Why are we so hated???

worcestersauce · May 9, 2017

I don't know that we are that hated everywhere but I think a lot of fans can't understand why we are such a big club, after decades of mediocrity we can still sell out Wembley stadium, even for a dead rubber Europa league game on a Thursday night and you will see Spurs fans wherever you go in this country.
As for London, go west and the split is largely Chelsea and Spurs go east and the split is West Ham and Spurs, North is obvious and we have huge numbers of fans in south London too and all those fans just don't get it.

Led's Zeppelin · May 9, 2017

Drink!Drink! said:
Never, ever forget, that Chelsea hatred of Spurs fans is, in part, racially motivated.

Many of you will be too young to remember the 80s, in that period neo-nazi groups attached themselves to Chelsea, constantly leafleting at their home games etc. Their strategy was to find new recruits outside certain football grounds. The club's hoolie element became closely linked to the far right. Some of their racist bile was targeted at "Jewish" Tottenham. It would be these people coming up with all the racist chanting aimed at Spurs. Lots of Chelsea's brainless other supporters would go along with this, thinking it was a "laugh".

These racists are still there, a bit older now, although many will have passed on their poisonous politics to their children. We shouldn't forget where their original hatred of Tottenham comes from. Younger fans, and those from outside London are absolutely oblivious to all of this

It actually goes back to the 60s. Chelsea, in the Osgood, Cooke, Harris, Tambling days were a pretty good team, and we, with Greaves, Gilzean, Jennings, England & co were slightly better, and we still had the aura of the double-winning team to make us the country's undisputed glamour club , much to the despair of the "King's Road boys", who were always playing catch-up. In our shadow, despite having their most exciting team ever. And we beat them in the 67 cup final, at the time the biggest slap in the face possible. Arsenal we're nothing then, though the rivalry was sustained as you'd expect, and West Ham were content to win the Wotld Cup, so all the emergent and therefore exciting London rivalry centred around Tottenham and. Chelsea.

Add to that the emergence of the original skinheads ( a fascinating story in its own right, with a definite North/ South London flavour) and the associated start of hooliganism and I think you can appreciate how a level of hatred not previously seen could easily develop. And it did, and it created an incredibly fertile and still-active breeding ground of mutual hostility beteeen us and them throughout the 70sand 80s that certainly still has strong echoes today.

The racist angle is a thread that runs throughout the entire half-century.

On top of all that , I do believe we clung on to the glory of the incomparable double-winning side for far longer than other supporters can understand, creating the impression that we think we're bigger and better than we really are. They just need to learn their history.

1882andallthat · May 9, 2017

Dougal said:
Could be because a lot of Spurs fans are nobs. Just throwing that out there. How many Spurs fans have you met where you've thought 'if we didn't have this thing in common I wouldn't even talk to you'?

Alternatively, we're long suffering, think we deserve some little chance of success and the very second we look to rise above the gutter and eat at the top table we fuck it up. The top table doesn't want us there and the gutter sneers at us for thinking we're too good for them. We are out of place and unwanted wherever we are. Footballing Purgatory. So we close ranks and become even more isolated among our own kind, even if we have to find common ground with those nobs I mentioned earlier. And every time there might be a little bit of love shown to us, when we finally think we might be accepted, the nobs step out from behind us and say something nobbish. And people turn on the collective again. And we cry ourselves to sleep.

Anyway...

Every club has mindless idiots among their following and in other levels and areas of their clubs so to that extent I can see your point, but collectively and outwardly do you not think that some but not all of the previous and current players, previous managers, fans and owners and previous owners of Chelsea and West Ham have been guilty of many more examples of prejudiced, bigoted, spiteful and classless behaviour over several decades since the 1970's and onwards that is deserving of being universally disliked by more opposing fans than is reserved for us as fans and a club ?

