Michel Vorm

Ribble · Feb 23, 2016

bobbof said:
He got away from Swansea because he was about to become backup there as well. Did he really think he had a better chance against Lloris?

At the time, after a long injury layoff, it was more like he was going to be third choice behind Tremmell and Flappyhandski.

Unless we do something like nab Victor Valdes for f-all in the summer (and really who'd be overly surprised to see Pep do that instead?) I don't really see where we'd get a better no.2 to sit behind Lloris.

eViL · Feb 23, 2016

You can't expect a keeper that's been sitting on the bench for every game to just start showing Premier League level form out of the box for the odd appearance.

If you want to see an example of a shit keeper go watch some Rob Green or even Ian Walker videos.

EZSpur · Feb 23, 2016

eViL said:
You can't expect a keeper that's been sitting on the bench for every game to just start showing Premier League level form out of the box for the odd appearance.

If you want to see an example of a shit keeper go watch some Rob Green or even Ian Walker videos.

Spot on!
I actually think Vorm's a good keeper, but he's always going to struggle to hold his place against someone like Lloris - Hugo is simply on another level.
Plus, its a really tough one to call, in order for Vorm to perform well he needs games, but the further we progress the more likely Hugo will step back into the frame.

danielneeds · Feb 23, 2016

He's not terrible - he's just been very jittery ever since he came. It kind of spreads through the defence.

Would rather get a young, fearless, up and coming keeper or a really, really experienced keeper who's able to come in if needed and is calm and sure of himself.

tooey · Feb 23, 2016

You won't find a better keeper who's willing to play less than 10 games a season. He's not a bad keeper by any stretch and as I said last week he's clearly well liked and professional which counts for a lot in Poch's over-arcing philosophy.

EZSpur · Feb 23, 2016

danielneeds said:
He's not terrible - he's just been very jittery ever since he came. It kind of spreads through the defence.

Would rather get a young, fearless, up and coming keeper or a really, really experienced keeper who's able to come in if needed and is calm and sure of himself.

I just feel anyone who is going to play 2nd fiddle and gets very little game time will suffer the same as Vorm currently is.
Regardless of whether they're young and hungry, or experienced, they simply won't get a run of games where they can correct any mistakes they make.

danielneeds · Feb 23, 2016

EZSpur said:
I just feel anyone who is going to play 2nd fiddle and gets very little game time will suffer the same as Vorm currently is.
Regardless of whether they're young and hungry, or experienced, they simply won't get a run of games where they can correct any mistakes they make.

An older keeper with loads of medals would be less likely to be bothered by my making mistake as Vorm seems to be. There are loads of examples of very reliable back up keepers.

SugarRay · Feb 23, 2016

Vorm is a good back up keeper.

Thing is, I don't ever want to see anyone other than Hugo in goal for us. The drop off in class is massive. Same with Alderweireld, who is the best centre half in the league at the moment. People talk about Kane, Dier and Alli, but these two have been sheer class this season bar perhaps a game each.

Saoirse · Feb 23, 2016

Vorm is a good keeper, no doubt. He is not however a good back-up. He's unreliable, lacks confidence, and has poor concentration which sees him make critical mistakes even after playing well such as in the defeat to Leicester in the cup last season. I appreciate it's a hard position to fill but we should definitely be on the lookout for a replacement.

Shadydan · Feb 23, 2016

You'll not going to find a good back up keeper, the good back up keepers are normally first choice for other clubs.

mattie g · Feb 23, 2016

mattbrakeuk said:
You won't find a better keeper who's willing to play less than 10 games a season. He's not a bad keeper by any stretch and as I said last week he's clearly well liked and professional which counts for a lot in Poch's over-arcing philosophy.

Bang on the money.

spursgirls · Feb 23, 2016

danielneeds said:
An older keeper with loads of medals would be less likely to be bothered by my making mistake as Vorm seems to be. There are loads of examples of very reliable back up keepers.

