Why are we so hated???

Gassin's finest · May 9, 2017

Regarding the London clubs, that "hatred" should be self explanatory. Southampton we have historically raided them for Hoddle, Dean Richards, Gareth Bale, Pochettino and Mitchell... I imagine they're a bit fed up of us. Leicester are a midlands club with no clear rival, so they hate everyone.

To be honest though, on the whole I'd say footy fans in this country don't hate us, they're just not bothered by us. We've not been relevant to the football zeitgeist for at least 30 years. As one geordie lad I used to know from Uni, up in Newcastle, said; "Aye, Tottenham... they're alright, not done much for a while though have you?"

shelfmonkey · May 9, 2017

Riandor said:
What @DEFchenkOE said.
Essentially, unless you talk to fans from the 1960's/80's, Spurs have been inconsistent, a cup team at best. Most fans now, especially online are Premier League era fans and Tottenham are not considered a top team, yet us as fans have been "passionate/guilty" of living off our past and wanting to be treated as such by other fans.

That's just not how it works. We laugh at Liverpool's increasing irrelevances, and yes, RAWK is one very good example of the delusion, but are we any better? I like to think that on SC we are are a pretty moderate lot, knowing our weaknesses, but valid in praising our strengths. But other sites/certain fans do go full RAWK and we have next to nothing trophy wise in the EPL era to warrant it.

This simply will not change until we win more trophies. 2nd gets you a pat on the back, but sticking a couple of fingers up at Arsenal and Man Utd etc, earns us nothing but contempt amongst the majority of fans who are, a little frustrated at not being better than us, but who can "rightly" say "yeah but where are your trophies?".

I for one am extatic at how we are progressing, but I will do my utmost to remain humble, because 2nd is no trophy, no FA Cup, it's just a bloody good season. Reasons to be proud, but not to brag (not that I am a massive fan of bragging, but without silverware its worse!).

Ecstatic. Tut Tut tut!

hughy · May 9, 2017

Quite simple for me. Arsenal, Chelsea and West Ham see us as their biggest rivals so the hate will be natural there. Liverpool, Everton and Southampton are jealous of us, and therefore hate us because of that.

I think City and United are the only clubs that rarely have anything bad to say about us.

JonnySpurs · May 9, 2017

I dont really see us as a club that is hated. Obviously there are a few clubs that dislike us for obvious reasons.....

Arsenal - Local rivals.
Chelsea - I think they hate us just because we hate them so much since Abramovich took over but before that I don't recall much of a rivalry. Could be wrong on that though, not sure how far back it goes.
West Ham - they hate us cos they don't really have a local rival and therefore latched onto us. I think we just find them annoying but they're too insignificant to care about. Sad twats.
Southampton - cos we took players and managers in the past. We don't hate them though, it's a one way thing.
Leicester - Just cos we beat them in the league cup final that one time? I personally hate them because I just hated those O'Neill teams that didn't play much football but managed to beat us anyway. Also cos I still don't believe they deserved the title last season.

Can't really think of any others. Obviously there's the odd fan from other clubs but on the whole I'd say we're not THAT hated.

Media - I think to some extent we think the media hate us but I dont think they do really. The media love the traditional top clubs (Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool - now includes City) and because we've broken the mould a bit by being good mainly from good coaching and not big money being spent on big flashy signings, that's not as much fun for them to get all excited about and rave about.

It's all good though, our day is coming very soon and i'm gonna drink it right down when it does.

CockOnBall · May 9, 2017

We're a bit unfortunate as West Ham and Chelsea do not have a local rival worth hating.

West Ham hate Millwall but they're rarely in the same league. If they were, I am sure their hatred for us would subside a bit as their first thought would that game when the fixtures come out. Chelsea have Brentford, QPR and Fulham. QPR fans hate them but again, the gap between the two sides is so vast, it's worth their bother.

I don't know why those two sides have latched on to us. UTD are probably the most hated team in the land but is there another club that has THREE PL sides who would class them as their biggest rival? Two of which are top 6 sides? It certainly makes our task of winning something in the league that much more harder.

sunnydelight786 · May 9, 2017

As others have said it comes down to the mouthing off our fans do with sod all to show for it. A quick look on twitter will show you THFC fans crowing about finishing above LFC/AFC yet you win no trophy for that.

