Chelsea sign Michy Batshuayi

Bobbins · Jun 30, 2016

King of Otters said:
Nothing official has been said, but there has been plenty of reliable itk and respectable media outlets reporting that he's been a long standing target, one, moreover, that we had a personal agreement with to join us this summer. One report from a local French newspaper today, with no agenda to pursue that I'm aware of, was quite clear that we not only had an agreement with the player but with the club aswell, and that Levy failed to close the deal. It wouldn't be the first time he dicked around with the signing of potentially world class talent, just ask Aubemeyang.

Brilliant, a French newspaper "with no agenda to push" - because newspapers never make shit up to sell copies/get clicks, right? If that story had been in the Sun you'd have dismissed it out of hand (and been right to do so). :LOL:

Aside from all that, the fact remains that the club has "led" you absolutely nowhere, and not "let you down" in any way either - everything you're angry about is as a result of your own assumptions, that's all. You have no evidence that "Levy failed to close the deal" - an assumption once again.

Of course even if it were all true, Chelsea coming in with 100% of the money up front (which we haven't got) and offering the player twice as much money per week would've sealed the deal under any circumstances anyway - just like the Willian deal. If they really wanted him our interest instantly becomes irrelevant.

I don't mind assumptions, I don't mind coming to your own conclusions - but blaming the club for leading you on and then letting you down when they've done no such thing is hilarious.

chinaman · Jun 30, 2016

gazzeh said:
Janssen or sanabria matey?

I'll be thankful for either.

cliff jones · Jun 30, 2016

am_yisrael_chai said:
Most of those played in a partnership which is very different in terms of workload. I for one don't want Kane run into the ground and looking at our transfer rumours it would appear Poch doesn't either.

No team may have 2 players for each position but they strive for it. At the bigger teams they get distracted by the Galactico effect, Poch is cleverer than that.

After 64 games and a marketing commitment to go to Australia and wherever next after that, Kane needs some sort of a break. When the Sky analysts looked at the number of his sprints and top speeds towards the end of his first big season there was clearly a drop off. The analysis was prompted by a mini goal drought. Strikers thrive on goals, not on being run into the ground, ha.

If Kane is being compared to the best strikers in recent history, we could bring up Barca and Real who both have three world class goal getters. If one is out, needs a rest then the other two can deliver without an obvious dropping off in goal threat of team performance. But talk of the very best isn't that relevant to our cause.

We need to buy a striker who can lead the line on his own, given the system we play. and he must have presence, pace and hold up play to allow us to play the same way when Kane ain't on the pitch. That's why Bats would have been ideal, such a shame. I quite like Sakho, Wilson and Ighalo. Even Long or Pelle, or Benteke, if he'd take a wage cut, I feel could be motivated by Poch to do this job. I'd rather these battle ready types than some Paraguayan geezer.

THFCSPURS19 · Jun 30, 2016

cliff jones said:
I quite like Sakho, Wilson and Ighalo. Even Long or Pelle, or Benteke, if he'd take a wage cut, I feel could be motivated by Poch to do this job.

Jesus fucking Christ.

Jospur · Jun 30, 2016

THFCSPURS19 said:
Jesus fucking Christ.

Yes? You called...

Jospur · Jun 30, 2016

Bobbins said:
Lol in what way exactly has the club 'led you on' about this transfer? I can't remember all the official statements coming out from Poch and the club declaring our intent to buy him, can you?

Maybe it's a case of the fans letting themselves down by basing their opinions on absolutely zero evidence and absolutely zero knowledge about what's going on, the clubs intentions, Poch's wishes - in fact anything at all. Because they don't know. But then deciding they do know what's happening and what the manager wants, and forming opinions based on stuff they've made up.

Maybe some Spurs fans have been reading ITK on here and believing what has been said. Or are you saying that the ITK on Batshuayi has been meaningless and groundless?

Bobbins · Jun 30, 2016

Jospur said:
Maybe some Spurs fans have been reading ITK on here and believing what has been said. Or are you saying that the ITK on Batshuayi has been meaningless and groundless?

Did I mention ITK? Or did I contend the statement that the CLUB has been leading people on and letting them down?

Do you think the club deliberately leaks ITK to lead people on?

Jospur · Jun 30, 2016

Bobbins said:
Did I mention ITK? Or did I contend the statement that the CLUB has been leading people on and letting them down?

Do you think the club deliberately leaks ITK to lead people on?

Of course not. But Spurs fans in this forum have been led to believe that people 'in the know' - presumably connected to the Club in some way - have said that Batshuayi was a major target. Indeed I believe that Pochettino himself confirmed the Club's interest in the player.

It's such a shame that if negotiations have been going on for six months, and the coach has indicated interest in the player, that Levy has not been able to make the potential deal a reality.

In a way this reminds me of the Musacchio debacle when it seems we were (once again) in serious negotiations and the deal failed to materialize in the end - for a reason that should/could have been apparent at the earliest stages of contact.

These 'failures' to make things happen seem to happen on a regular basis.

It's frustrating!

Flashspur · Jun 30, 2016

sparx100 said:
Agreed. Just want to see us address a definite light area with someone better than Shane Long or Berahino

Now there's a thought

leemason2302 · Jun 30, 2016

Really don't want to flog a dead horse.. But am i correct in saying, bats is the only player poch has actually spoken about wanting? He doesn't usually but im sure in an interview at the end of the season bats was mentioned.

jonnboy · Jun 30, 2016

This a dead thread now , he's off to Chelsea what's the point in dissecting every detail on iffs and buts.
Move on to the next target .
COYS

Glengoyne · Jun 30, 2016

People really need to stop fixating on ITK and general paper gossip. No one have a f****ing clue what Levy and Posh plans are or how the discussion go depending on how talks with clubs and players turn out.

