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Metalhead · May 27, 2023

worcestersauce said:
My only problem with that is we've had Mourinho and Conte and I don't think we can say they don't have strength of character and they failed so maybe a different approach might be worthwhile.
I don't know anything about Ange but is he stronger than those two?

Is it maybe a case that the coaching itself is as much of a key? Both Conte and Mourinho were for sure strong personalities but the players failed to respond to either due to the tactics - I guess that we need someone for whom the players can relate both from a personality standpoint but also understand and are in synch with what they are trying to get across to them on the pitch.

GioW · May 27, 2023

Personality and Charisma are gonna be huge in dragging us off the floor . Which is why I'm more Slot /Ange than Potter .

But I'd put him in the 'could do alot worse 'camp.

worcestersauce · May 27, 2023

only1waddle said:
He did improve Brighton in the third season, only improved Hughton by one place in the first two, probably because of budget and them being a small club.
I agree it's desperate times but I don't think Potter is the right character.

This is a very good point, Brighton improved position measurably in the third season but the change in the first season with how they played was enormous and they were never in danger of relegation.
That's sort of where I am, we need to be looking at that level of change and growth and as a huge club we will obviously do better than Brighton. We have to start from square one.

only1waddle · May 27, 2023

St José Dominguez said:
Personally think De Zerbi is getting far too much praise for the way Brighton play and Potter getting far too little. De Zerbi has improved them but without what Potter had done it would’ve taken him a lot longer to get them near this level, if even at all. Potter went in there and completely transformed their style of play and has them in a position where as long as the manager choices are correct along with their smart recruitment it will sustain them as a PL club for some time.

Yeah I agree with parts of that, I understand the transition from Potter to De Zerbi was an easier one than Potter had with Hughton and he should get respect for that, I just don't feel he's right for us at the minute.

kent brockman · May 27, 2023

only1waddle said:
He did improve Brighton in the third season, only improved Hughton by one place in the first two, probably because of budget and them being a small club.
I agree it's desperate times but I don't think Potter is the right character.

Yeah. Not saying Potter should be the chosen one.
Just think its a bit unfair to give him no credit for Brighton’s elevation (league position/football played).
Whereas I love Ange’s front-foot attacking approach, my two question marks with him are:
a. That he has (at the age of 57) never managed a team in a competitive league, and
b. If he can combine his attacking approach without also making us even more shaky at the back.
Tbf (b) will be a massive challenge for any new manager, as we basically only have one quality defender.

Metalhead · May 27, 2023

kent brockman said:
Yeah. Not saying Potter should be the chosen one.
Just think its a bit unfair to give him no credit for Brighton’s elevation (league position/football played).
Whereas I love Ange’s front-foot attacking approach, my two question marks with him are:
a. That he has (at the age of 57) never managed a team in a competitive league, and
b. If he can combine his attacking approach without also making us even more shaky at the back.
Tbf (b) will be a massive challenge for any new manager, as we basically only have one quality defender.

I wonder if Potter had a bigger personality that he would be more attractive to fans. Notwithstanding the Chelsea tenure, he seems like a nice guy and clearly the players at Brighton identified with what he was trying to achieve but do people find him a bit bland as a character?

St José Dominguez · May 27, 2023

spursfan77 said:
I would stay clear of both right now. I caught the end of the Barber high performance podcast and although he said some nice things about de zerbi, I didn’t think them revelatory. He’d be ahead of other candidates for sure, but getting him to recreate what’s happened there at thfc is a massive stretch.

It’s pretty much impossible to know which way to turn now and I think the papers don’t have a single clue either so there’s no point listening to them. My only hope is when the German season ends we approach Nagelsmann again (if it’s true about the clause) and follow through with him and his DOF. But I suspect I’m pissing in the wind on that one.

No one is doing anything here without a whole lot of patience. If any fan thinks De Zerbi would come in and we’d be playing like Brighton by Xmas they’re living in a fantasy world. It takes seasons to transform a clubs identity and style and really click. This goes for Slot, Nags, all these guys. Right now not only do I feel that the board have lost the plot but fans have lost any ability to be patient with whoever the new manager is.

thelak · May 27, 2023

Isn’t Potter a better fit than de zerbi

he took over a bunch of plodders and made them good

which is where we are relatively speaking

rather than already good team and taking it 1-2 steps further

Japhet · May 27, 2023

kent brockman said:
Yeah. Not saying Potter should be the chosen one.
Just think its a bit unfair to give him no credit for Brighton’s elevation (league position/football played).
Whereas I love Ange’s front-foot attacking approach, my two question marks with him are:
a. That he has (at the age of 57) never managed a team in a competitive league, and
b. If he can combine his attacking approach without also making us even more shaky at the back.
Tbf (b) will be a massive challenge for any new manager, as we basically only have one quality defender.