Bring back Brad? ;-)

danielneeds · Feb 23, 2016

spursgirls said:
Bring back Brad? ;-)

Something like that, but maybe 34-35 rather than 45!

wishkah · Feb 24, 2016

danielneeds said:
Something like that, but maybe 34-35 rather than 45!

He's been around so long his son should be around...30? by now? sign him up!

Also as a side point and main point of my post. I love Brad and what he can bring as a coach.

Luka Van der Bale · Feb 24, 2016

I don't really know what people are expecting from a backup goalkeeper to be honest. Willy has been appalling every time he's pulled on a Man City shirt. Romero and Ospina are certainly no better than Vorm. Fuck, Mignolet and Bogdan are BOTH worse than Vorm. Of the big sides I can only think of Begovic as a preferable alternative, and it's yet to be seen whether he's entirely suited to the in-out nature of being a backup goalkeeper. Not to mention he's already said to be unhappy with his role at Chelsea. Fuck knows what he was expecting.

Borks · Feb 24, 2016

Luka Van der Bale said:
I don't really know what people are expecting from a backup goalkeeper to be honest. Willy has been appalling every time he's pulled on a Man City shirt. Romero and Ospina are certainly no better than Vorm. Fuck, Mignolet and Bogdan are BOTH worse than Vorm. Of the big sides I can only think of Begovic as a preferable alternative, and it's yet to be seen whether he's entirely suited to the in-out nature of being a backup goalkeeper. Not to mention he's already said to be unhappy with his role at Chelsea. Fuck knows what he was expecting.

Exactly. Other than Valdes, not one name has been put forward as a viable alternative and I'm not even sure Valdes is any good anymore.

yankspurs · Feb 24, 2016

wishkah said:
He's been around so long his son should be around...30? by now? sign him up!

Also as a side point and main point of my post. I love Brad and what he can bring as a coach.

Wrt Brad, I think the club sees a few other benefits besides just the US presence by keeping him around the club in the ambassadorial role. I wouldnt be surprised if they are keeping an eye on how he does with the US u19 team. If he does well, they might try to turn that ambassadorial role into a coaching role in the academy. I mean, he was coaching a bit for the academy while still being part of the first team. So it's not out of the question that my theory is the case.

On Vorm, I think he would probably be starting for at least 8 other clubs in the league. Maybe half. He's a decent keeper. Not a bad back up. Just prone to mistakes. The drop off from Hugo is just so huge that it does him no favors in the fans eyes since we're so used to watch one of the best keepers in football game in and game out.

agrdavidsfan · Feb 25, 2016

So many misguided opinions in here as I have stated on here many times

Vorm was never going to become third choice at Swansea he had a bad knee injury Swansea knew this he lost some of his reach and agility and while he was injured gained a lot more muscle. He also lost a bit of his spring Swanseas sports therapists realised this and due to him not being biggest and his age they thought it would get worse.

Vorm was also pissed that a) they didn't let him join Liverpool after Rodgers went b) when Arsenal enquired after his first season they were also told no due to a fee due to Utrecht.

Swansea at board level have an excellent relationship with us we needed a second keeper vorm knew and accepts his role with us and his happy to carry it out he's a top class keeper that's always been at his best with a settled defence and run of games.

All goalkeepers and defences need time and games to build relationships it's a unit.

He was only a few appearances off an automatic wage rise and contract extension he was one of Swanseas highest earners so due to doubts about his fitness they were happy to let him go us as they were desperate to get Gylfi back.

kungfugrip · Feb 25, 2016

Tricky one this. I think Vorm is better than he's showed and it's tricky when you're playing very sporadically. We were spoilt for a while when we had Cudicini as back up. He also let in one or two dodgy ones, but bossed the defence and organised things really well. I just don't see that confidence with Vorm. Plus, he's surprisingly short. Happy to keep him, but we should always be on the lookout for an upgrade if he's out there.

mano-obe · Feb 25, 2016

We've had some half decent alternatives down the years. Baardsen, Cerny, Cudicini, Friedel. I've not really seen Vorm have a great game for us really but when you're blessed with one of the best goalies in the league it's difficult to be very fond of our backup.

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