Everyone is different so celebrate how you please but I don't see finishing 2nd in PL, beaten comfortably by your London rival in a FA cup semi, knocked out early in LC by another underachieving team with aspirations of being big and embarrassed in both CL/EL as an achievement to mouth off about. But plenty do on social media and that is what gets other fans backs up. Until we start winning trophies on a regular basis to back off our gobbing then this universal hatred will continue.

mark87 · May 9, 2017

I know a Southampton fan who despises us. He thinks we stole their way of playing football and being run as a football club, also thinks we steal their songs ffs.

I think it's also to do with them as fans can't understand why managers and players would wanna leave them for us and it irritates the hell out of them because it has happened so often, I think they feel we aren't a bigger club than them and it's fairly level, but don't mind when a bigger club like Liverpool comes along and takes their players because those players deserve to go to a club like Liverpool and not us.

SpursDave88 · May 9, 2017

sunnydelight786 said:
As others have said it comes down to the mouthing off our fans do with sod all to show for it. A quick look on twitter will show you THFC fans crowing about finishing above LFC/AFC yet you win no trophy for that.

Everyone is different so celebrate how you please but I don't see finishing 2nd in PL, beaten comfortably by your London rival in a FA cup semi, knocked out early in LC by another underachieving team with aspirations of being big and embarrassed in both CL/EL as an achievement to mouth off about. But plenty do on social media and that is what gets other fans backs up. Until we start winning trophies on a regular basis to back off our gobbing then this universal hatred will continue.

I agree somewhat...

I don't think we act up or boast at all about not winning things...so that's nonsense for a start.

Firstly it is about proximity... West Ham hate us for a number of reasons:

Firstly, of the three other London PL teams, Chelsea and Arsenal have general been on a different planet to them, we have just been better than them so it is a comparable.

Second, they are supported by white working class racist types. Brexit voters and xenophobes who have always hated Jews. Given Tottenham's historical association with North London's Jewish community it is hardly surprising that they hate us.

Finally we are the closest PL team to them by proximity.

Arsenal is a traditional local rivalry.

Chelsea hate us for the same reason West Ham do, again it's traditional anti-semitism in the main, coupled with the fact Arsenal, until the last decade have mostly been far better than them.

Given the amount of hate we get from opposing fans, I think it's fine for us to bite back.

CockOnBall · May 9, 2017

Re: The media

They cater for the biggest audiences so pick legends from the most supported teams. Because we've been so trophy starved over the last 30 years, we don't have as big a fanbase as the established top 4/5 sides (look at their twitter followers as an indicator) nor do we have 'legendary' superstars to make for good pundits. For example, Henry/ Lampard etc are highly desirable for TV companies because they come with worldwide exposure, are respected because of what they've achieved and are 'current'.

Sadly, the by-product of them being selected is that these players also have an ingrained hatred of us and so it appears sky hate us, too. I don't see it changing for a long time as we need sustained success to make a change. I can see Alli being a pundit in the future but can we keep him at the club and can we win things? Achieve that and sky will be pandering to us in the future.

CockOnBall · May 9, 2017

Nothing that weird about Saints hating us.

We did steal their song. It is Saints go marching in tbf.
We regularly sign their best players.
Our highly successful manager was theirs.
We even took their head of recruitment.
They probably hate LFC less because they pay huge fees for their players, get the deal done quick, rather than spending months lowballing.

Most of that is fair game but that doesn't stop fans resenting clubs which destabilise them. It must be a harder pill to swallow given we're not a madrid doing it them.

Gb160 · May 9, 2017

Its simple, they hate us cos they aint us.

Dougal · May 9, 2017

Could be because a lot of Spurs fans are nobs. Just throwing that out there. How many Spurs fans have you met where you've thought 'if we didn't have this thing in common I wouldn't even talk to you'?

Alternatively, we're long suffering, think we deserve some little chance of success and the very second we look to rise above the gutter and eat at the top table we fuck it up. The top table doesn't want us there and the gutter sneers at us for thinking we're too good for them. We are out of place and unwanted wherever we are. Footballing Purgatory. So we close ranks and become even more isolated among our own kind, even if we have to find common ground with those nobs I mentioned earlier. And every time there might be a little bit of love shown to us, when we finally think we might be accepted, the nobs step out from behind us and say something nobbish. And people turn on the collective again. And we cry ourselves to sleep.

Anyway...

