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Norgie · Feb 16, 2023

Japhet said:
No way he'd come in til the end of the season and then re-assess. He, like anyone else, would want a decent length contract.

What if there was a gentleman's agreement to get a new contract after that, Levy loves a gentleman's agreement.

Japhet · Feb 16, 2023

Paddy88 said:
Agreed mate. Best case for me is Paratici carries on and Poch and him work well together. After years of bullshit, it will be nice to be positively surprised by this club.

Problem with Paratici is that his real strength lies in the Italian market, where he definitely can't work.

Spurzinho · Feb 16, 2023

Jody said:
Gallardo needs to be included in any list like that. Him or Poch with plenty of Ossie tweets to follow - happy days ??

Does Gallardo speak a word of English? He's spent 21 of the previous 28 years in Argentina, 5 in France and 1 in the US. I'm not saying he's not a fabulous coach but limited or non-existent English and very limited exposure to European football is an issue.

fishhhandaricecake · Feb 16, 2023

Spurzinho said:
Poch is the obvious call. I think that he feels that he's got unfinished business. Levy loves the guy. Poch got us so close to glory and pretty much on a shoestring. If he'd had the backing Conte's had then Poch would have won stuff with us. Was everything perfect under Poch? definitely not. You could talk about his abject failure when it came to making the most of the youth we had. You could talk about his stubbornness in regard to transfers which was as much a reason for our 18 months without a signing as Levy was. You could talk about how he didn't always nip those rumours about Man Utd in the bud. You could talk about his tactical inflexibility. You could talk about his huff after the Champions League final. You could talk about the potential limited shelf-life of his high-intensity style and the impact it had on Kane, Dele, Rose and others who all missed big chunks of football with injuries. You could talk about his stroppy press conferences where he'd swing backwards and forwards between claiming to be totally happy with the situation at the club and completely frustrated. You could talk about the utterly miserable last 12 months, CL run aside, where we were beyond grim to watch.

Those are all reasons not to go back. That said, I loved the guy and he gave me some of my absolute favourite moments as a Spurs fan. I was proud of the club. I felt a real connection with the club. I felt like the team were giving it everything they had. I felt like I was watching a special, special time. Poch was passionate, likeable and had our team playing like absolute beasts. Could he recreate that? Who knows. I do believe that there's a really solid base there for him if he wanted a crack at it.

Sure, we need a new goalkeeper, and another quality centre back to partner Cuti and a creative 8/10 but beyond that the pieces are there, at least to get him started.

We've got Porro & Spence at right back who fit Poch's mould. Udogie & Reguilon/Sess for left back who also fit Poch's mould. We've got Cuti & a new boy, with Dier and Sanchez as back up for the time being. We've got PEH, Bentancur, Skipp, Sarr & Bissouma who would all work in a Poch midfield. You've got Son, Kulu, Danjuma, Perisic & Richie as your inverted forwards & Kane up top with either Danjuma or Richie for rotation. There's more than enough there to get started. Throw in a couple of talented youngsters (from the academy or elsewhere) and it looks even better.

Great post.

Also I find it interesting when some posters fixate on his final 9-12 months where the football wasn't as good because he and the squad were burntout physically and emotionally. Its like watching the news all day and thinking the World is only full of bad things.

Poch was far far more good than he was bad, in fact he was phenomenal in so many ways and if he feels he has unfinished business, he is refreshed and ready to have another go with us with a better budget and the stadium up and running them I'm all for it.

Teegart · Feb 16, 2023

I don’t understand the talk of “we can’t get Poch as Son and Kane can’t press”. Most modern managers press high, or certainly press far more than Conte. So regardless of who comes in, chances are if we want attractive possession football back, we’re going to press teams higher than we do, and more often than we do.

I’m all for having the discussion that maybe Son and Kane are now not suited to a high energy pressing side, but it’s not a Poch specific issue.

fishhhandaricecake · Feb 16, 2023

Spurzinho said:
Does Gallardo speak a word of English? He's spent 21 of the previous 28 years in Argentina, 5 in France and 1 in the US. I'm not saying he's not a fabulous coach but limited or non-existent English and very limited exposure to European football is an issue.

It is a good point, Santini and Ramos didn't speak a word of English and they couldn't replicate their success from other countries partly down to this I believe.

djhotspur · Feb 16, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
Great post.

Also I find it interesting when some posters fixate on his final 9-12 months where the football wasn't as good because he and the squad were burntout physically and emotionally. Its like watching the news all day and thinking the World is only full of bad things.

Poch was far far more good than he was bad, in fact he was phenomenal in so many ways and if he feels he has unfinished business, he is refreshed and ready to have another go with us with a better budget and the stadium up and running them I'm all for it.

Maybe because poch couldn’t win anything when we were “so good” at a time when Leicester managed to win the league.
Does any of this current side get into pochs side that year? I just have zero faith in poch to win anything

Ghost Hardware · Feb 16, 2023

Spurzinho said:
Part of the problem for me is that there just aren't a whole bunch of exciting, available coaches out there. Nagelsmann would be awesome but he won't come. Potter would have been intriguing but not now he's been down the road. With some of the other suggestions language would be a significant problem. The De Zerbi fella seems to be doing quite well but how long's it been? Has he done enough to think that he could transfer it here? I dunno. This is the strength of the Poch candidacy. In the absence of any truly outstanding candidate Poch represents a bit of stability, a bit of familiarity and a bit of positivity. Every appointment is such a gamble. There are no guarantees. We saw with Nuno how quickly a manager's authority can collapse. If not Poch then we need someone who's going to come in and rev everyone up and convince the lads that they are a team capable of making the CL and pushing on to challenge for the title. Poch had that in spades.

