Player Watch: Serge Aurier

Dov67 · Apr 27, 2018

technical ability, athleticism etc are all good and the kind of traits a good coach like Poch can harness.

when we talk about Aurier, its not just a case of decision making and positional sense that can also be improved by good coaching. From what I have seen he doesn't seem to have the footballing intelligence necessary to play in the role that a Poch team requires of its FBs.

Its a brain thing and I'm sceptical that Poch can teach "brain" to this player.

I was so excited when we signed him but now every time I see his name on the team sheet my heart sinks.

blackburn · Apr 27, 2018

Dov67 said:
technical ability, athleticism etc are all good and the kind of traits a good coach like Poch can harness.

when we talk about Aurier, its not just a case of decision making and positional sense that can also be improved by good coaching. From what I have seen he doesn't seem to have the footballing intelligence necessary to play in the role that a Poch team requires of its FBs.

Its a brain thing and I'm sceptical that Poch can teach "brain" to this player.

I was so excited when we signed him but now every time I see his name on the team sheet my heart sinks.

Agree entirely, another example is Andros Townsend, all the attributes to be a top player but not enough basic footballing sense at the top level. Unfortunately I don't believe it can be coached. Aurier gets beaten too often on the inside which for a full back is criminal. Neither he nor Trippier are good enough, it remains to be seen if KWP is.

Insomnia · Apr 27, 2018

buckley said:
Someone writes that he believes aurier is a liability . If you hold this view you are a moron says some one else.Surely you can have opposing views without someone who does not hold your view being called a moron; grow up please

Yeah damn right

nicdic · Apr 27, 2018

One of the biggest factors that is overlooked in rating his performances this season, is that for the most part he's played next a 21-year-old centre back also playing his first season in a new country and league. The combination of both of them being new to the league, the pace of it, etc. is bound to have an effect.

Aurier alongside a settled Toby, or Sanchez alongside a settled Walker would have both looked a lot better.

Both will improve an awful lots next season after a pre-season with Poch. Aurier has at least the rough components that Poch formed the uber fullbacks of Rose and Walker out of. That took time, Aurier deserves that too.

Sophos151 · Apr 27, 2018

nicdic said:
One of the biggest factors that is overlooked in rating his performances this season, is that for the most part he's played next a 21-year-old centre back also playing his first season in a new country and league. The combination of both of them being new to the league, the pace of it, etc. is bound to have an effect.

You know, there might be something in that. Aurier had some pretty good games for us before Alderweireld got injured.

Bus-Conductor · Apr 27, 2018

I actually think what Sanchez lacks in experience he makes up for in other ways, and his pace is an asset that Alderweireld doesn't have when our FB's are caught up field.

I get the logic of what people are saying, but that applied to Walker too, no coincidence he started looking better when we were coached to defend better as a team, and he had the sure head of Alderweireled net to him.

Also, if we are making that excuse for Aurier, then it applies to Trippier, who is also effectively having his first full season as a starter for us.

Personally, I think for the most part, Sanchez is there pretty much on merit and has had a bloody good season for a kid having his first.

Blake Griffin · Apr 27, 2018

Ron Burgundy said:
This guy has the raw materials to be a good full back, for sure. What's incredible is his 'brain fart' ability, though to be fair I think he got very unlucky with his pen against Brighton

If (stress If) he can cut that rash element out of his game, and he wouldn't be the first player to improve massively in that regard, he could be a very good player. He needs another season I reckon

this is where i have a bit of a problem with aurier. if he was this rip-roaring full back who could dribble, beat people and deliver quality in the final third then i'd be saying ok, his defensive lapses aren't ideal but you can live with them if he's giving us so much going the other way, but he's not really shown he's capable of doing that either has he? even if by some chance you manage to eradicate all the errors out of his game, he's still not shown to have a great deal in his offensive locker beyond getting himself into good positions only to slam his cross into the closest defender's shins nine times out of 10.

Ron Burgundy · Apr 28, 2018

Blake Griffin said:
this is where i have a bit of a problem with aurier. if he was this rip-roaring full back who could dribble, beat people and deliver quality in the final third then i'd be saying ok, his defensive lapses aren't ideal but you can live with them if he's giving us so much going the other way, but he's not really shown he's capable of doing that either has he? even if by some chance you manage to eradicate all the errors out of his game, he's still not shown to have a great deal in his offensive locker beyond getting himself into good positions only to slam his cross into the closest defender's shins nine times out of 10.

Well argued to be fair.

werty · Apr 30, 2018

nicdic said:
One of the biggest factors that is overlooked in rating his performances this season, is that for the most part he's played next a 21-year-old centre back also playing his first season in a new country and league. The combination of both of them being new to the league, the pace of it, etc. is bound to have an effect.

