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Anyone have faith in JD scoring?

double0

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Defoe should never have taken the penalty. There was far too much pressure for him to score and as much as some of us wont admit to it everyone was dubious and worried when he stepped up... Why didnt berbatov or Jenas take it...

All it came down to was defoe wanting to prove a point against his old club. Typical selfish reasons from a typically selfish player. Why did it not come down to winning the game...


So was it selfish that he won the pen? or would it be selfish if he'd scored?

Defoe has a goal scoring record against wet spam since he left them for us and you should remember last season he stood up and scored the pen...so was that selfish?
 

markie

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So was it selfish that he won the pen? or would it be selfish if he'd scored?

Defoe has a goal scoring record against wet spam since he left them for us and you should remember last season he stood up and scored the pen...so was that selfish?

Use your brain and think about it... He would have loved to have scored against his old club and you know it... If he had stood back while someone else took it so there wasnt so much pressure, then he would have been doing it for the club...
 

Shanks

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IT wasn't a shit pen, it was a good save.
He just managed to get it hand on it and pushed it onto the post.

Keane is our normal pen taker, he was off, so I have no problems with it going to defoe. Cannot really blame him, he picked his spot, hit it well and it was saved.

Green probably should not have been on the pitch after his foul on Keane (which a few people reckon he dived for?) so we were very unlucky, but also have to thank Robbo for keeping us in it.

Slowly seeing an improvement.
 

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IT wasn't a shit pen, it was a good save.
He just managed to get it hand on it and pushed it onto the post.

Keane is our normal pen taker, he was off, so I have no problems with it going to defoe. Cannot really blame him, he picked his spot, hit it well and it was saved.

Green probably should not have been on the pitch after his foul on Keane (which a few people reckon he dived for?) so we were very unlucky, but also have to thank Robbo for keeping us in it.

Slowly seeing an improvement.
shit pen or not, he shouldn't have taken it
 

double0

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shit pen or not, he shouldn't have taken it


Its easy to say he shouldn't have taken it after the event. Defoe's been the pen taker before and with Keane off the pitch he was the first in line IMO.

Who else should have taken it????
 

AngerManagement

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I would say any penalty that gives the keeper an opportunity to save it is a shit penality.

*shit maybe too strong terminology as there have been much worse penalities, but ulitmatley a good penality cannot be saved this was so it was poor and in the context of football penalities, where most are scored, not scoring is shit
 

Dibby

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Its easy to say he shouldn't have taken it after the event. Defoe's been the pen taker before and with Keane off the pitch he was the first in line IMO.

Who else should have taken it????

The only other player on-field I would have take it would have been Bent.
 

TaoistMonkey

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Its easy to say he shouldn't have taken it after the event. Defoe's been the pen taker before and with Keane off the pitch he was the first in line IMO.

Who else should have taken it????

here we go again......

if you feel that if a player has just come on and is ready to take a pen against his old club in the 90th minute, which could win the game then i'm quite surprised.


oh and berb should have taken it.
 

Shanks

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Who should have taken it then?
It's a stupid arguement.

Had Berbs or Bent or even Robbo taken it and missed it, you would all be saying the exact same thing, they shouldn't have taken it, give it to defoe, he is good at pens...

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It was a good penalty, okay it could have been nearer the post, but it was hit powerfully, and it was a bloody good save from the keeper.
Penalty saving is as much skill as it is luck, trust me on that one.

You can watch and stuy penalty takers, you can watch the run up, but ultimatly, a keeper makes a decision to go which way and sticks to it. No penalty taker scores 100% of penalties that I know of.

This is the exact problem with spurs fans this season. Fans chating Defoes name, give him a chance. He finally gets a chance, is unlucky against a keeper who is on top form, yet shouldn't have been on the pitch in the first place, and people now say he shouldn't have taken it.

Fair play to him for trying, it was very unlucky, but move on, we didn't lose, we showed a much improved performance against tougher opposition and we finally saw a manager who isn't afraid to mix it up by taking a defender off and bringing on a forward.

All positives.

The negatives were our defensive errors, which can still be improved on.

Seriously, Defoe was the obvious choice for the penalty over every single person on the pitch.
 

SouthLondonSpur

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I just had a feeling that although he has a good pen record he would miss. Plus Greens good pen record made me just expect it to be saved, and proved right

I felt the same shortly after it was awarded. It was a jammy decision for us and when i saw jermaine was taking it, it just felt wrong. And he placed it in exactly the same place as last season.

However, fair play to him for stepping up. Overall thought we deserved more.
 

Dougal

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I had a West Ham fan turn up in my local, that rarely happens. I said to him before the penalty, I don't know what you're worried about, he won't score :-(
 

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Who should have taken it then?
It's a stupid arguement.