SpursDave88 · May 9, 2017

Dougal said:
Could be because a lot of Spurs fans are nobs. Just throwing that out there. How many Spurs fans have you met where you've thought 'if we didn't have this thing in common I wouldn't even talk to you'?

Honestly...never. I have liked pretty much all Spurs fans I have met.

Drink!Drink! · May 9, 2017

Never, ever forget, that Chelsea hatred of Spurs fans is, in part, racially motivated.

Many of you will be too young to remember the 80s, in that period neo-nazi groups attached themselves to Chelsea, constantly leafleting at their home games etc. Their strategy was to find new recruits outside certain football grounds. The club's hoolie element became closely linked to the far right. Some of their racist bile was targeted at "Jewish" Tottenham. It would be these people coming up with all the racist chanting aimed at Spurs. Lots of Chelsea's brainless other supporters would go along with this, thinking it was a "laugh".

These racists are still there, a bit older now, although many will have passed on their poisonous politics to their children. We shouldn't forget where their original hatred of Tottenham comes from. Younger fans, and those from outside London are absolutely oblivious to all of this

Dougal · May 9, 2017

SpursDave88 said:
Honestly...never. I have liked pretty much all Spurs fans I have met.

Hate to break it to you, but you might be the nob

Kirito · May 9, 2017

SpursDave88 said:
I agree somewhat...

I don't think we act up or boast at all about not winning things...so that's nonsense for a start.

Firstly it is about proximity... West Ham haste us for a number of reasons:

Firstly, of the three other London PL teams, Chelsea and Arsenal have general been on a different planet to them, we have just been better than them so it is a comparable.

Second, they are supported by white working class racist types. Brexit voters and xenophobes who have always hated Jews. Given Tottenham's historical association with North London's Jewish community it is hardly surprising that they hate us.

Finally we are the closest PL team to them by proximity.

Arsenal is a traditional local rivalry.

Chelsea hate us for the same reason West Ham do, again it's traditional anti-semitism in the main, coupled with the fact Arsenal, until the last decade have mostly been far better than them.

Given the amount of hate we get from opposing fans, I think it's fine for us to bite back.

"White working class racist types. Brexit voters"

I can assure you that those weren't the only people who wanted out of the EU. It's a moronic generalisation that was made up by people that couldn't accept the result.

DEFchenkOE · May 9, 2017

CockOnBall said:
Re: The media

They cater for the biggest audiences so pick legends from the most supported teams. Because we've been so trophy starved over the last 30 years, we don't have as big a fanbase as the established top 4/5 sides (look at their twitter followers as an indicator) nor do we have 'legendary' superstars to make for good pundits. For example, Henry/ Lampard etc are highly desirable for TV companies because they come with worldwide exposure, are respected because of what they've achieved and are 'current'.

Sadly, the by-product of them being selected is that these players also have an ingrained hatred of us and so it appears sky hate us, too. I don't see it changing for a long time as we need sustained success to make a change. I can see Alli being a pundit in the future but can we keep him at the club and can we things? Achieve those things and sky will be pandering to us.

I was having a look at this earlier.

We have 1.9m followers
Liverpool have 7.3m followers
Man C have 4.2m followers
West Ham have 1.1m followers

I'm not surprised about the amount of followers Liverpool have compared to us, but I am surprised how many Man City have. Success really does breed success as they say.

Gb160 · May 9, 2017

SpursDave88 said:
Honestly...never. I have liked pretty much all Spurs fans I have met.

Go sit in the West stand for a match.

lol · May 9, 2017

nobody likes a new, up and coming powerhouse that will be a threat for a long time.

if i was a top club i would fucking hate us because we have new competition.

if i was a club that is at a level where spurs used to be i would fucking hate us because i wish we could be like that, why the fuck cant it be us instead.

For the love of Spurs · May 9, 2017

CockOnBall said:
Nothing that weird about Saints hating us.

We did steal their song. It is Saints go marching in tbf.
We regularly sign their best players.
Our highly successful manager was theirs.
We even took their head of recruitment.
They probably hate LFC less because they pay huge fees for their players, get the deal done quick, rather than spending months lowballing.

Most of that is fair game but that doesn't stop fans resenting clubs which destabilise them. It must be a harder pill to swallow given we're not a madrid doing it them.

Yeh but on the flip side, Man United did the same to us, getting our best players down the years and I don't detect much in the way of resentment to them. It's just the football food chain and Saints are below us, maybe it's that they haven't accepted this, that is the issue.

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