Aurier alongside a settled Toby, or Sanchez alongside a settled Walker would have both looked a lot better.

Both will improve an awful lots next season after a pre-season with Poch. Aurier has at least the rough components that Poch formed the uber fullbacks of Rose and Walker out of. That took time, Aurier deserves that too.

Diving in needlessly and other brainless defending he's done has nothing to do with playing beside an inexperienced player. Let's not forgot that he's 25 now, not a teenager. If he needs a CB to keep bailing him out then he's not very good.

nicdic · Apr 30, 2018

werty said:
Diving in needlessly and other brainless defending he's done has nothing to do with playing beside an inexperienced player. Let's not forgot that he's 25 now, not a teenager. If he needs a CB to keep bailing him out then he's not very good.

The whole thing with Serge has been blown massively out of proportion. Now that there's "narrative" that he's a liability every challenge, decision is viewed from that perspective. The red card against West Ham was pretty stupid but ultimately didn't cost us. The penalty against Real Madrid, I'm not sure he had much choice but to make the challenge. The penalty against Juve was perhaps a bit rash but didn't cost us, Higuain missed. And the penalty against Brighton was harsh and IMO not a penalty. Not to mention the reason we didn't that game was due to us being poor, not Aurier. Defenders make mistakes, he'll make less as he settles.

southlondonyiddo · Apr 30, 2018

nicdic said:
The whole thing with Serge has been blown massively out of proportion. Now that there's "narrative" that he's a liability every challenge, decision is viewed from that perspective. The red card against West Ham was pretty stupid but ultimately didn't cost us. The penalty against Real Madrid, I'm not sure he had much choice but to make the challenge. The penalty against Juve was perhaps a bit rash but didn't cost us, Higuain missed. And the penalty against Brighton was harsh and IMO not a penalty. Not to mention the reason we didn't that game was due to us being poor, not Aurier. Defenders make mistakes, he'll make less as he settles.

Completely agree with the Brighton challenge, never a pen

The rest is very debatable. There is making mistakes and there is giving away stupid penalties etc which should and does cost the team more often than not

Hopefully he can completely cut out the stupid decisions and challenges. I certainly dont blame him at all v Brighton

werty · Apr 30, 2018

nicdic said:
The whole thing with Serge has been blown massively out of proportion. Now that there's "narrative" that he's a liability every challenge, decision is viewed from that perspective. The red card against West Ham was pretty stupid but ultimately didn't cost us. The penalty against Real Madrid, I'm not sure he had much choice but to make the challenge. The penalty against Juve was perhaps a bit rash but didn't cost us, Higuain missed. And the penalty against Brighton was harsh and IMO not a penalty. Not to mention the reason we didn't that game was due to us being poor, not Aurier. Defenders make mistakes, he'll make less as he settles.

The narrative that he's rash is no worse than the narrative than Poch will magically fix everything that's wrong with him because he's improved others.

Just because his defending didn't cost us those games shouldn't cover up the bad decision making and dreadful defending. You argue that he didn't cost us against Brighton because the rest weren't good, but if the rest weren't good in those other games, or Higuaín didn't miss the target with a penalty, he would have cost us. Again, none of those mistakes were due to play with an inexperienced CB beside him.

I agree with you to a certain extent about the Brighton penalty. I think he was more unlucky than he's given credit for and their winger was clever. He got unnecessary stick for his performance in that game when that was probably his only "mistake". He's had far worse games where he's made plenty of mistakes that haven't resulted in goals that are often forgotten about and ignored.

dagraham · Apr 30, 2018

nicdic said:
The whole thing with Serge has been blown massively out of proportion. Now that there's "narrative" that he's a liability every challenge, decision is viewed from that perspective. The red card against West Ham was pretty stupid but ultimately didn't cost us. The penalty against Real Madrid, I'm not sure he had much choice but to make the challenge. The penalty against Juve was perhaps a bit rash but didn't cost us, Higuain missed. And the penalty against Brighton was harsh and IMO not a penalty. Not to mention the reason we didn't that game was due to us being poor, not Aurier. Defenders make mistakes, he'll make less as he settles.

There is a reason there is a "narrative". It's because the same thing keeps happening. He keeps letting players in on the inside, then when they get goal side he either dives in or clumsily brings them down. You think he'll improve, ok fair enough , but the fact you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening.

As for his mistakes not actually costing us the game so it's all cool : I doubt Poch will see it that way and rightly so. Just because a team prevails despite the errors, doesn't make them disappear.