Had Berbs or Bent or even Robbo taken it and missed it, you would all be saying the exact same thing, they shouldn't have taken it, give it to defoe, he is good at pens...

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It was a good penalty, okay it could have been nearer the post, but it was hit powerfully, and it was a bloody good save from the keeper.
Penalty saving is as much skill as it is luck, trust me on that one.

You can watch and stuy penalty takers, you can watch the run up, but ultimatly, a keeper makes a decision to go which way and sticks to it. No penalty taker scores 100% of penalties that I know of.

This is the exact problem with spurs fans this season. Fans chating Defoes name, give him a chance. He finally gets a chance, is unlucky against a keeper who is on top form, yet shouldn't have been on the pitch in the first place, and people now say he shouldn't have taken it.

Fair play to him for trying, it was very unlucky, but move on, we didn't lose, we showed a much improved performance against tougher opposition and we finally saw a manager who isn't afraid to mix it up by taking a defender off and bringing on a forward.

All positives.

The negatives were our defensive errors, which can still be improved on.

Seriously, Defoe was the obvious choice for the penalty over every single person on the pitch.

i think people are completly missing the point. :-| its not about how good or shit he is, its about.........you know what i can't be bothered to say it again :lol:
 

Shanks

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Does Berbs take penalties?
I know he took one against Stevenage, but thats the only one I can think he took.

Tis all if's and but's now though, he took it, he missed, we were very unlucky not to win, but at least we didn't lose.
 

Flatters

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Who should have taken it then?
It's a stupid arguement.

Had Berbs or Bent or even Robbo taken it and missed it, you would all be saying the exact same thing, they shouldn't have taken it, give it to defoe, he is good at pens...

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It was a good penalty, okay it could have been nearer the post, but it was hit powerfully, and it was a bloody good save from the keeper.
Penalty saving is as much skill as it is luck, trust me on that one.

You can watch and stuy penalty takers, you can watch the run up, but ultimatly, a keeper makes a decision to go which way and sticks to it. No penalty taker scores 100% of penalties that I know of.

This is the exact problem with spurs fans this season. Fans chating Defoes name, give him a chance. He finally gets a chance, is unlucky against a keeper who is on top form, yet shouldn't have been on the pitch in the first place, and people now say he shouldn't have taken it.

Fair play to him for trying, it was very unlucky, but move on, we didn't lose, we showed a much improved performance against tougher opposition and we finally saw a manager who isn't afraid to mix it up by taking a defender off and bringing on a forward.

All positives.

The negatives were our defensive errors, which can still be improved on.

Seriously, Defoe was the obvious choice for the penalty over every single person on the pitch.

So I was right? I believe so. Obviously.
 

double0

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here we go again......

if you feel that if a player has just come on and is ready to take a pen against his old club in the 90th minute, which could win the game then i'm quite surprised.


oh and berb should have taken it.


The Keeper saved the pen and we drew the game.

Berbartov doesn't show any responsibility at the moment to take or make critical decisions on the pitch at the moment maybe because of his form. He normally shrugs his shoulders and walks off when a free kicks awarded at least Defoe had the confidence to stand up and take the pen which was well stuck but equally well saved.
 

Shanks

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Even I said he won't score, but I would have said that if anyone else had taken it.

A fresh player has as much of a chance as a player who has played the 90 minutes.
In fact, probably has a better chance of hitting a cleaner strike that someone who has tired legs... it doesn't matter who was the right choice, he missed, lets get on with it.

I still say he was the automatic choice behind Keane, unless Ramos himself comes out and said, well actually Bent was 2nd on the penalty list, but the players chose between themselves, its a mute point.

Defoe is one of the best natural finishers in the league, no reason to see why he couldn't take it, with Keane off the pitch seeing as he won the penalty!

2 pen wins in 1 week for defoe though.
 

Flatters

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Defoe is one of the best natural finishers in the league

:think:

I can't agree with that. Whatever it actually means.

He can probably hit the ball the hardest of our four strikers, but I'd say he probably has the worst shooting accuracy of the four.
 

double0

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:think:

I can't agree with that. Whatever it actually means.

He can probably hit the ball the hardest of our four strikers, but I'd say he probably has the worst shooting accuracy of the four.


His accuracy is one of the best in the league....what you mean is his conversion rate which SS55 keeps going on about.
 

donny1013

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Berbs took pennos for Leverkusen and he always took a good penno. JD always seems to scuff it low. If Keano had been on then he would have buried it obviously. I just think at that stage of the game it needed a real cool head, and you dont get any cooler than Berbs. Why did i record it on my mobile as well, maybe i jinxed it, oops
 
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