Led's Zeppelin · May 9, 2017

1882andallthat said:
Every club has mindless idiots among their following and in other levels and areas of their clubs so to that extent I can see your point, but collectively and outwardly do you not think that some but not all of the previous and current players, previous managers, fans and owners and previous owners of Chelsea and West Ham have been guilty of many more examples of prejudiced, bigoted, spiteful and classless behaviour over several decades since the 1970's and onwards that is deserving of being universally disliked by more opposing fans than is reserved for us as fans and a club ?

We mustn't overlook our own paranoia.

We may be unique in having three other clubs who consider us their biggest rivals, but I don't agree that we are more hated than anyone else overall. In fact I see a huge amount of acknowledgement and respect coming our way. Even from some of the most unlikely sources.

Dougal · May 9, 2017

Probably best just to ask fans of other clubs then.

greaves · May 9, 2017

Why are we so hated?
Did something in a previous life.(copyright G. Hoddle).

Archibald&Crooks · May 9, 2017

The flip side is.......why do we hate so much?

Every pundit, media outlet and commentator is a ****. Add to that a truckload of referees, other teams, players, managers and journalists and the vast majority are viewed as ****s. Then there's this utter fallacy that the media hate us/have an agenda, the universal hatred against anyone and anything that doesn't literally stand on top of Big Ben belting out come on you Spurs and there's a piece of the jigsaw for you.

The vitriol and spite we dish out on here on a pretty much daily basis on here is triple boring and worse, embarrassing and we want to know why we're so hated? We're just on the end of exactly what we dish out.

talkshowhost86 · May 9, 2017

I think you have to mostly put it down to @Archibald&Crooks

Archibald&Crooks · May 9, 2017

talkshowhost86 said:
I think you have to mostly put it down to @Archibald&Crooks

And this

Deleted member 27995 · May 9, 2017

Probably the holier than thou brigade - both sides of it.

SUIYHA · May 9, 2017

As a team that's historically had one of the larger hooligan elements, I think we've generated a lot of hate from fights our fans have had over the years. Given that Fulham/QPR and Millwall haven't historically spent much time in the same division as Chelsea/West Ham, they've both spent a lot more time scrapping it out with Tottenham over the years and as such have adopted us as their main rivals.

Also - our fans are fucking bellends. I grew up watching Spurs in the 90s, and even fans of my age got into the mid-00s having never seen us as anything more than a mid-table irrelevance but still carried on crowing about what a big club we are. Nowadays we're almost as bad as Arsenal in the fickleness stakes - last season our fans turned into 2014 Liverpool fans, but after one defeat or a couple of draws and they're all over the radio phone ins crying woe is me and calling for Levy's head. I'm sure it's the same at every ground but the utter shit I hear coming out of the mouths of other supporters at White Hart Lane every week...especially when we're losing....

Having said that, I don't get why Southampton hate us so much. Even taking Poch, Hoddle & Richards into account that seems to go well beyond the bounds of rationality.

I'd guess that we are in general the least hated out of the big six except City, because people seem to have forgotten that they cheated their way to the top and nobody actually knows any Man City fans to find annoying. We are definitely hated more than Newcastle, Villa or Everton. Leeds used to be hated more than us but a generation of fans are completely unaware that they even exist now...

CockOnBall · May 9, 2017

For the love of Spurs said:
Yeh but on the flip side, Man United did the same to us, getting our best players down the years and I don't detect much in the way of resentment to them. It's just the football food chain and Saints are below us, maybe it's that they haven't accepted this, that is the issue.

At the time, we directed our hatred towards Fergie. He was despised. The way he took Carrick, Sheringham and in particular Berbatov. We hated him. But ultimately, it was a bitter pill we swallowed because they were at the top of the food chain and we were far from it.

I think it's easier to accept when a player is going to a club which wins trophies, competes for titles and CL etc. We always give our blessing (relatively) to players like Modric and Bale because what Madrid have to offer.