Considering how tense things seem to be at BM currently I wouldn’t say it’s as clean cut that Nagelsmann is a certain no. Sure it wouldn’t be until summer but i do think he might not be at BM come next season.

Aside from that as I’ve said, Gallardo for me would be the absolutely perfect manager for us. The only other one id pick over him would be Nagelsmann probably.

Spurzinho · Feb 16, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
Great post.

Also I find it interesting when some posters fixate on his final 9-12 months where the football wasn't as good because he and the squad were burntout physically and emotionally. Its like watching the news all day and thinking the World is only full of bad things.

Poch was far far more good than he was bad, in fact he was phenomenal in so many ways and if he feels he has unfinished business, he is refreshed and ready to have another go with us with a better budget and the stadium up and running them I'm all for it.

Those last 12 months were grim. No denying it. Was Poch partly to blame? Sure. Was it representative of his time in charge, not at all. Should it be used as a mark against him? Maybe. For me it depends whether we're getting an older, wiser Poch or just the same old Poch who hasn't learned from last time. Poch is going to end up somewhere and he's going to do an excellent job. Why not with us?

Trotter · Feb 16, 2023

YB123 said:
He means it by he will be playing golf regularly.

I saw the club pro tweet with a photos saying he's been giving him lessons.

But yes looks like youre right.

I do find a little bit weird/cringe hes hanging around London but thats me looking too deep into it aswell.

You find it a little cringe that he is hanging around in the city where his whole family are living. WTAF

Bluto Blutarsky · Feb 16, 2023

So, funny thing about Poch - he signed a 5-year deal in 2018. He is probably still being paid not to manage Spurs for the rest of this season…

Spurzinho · Feb 16, 2023

Teegart said:
I don’t understand the talk of “we can’t get Poch as Son and Kane can’t press”. Most modern managers press high, or certainly press far more than Conte. So regardless of who comes in, chances are if we want attractive possession football back, we’re going to press teams higher than we do, and more often than we do.

I’m all for having the discussion that maybe Son and Kane are now not suited to a high energy pressing side, but it’s not a Poch specific issue.

Also, where are Kane and Son going to go where they're not expected to press? PSG? C'mon. Its still part and parcel of the role they play and you just have to find ways to adapt. If Kane can't play No.9 in a Poch system then he's not going to play No.9 in very many teams either. He might be entering the stage where playing a bit deeper might be to his benefit anyway.

Jody · Feb 16, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
So, funny thing about Poch - he signed a 5-year deal in 2018. He is probably still being paid not to mange Spurs for the rest of this season…

That would have been ripped up when he signed for PSG surely?

HotSprut · Feb 16, 2023

This club is driving me insane. If Poch wasn't right then, why is he right now? Have he become a better manager since, or have we changed as a club to better give him the tools to succeed?

Can someone please explain to me why this is a good way forward?

rabbikeane · Feb 16, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
It is a good point, Santini and Ramos didn't speak a word of English and they couldn't replicate their success from other countries partly down to this I believe.

Also looking back to Poch, few had heard him speak English when he was at Southampton.
It was a demand from Levy that he spoke English if he was to become Spurs manager.

Japhet · Feb 16, 2023

Spurzinho said:
Those last 12 months were grim. No denying it. Was Poch partly to blame? Sure. Was it representative of his time in charge, not at all. Should it be used as a mark against him? Maybe. For me it depends whether we're getting an older, wiser Poch or just the same old Poch who hasn't learned from last time. Poch is going to end up somewhere and he's going to do an excellent job. Why not with us?

I'm sure he has regrets about how it ended here and I'd be surprised if he hasn't learned anything from that. I'm not particularly 'Poch in', but I'd love to see what he could do with the players we already have here and a few additions.

Bluto Blutarsky · Feb 16, 2023

Jody said:
That would have been ripped up when he signed for PSG surely?

Unlikely. Poch would have been due his full compensation over the life of the contract.

That would have been mitigated by his PSG contract so Spurs have not had to pay out the entire deal — but Spurs would have had to payout the contract value, less what he got from PSG.

wrd · Feb 16, 2023

HotSprut said:
This club is driving me insane. If Poch wasn't right then, why is he right now? Have he become a better manager since, or have we changed as a club to better give him the tools to succeed?

Can someone please explain to me why this is a good way forward?

We can't tell whether the club is willing to give him the tools to return, what I do know is that there's plenty examples of people who were fired and companies realise it's a mistake but also the person who left needed to grow as a person too, it happened with Steve Jobs and Apple and that worked out pretty well for all involved as one example. I'd like to think that Poch has learnt from his mistakes but also what we went through to get to that point must have been so disappointing, the whole club in a malaise from that final. Perhaps enough time has passed.

glacierSpurs · Feb 16, 2023

coy-spurs1882 said:
the management is a f**king joke

coy-spurs1882 said:
says how pathetic our management is

And very disrespectful IMHO, like some of the posters here. FFS Conte is still our manager as thing stands. This guy has to recuperate further now because he rushed back in less than a week after his surgery to want to get back to work with us, and hampered his recovery. Yet some higher executives of the club and fans here are just thinking of a romantic reunion with Poch.

djhotspur · Feb 16, 2023

Japhet said:
I'm sure he has regrets about how it ended here and I'd be surprised if he hasn't learned anything from that. I'm not particularly 'Poch in', but I'd love to see what he could do with the players we already have here and a few additions.

Worse players than he had when he couldn’t win anything….

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