We can have opinions on the rumored players but there is a reason we are fans and not managers....we do not have all the facts. There are no signings that are the sure thing, history have proof of that Veron, Falcao, van der Meyde, Marlet, etc.

Is Batshuayi a talent? Yes he is!
Will he be a success in the PL? How the f**k can we answer that question?
Is he worth € 40 mil and £ 100,000 a week? Absolutely not!
Now let's all just move on..

It is your personal choice to believe itk and paper gossip. If a deal does not go the way you want do not blame Levy or anyone else for failing, blame yourself for making assumption based on everything except hard facts.

Now lets sign Zlatan, Lewandowski & Varane!!!

Trix · Jun 30, 2016

gazzeh said:
Janssen or sanabria matey?

Janssen

Metalhead · Jun 30, 2016

Jospur said:
Of course not. But Spurs fans in this forum have been led to believe that people 'in the know' - presumably connected to the Club in some way - have said that Batshuayi was a major target. Indeed I believe that Pochettino himself confirmed the Club's interest in the player.

It's such a shame that if negotiations have been going on for six months, and the coach has indicated interest in the player, that Levy has not been able to make the potential deal a reality.

In a way this reminds me of the Musacchio debacle when it seems we were (once again) in serious negotiations and the deal failed to materialize in the end - for a reason that should/could have been apparent at the earliest stages of contact.

These 'failures' to make things happen seem to happen on a regular basis.

It's frustrating!

It is somewhat exacerbated by these threads though. Not saying for a minute that we were never interested in Batshuayi but people get so emotionally invested in these players without any concrete evidence that they are a target that whether or not the club were ever interested or despite the possibility that they could be any one of a number of targets, some of whom we might not even be privy to, people get frustrated at the club when all these rumours are beyond their control.

King of Otters · Jun 30, 2016

Bobbins said:
Brilliant, a French newspaper "with no agenda to push" - because newspapers never make shit up to sell copies/get clicks, right? If that story had been in the Sun you'd have dismissed it out of hand (and been right to do so).

Aside from all that, the fact remains that the club has "led" you absolutely nowhere, and not "let you down" in any way either - everything you're angry about is as a result of your own assumptions, that's all. You have no evidence that "Levy failed to close the deal" - an assumption once again.

Of course even if it were all true, Chelsea coming in with 100% of the money up front (which we haven't got) and offering the player twice as much money per week would've sealed the deal under any circumstances anyway - just like the Willian deal. If they really wanted him our interest instantly becomes irrelevant.

I don't mind assumptions, I don't mind coming to your own conclusions - but blaming the club for leading you on and then letting you down when they've done no such thing is hilarious.

Calm down. I'm not angry at anyone, the 'even in the transfer world Spurs lead you to let down' was a tongue in cheek comment, one you've jumped on with a level of 'anger' that I don't believe I've displayed anywhere else in this thread.

My point with the local French newspaper, one you've missed quite spectacularly, is that they have no agenda against Spurs or Levy that I'm aware of. Their interest is far more likely to reside chiefly with Marseilles, making their insight into our failure to close the transfer noteworthy, at the very least.

Of course you're going to shoot that down because it doesn't fit your own assumptions/blind faith, that whatever went wrong with this transfer,, it certainly wasn't anything to do with Dear Leader. The fact that you've even gone as far as to claim we may not have been interested in the transfer at all, ever, demonstrates just how far you're willing to go in that pursuit.

Bobbins · Jun 30, 2016

I'm not even slightly angry :LOL:

Everlasting Seconds · Jun 30, 2016

It would be better if we all could accept that it's at least not beyond the realm of possibility that somebody messed up.

Archibald&Crooks · Jun 30, 2016

Everlasting Seconds said:
It would be better if we all could accept that it's at least not beyond the realm of possibility that somebody messed up.

I think quite a few people would agree. But its when it comes to naming names that you'd be argued with.

They'd fight you naked in a vat of baked beans with nothing but a left hand twix for a weapon if you named a certain person.

I cannot say who 'they' are i'm afraid*.........

*blinks three times

k33pster · Jun 30, 2016

Lots of comments on Levy not paying the fee, blah blah blah. Same old "tight Levy" money focused nonsense.

Reality is apparently the fee was north of £30m, allegedly Batshuayi wanted £100k a week. 5 year deal takes the total outlay to £55m. That is before considering agent fees and the wage rises the rest of our squad would then demand to have pay parity.

It is a massive outlay on someone who has talent, but is currently still inconsistent and unproven in PL.

Poch spoke about finding value, being smart, in the transfer market. What is smart about spunking £55m minimum on Batshuayi?

We are spending circa £700m on a stadium. We cannot afford to gamble £50m+ on ONE player.

dagraham · Jun 30, 2016

Everlasting Seconds said:
It would be better if we all could accept that it's at least not beyond the realm of possibility that somebody messed up.

Agree. Just because JJ has come in with a rosy outlook doesn't mean that it's not the club making the best of a bad situation. He is only passing on what he hears from our end.

Of course on the flip side, we genuinely could have cooled our interest months ago. Although if that is the case then I find it strange that we haven't tried to wrap up the Jansenn deal earlier.

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