You speak to many saints fans on twitter and they will say, 'yes spurs are a bigger club, but gap is not so vast that retaining such players would not have bridged it'. Ultimately, they should take that up with their unambitious board.

mpickard2087 · May 9, 2017

Our fans bring a lot of it on. Whilst I don't think many who watch the game would argue that we have made positive steps in the last few years, there is a lot of crowing for ultimately doing very little. A couple of League Cups in 25 years doesn't get you respect. We've got to start winning crunch games and getting over the line rather than talking about potential. Things change quickly in football and you have to seize the moments.

We've also had the cringey stuff recently such as awarding ourselves as the best footballing team and that we've been robbed of the title because of that, and even worse that 'well we'd be champions over the last two seasons'. It's exactly the same stuff we used to laugh at those down the road for doing....

For the love of Spurs · May 9, 2017

CockOnBall said:
At the time, we directed our hatred towards Fergie. He was despised. The way he took Carrick, Sheringham and in particular Berbatov. We hated him. But ultimately, it was a bitter pill we swallowed because they were at the top of the food chain and we were far from it.

I think it's easier to accept when a player is going to a club which wins trophies, competes for titles and CL etc. We always give our blessing (relatively) to players like Modric and Bale because what Madrid have to offer.

You speak to many saints fans on twitter and they will say, 'yes spurs are a bigger club, but gap is not so vast that retaining such players would not have bridged it'. Ultimately, they should take that up with their unambitious board.

Yep maybe we are a deflection from their board. Thing is with their board the gap probably wouldn't have been bridged.

shelfmonkey · May 9, 2017

SpursDave88 said:
Second, they are supported by white working class racist types. Brexit voters and xenophobes who have always hated Jews.

Maybe they hates us because because of ill-informed, generalising pillocks like you!!!

For the love of Spurs · May 9, 2017

Question though, why do we even care if Spam, Chavs or Arse hate us, I don't, I don't want them to like us. As for Leicester again couldn't give a shit, they have their own weird League of Gentlemen ways about the club and the city.

There are a few teams I don't mind like Everton and to some extent pre-Jose United but for the main I don't want to chum up with another team. How embrassing has it been for Chelsea last season to join with Leicester to stop us.

As for success yes we need to change that but the league is hard when 2 other teams effectively money scam the league (Chavs and City) so we need to start doing better in the cups.

CockOnBall · May 9, 2017

I've never been a fan of the 'you're fucking shit' chant. Find it quite classless in victory and evokes hate where it perhaps didn't exist.

We seem to have expanded that from being sung against West Ham (who perhaps need regular reminding) to teams like Bournemouth/Watford etc (who are no real rival of ours)

SUIYHA · May 9, 2017

CockOnBall said:
At the time, we directed our hatred towards Fergie. He was despised. The way he took Carrick, Sheringham and in particular Berbatov. We hated him. But ultimately, it was a bitter pill we swallowed because they were at the top of the food chain and we were far from it.

I think it's easier to accept when a player is going to a club which wins trophies, competes for titles and CL etc. We always give our blessing (relatively) to players like Modric and Bale because what Madrid have to offer.

You speak to many saints fans on twitter and they will say, 'yes spurs are a bigger club, but gap is not so vast that retaining such players would not have bridged it'. Ultimately, they should take that up with their unambitious board.

Also because the alternative in those days to Man Utd winning the league didn't bear thinking about

For the love of Spurs · May 9, 2017

CockOnBall said:
I've never been a fan of the 'you're fucking shit' chant. Find it quite classless in victory and evokes hate where it perhaps didn't exist.

We seem to have expanded that from being sung against West Ham (who perhaps need regular reminding) to teams like Bournemouth/Watford etc (who are no real rival of ours)

also looks bad if we are only winning by a fine margin to get pulled back. It works against Spam when we are 3-0 4-0 up, otherwise it's a stupid move.

Of all our chants that would be my first to be binned.

fridgemagnet · May 9, 2017

DIEHARD said:
Not dismissing your question because it's valid but...

Does it matter if we are hated? I think everyone hates everyone it's football.

It used to bother me years ago but now I just sing at them or blow them a kiss; they love it they do, gives them a right froth on!

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