Agree that we shouldn't right him off just yet though.

nicdic · Apr 30, 2018

southlondonyiddo said:
Completely agree with the Brighton challenge, never a pen

The rest is very debatable. There is making mistakes and there is giving away stupid penalties etc which should and does cost the team more often than not

Hopefully he can completely cut out the stupid decisions and challenges. I certainly dont blame him at all v Brighton

So if we remove the Brighton pen, it's two penalties. One where he had to make a challenge, and one that was rash. Is that enough to label him as giving away stupid penalties and error prone etc.? I'm not sure it is.

werty said:
The narrative that he's rash is no worse than the narrative than Poch will magically fix everything that's wrong with him because he's improved others.

Just because his defending didn't cost us those games shouldn't cover up the bad decision making and dreadful defending. You argue that he didn't cost us against Brighton because the rest weren't good, but if the rest weren't good in those other games, or Higuaín didn't miss the target with a penalty, he would have cost us. Again, none of those mistakes were due to play with an inexperienced CB beside him.

I agree with you to a certain extent about the Brighton penalty. I think he was more unlucky than he's given credit for and their winger was clever. He got unnecessary stick for his performance in that game when that was probably his only "mistake". He's had far worse games where he's made plenty of mistakes that haven't resulted in goals that are often forgotten about and ignored.

If, if, if...

There's no narrative about "fixing" him, it's just a call for patience.

Some of his decision making hasn't been great, but then Trippier has probably been pretty similar.

dagraham said:
There is a reason there is a "narrative". It's because the same thing keeps happening. He keeps letting players in on the inside, then when they get goal side he either dives in or clumsily brings them down. You think he'll improve, ok fair enough , but the fact you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening.

As for his mistakes not actually costing us the game so it's all cool : I doubt Poch will see it that way and rightly so. Just because a team prevails despite the errors, doesn't make them disappear.

Agree that we shouldn't right him off just yet though.

Same thing keeps happening? He's made more last ditch tackles to save goals in those kind of situations than he's given away penalties. I'm not saying we shouldn't care about the penalties, I'm just bringing some context to it, because most of you seem to just go, "HE GAVE AWAY ALL THE PENALTIES, HE'S SO AWFUL, AND BAD AT DECIDING THE THINGS" and that's not really the full picture.

The Swellhead Spur · Apr 30, 2018

Their is also narrative that he is brainless when he has shown multiple times his attacking intelligence, I hope he gets a pre season

werty · Apr 30, 2018

nicdic said:
So if we remove the Brighton pen, it's two penalties. One where he had to make a challenge, and one that was rash. Is that enough to label him as giving away stupid penalties and error prone etc.? I'm not sure it is.

If, if, if...

There's no narrative about "fixing" him, it's just a call for patience.

Some of his decision making hasn't been great, but then Trippier has probably been pretty similar.

Same thing keeps happening? He's made more last ditch tackles to save goals in those kind of situations than he's given away penalties. I'm not saying we shouldn't care about the penalties, I'm just bringing some context to it, because most of you seem to just go, "HE GAVE AWAY ALL THE PENALTIES, HE'S SO AWFUL, AND BAD AT DECIDING THE THINGS" and that's not really the full picture.

If if if?

You're whole point is all if's ffs. IF it can be coached out of him. IF he had someone more experienced beside him.

nicdic · Apr 30, 2018

werty said:
If if if? You're whole point is all if's ffs. IF it can be coached out of him. IF he had someone more experienced beside him.

I've said we should give him time. But the main point I'm trying to make right now is that these errors have been massively overstated.

werty · Apr 30, 2018

nicdic said:
I've said we should give him time. But the main point I'm trying to make right now is that these errors have been massively overstated.

The point I responded to was that playing with Sanzhez instead of Alderweireld was one of "the biggest factors" in his performance. It's had very little to do with his poor performances. It didn't matter if he was playing alongside Sanchez, Alderweireld, King or Doherty, the vast majority of the mistakes that he had made would have happened anyway.

nicdic · Apr 30, 2018

werty said:
The point I responded to was that playing with Sanzhez instead of Alderweireld was one of "the biggest factors" in his performance. It's had very little to do with his poor performances. It didn't matter if he was playing alongside Sanchez, Alderweireld, King or Doherty, the vast majority of the mistakes that he had made would have happened anyway.

If he was a left back, and slotted in next to Jan, I bet he'd have made significantly less errors.

werty · Apr 30, 2018

nicdic said:
If he was a left back, and slotted in next to Jan, I bet he'd have made significantly less errors.

I doubt it. Jan might have covered for him better, but that doesn't negate that the mistake was still made in the first place. The decision to dive into a tackle in the box against Juventus and make a ridiculously challenge when already on a yellow against West Ham had nothing to do with who was beside him. They are the two high profile mistakes, but there's been plenty others too where he's done similar.

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