Most of the criticism of Celtic that I've heard is about them being unable to defend. That's a pretty major red flag for me tbh.

only1waddle · May 27, 2023

worcestersauce said:
This is a very good point, Brighton improved position measurably in the third season but the change in the first season with how they played was enormous and they were never in danger of relegation.
That's sort of where I am, we need to be looking at that level of change and growth and as a huge club we will obviously do better than Brighton. We have to start from square one.

I'm not sure it's as bad as square one but it does feel like it after another manager bites the dust.

For me, it could work with the right coach if..

- The right DOF/Head of Recruitment is appointed.
-The football is more front foot
-The new coach isn't a miserable bugger
- We make 5 quality signings
-We have a mini clear out, coupled with no Europe this could work out better for us with more time on the training ground.

I expect a shitshow, but it doesn't have to be if we start acting like grown ups.

Archibald&Crooks · May 27, 2023

Tucker said:
Depends what the aggregators decide to whip up.

The lack of aggregators being posted in here over the past couple of days have actually made this thread a little more balanced, a little less stress free and a lot less bullshit riddled. There's a lot less to get 'angry' about.

I think it's become, within the constraints of the utter shitshow being dished up by the club, a much better thread to read and participate in.

Oh Teddy Teddy · May 27, 2023

Japhet said:
Most of the criticism of Celtic that I've heard is about them being unable to defend. That's a pretty major red flag for me tbh.

Is that due to how they play? De Zerbi’s Brighton are so brave but the chances and openings they give up mean if they’re ever off it for a second, they can get battered (Everton, Newcastle etc)

ajspurs · May 27, 2023

Metalhead said:
I wonder if Potter had a bigger personality that he would be more attractive to fans. Notwithstanding the Chelsea tenure, he seems like a nice guy and clearly the players at Brighton identified with what he was trying to achieve but do people find him a bit bland as a character?

The thing with Potter is that I can't shake that aura of absolute cluelessness and incompetence he had on the touchline at Chelsea, like he had the look of a weak manager. Yet at the same time Chelsea are a mess so it's really hard to gauge that situation.

I would have been a lot more open to the prospect without that Chelsea stint.

Metalhead · May 27, 2023

ajspurs said:
The thing with Potter is that I can't shake that aura of absolute cluelessness and incompetence he had on the touchline at Chelsea, like he had the look of a weak manager. Yet at the same time Chelsea are a mess so it's really hard to gauge that situation.

I would have been a lot more open to the prospect without that Chelsea stint.

I know - I was thinking that. He was just a bad match for what Boehly wanted to do.

St José Dominguez · May 27, 2023

Metalhead said:
I wonder if Potter had a bigger personality that he would be more attractive to fans. Notwithstanding the Chelsea tenure, he seems like a nice guy and clearly the players at Brighton identified with what he was trying to achieve but do people find him a bit bland as a character?

A million percent. If he was funny or “cool” looking people would have been wanting him as manager much more strongly, previously and now. I think the fact he’s called Potter, is kind of boring and just looks like a normal bloke counts against him. I even think he knows this hence why he grew a beard at Chelsea.
I think the same goes with Howe who has done a brilliant job at Newcastle yet barely anyone would want him here.

Japhet · May 27, 2023

Oh Teddy Teddy said:
Is that due to how they play? De Zerbi’s Brighton are so brave but the chances and openings they give up mean if they’re ever off it for a second, they can get battered (Everton, Newcastle etc)

I think any team that play as aggressively as Celtic or Brighton will be vulnerable at the back. Liverpool were the same but compensated by bringing in VVD and Allisson. Don't think Levy would ever sanction that sort of transfer strategy though.

Rout-Ledge · May 27, 2023

I want a coach on an upward trajectory. Ange fits that bill, Potter is another ex-Chelsea damaged goods option. He may well be able to get his career back on track very soon, but I don’t think it should be with us.

muppetman · May 27, 2023

We need a reset as a club and so I think Potter, Ange or JN could all do that - it's why I wanted Slot. A new voice, a new approach and get back to basics - culture, attitude and so on. If and when we get that right we can then get back to thinking about being properly competitive.

Emphasis on could and not the definite would that so many seem to want.

Tucker · May 27, 2023

Archibald&Crooks said:
The lack of aggregators being posted in here over the past couple of days have actually made this thread a little more balanced, a little less stress free and a lot less bullshit riddled. There's a lot less to get 'angry' about.

I think it's become, within the constraints of the utter shitshow being dished up by the club, a much better thread to read and participate in.

Definitely.

Oh Teddy Teddy · May 27, 2023

Japhet said:
I think any team that play as aggressively as Celtic or Brighton will be vulnerable at the back. Liverpool were the same but compensated by bringing in VVD and Allisson. Don't think Levy would ever sanction that sort of transfer strategy though.

You're not wrong. Whether it's an aggressively attacking manager or not, our priority this window has to be in defence.

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