep 1, 2015

EnfieldYiddo said:
Also if we're so skint that we have to penny pinch, why didn't we pick up the likes of Ayew early in the window on a free?

There was value to be had this summer... We spent far too long chasing targets that at the end of the day, we just weren't willing to cough up for.

Levy all over.

Please just stop making so much sense. Another x2 winner rating.

Singaspursofsixspence · Sep 1, 2015

max cady said:
have a little faith in the team guys.

I do. It's the owners and the management I fear

RobjDerby · Sep 1, 2015

Not the failure to sign him that grates, is the same story repeated last minute poor negotiations that piss me off, the wasted matches and missed points on the field.

I don't blame us for not being held to ransom for a player that was unsettled and almost out of contract, but make a
Decision early and pursue other options instead of the same all eggs in one basket nonsense.

Let's remember WBA have been the idiots going public on this, the 25m asking price is media speculation, can't imagine we were far off what was asked and from JPs statement it feels to me like he wouldn't have sold to us regardless in the end.

The squad is still much the same as last years 5th, we didn't play Soldado or Ade anyway. New flexible forward and midfield players have been signed and we have a youthful core squad.

Let's remember all this before getting too carried away. Frustrated Yes. Defeated No

COYS

SEANSPURS1975 · Sep 1, 2015

Not surprised in the slightest.
Sold down the river by the great big fraud Levy. We all hoped/prayed it would be different this time. We are all made to look like mugs. Again. The sad/frustrating/annoying thing is that we are only a couple of players away from having a top team/squad. But we are now criminally short in crucial areas. He has let our young manager down big time. We've had since MAY to sort this!! FFS. This has happened on his watch time and time again. Lessons never ever get learnt. We are going nowhere with this man in charge of our club. He's had 14 years, he's failed. Time to give someone else a go.
Levy Out.

CoopsieDeadpool · Sep 1, 2015

Fucking hell, talk about wrist slashers unite!!

What other strikers did we have last season that actually produced anything?

Unless I'm mistaken, we've improved the attacking players at our disposal (could they be any worse?)

We've improved the defence that was so bloody leaky last season.

Our young squad is now a year older, and a year more mature.

Have we all got what we want? Probably not, but what's the point in acting like a spoilt little brat who didn't get the shiny toy that daddy promised you?

Christ there's actually things in the world that are worth getting so animated & worked up about

yido-1989 · Sep 1, 2015

Best window ever...

Drexl · Sep 1, 2015

Levy has burned so many bridges with fellow chairmen and with agents they just see him coming a mile off now, I doubt there is a single chairman now who would not love to punch his lights out, its damaging to the club long term too

nedley · Sep 1, 2015

Tony Dean said:
Win our next PL match and all this will be a distant memory

Lose and.....

Ndombers · Sep 1, 2015

Gutted. Annoyed for thinking it would be any different.

3 points from 12, boos ringing out at WHL in our 2nd game of the season. A very real possibility that things go pear shaped for Poch very quickly and we get an AVB repeat.

Fuck Daniel Levy, ****.

TheAmerican · Sep 1, 2015

HobbitSpur said:
I am not all doom and gloom.

According to reports we made first contact to get SB 4 months ago. IMHO I do not think the net spend was an issue, and I would rather that we did not just pay what Chairman want for players. We do not know what the final figures being touted for Peace were, and in the scheme of things we have not had league) aa bad Transfer Window.

Son could be a star, Trippier is a good signing and N'jie could be exciting.

We also do not know what formation Poch is going to play. We have Kane, Chadli contributed last season, Son has shown he can score (albeit in another league) and looking at the games at Stoke and v Everton we have shown that players like Mason are not scared to get forward and contribute to the goal tally.

Yes I would have lover to get SB, but we dealt with a chairman who wasn't going to deal.

It is impossible to say how this Transfer Window was, lets hold judgement till Christmas at the very earliest and see how the team is developing.

I honestly think we'd be better off moving into a 4-3-3 now, when looking at where we have depth, in what positions.

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