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Maske2g

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Feb 1, 2005
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Different formation every game showing a clear lack of belief in any system. Players looking to each other for instructions on the pitch. Can't score away, poor form at home,Individuals not performing. Confidence low, lacklustre work rate.

If he can't even get the latter out of the players then there really is no point turning up for the remaining league games.


14 points from 13 league games. Steve Bruce was sacked for the same. It's disgraceful form.

England can't come quick enough.
 

alpha

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Jun 27, 2005
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The question is why is this happening? Is it the distraction of England & Harry? Or, are there other factors Management, Coaching Tactics ect..

13 League Games ago we were playing City and think since we lost that - which ultimately meant out title hopes were slim - we have declined.

Prior to that the motivation was clear for all to see as the prize was on the table was much bigger. I do think since then the players and management have collectively lost their focus and you can see it in games, even when we have the majority of possession.

In many games, if we haven't scored by the 65th minute after 20 shots on target and 65% possession they seem to be anxious , impatient and frustrated as well as the fans - I think this is a big part of the problem.

If this happened to Manure in exactly the same position they wouldn't have capitulated and would have believed they could still win as a winning mentality is inherent at MUFC. Even if it was 0-0 against Wolves in the 90th min there would still be that belief that howard webb would give them another 10min they would score. And I think many Spurs fans agree - or did - think Spurs' squad is better on paper.
 

ajspurs

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I know a lot of people feel that the best thing to do is adapt your formation to suit the opposition but I would prefer us to primarily use the same system (4-3-3 for me) and to rotate only the personnel, not the setup.

We probably don't have the players to rotate sufficiently but even so, a 4-3-3 with Pienaar or possibly even Lennon coming in to replace Bale if needed, Lennon and VDV rotating the wide right postion, VDV possibly coming in for Modric if needed ahead of Sandro and Parker, Livermore to take the place of Sandro/Parker and the 3 strikers rotating. These are the types of things I would like see, not the same 11 every time even if it does look better on paper.
 

soup

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May 26, 2004
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That's the simple plan Fergie uses, stick to the system and change the players to match or better the opposition and it seems to work for them. That's why Utd. are consistent year on year and why players seem to slot in almost straight away. A player not performing in that position? Swap the player, not the whole shape of the team, sometimes even to accommodate a lesser player.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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I'm not defending Harry here, far from it, but I feel the players shouldn't escape some of the same. But i'll start with Harry anyway, When we play this formation we're open, we like to attack he says. Well how about tempering that with a bit of the lass fancy stuff? It's like we've been worked out by the rest of the league and he doesn't know what to do about it.

And as for the players. How about instead of drawing a few admiring 'oohs' and 'aahs' when someone ghosts past a player just inside our own half, how about that player has the character to do it where it'll actually hurt the opposition?

Some people might say they should get character etc from the manager, maybe, maybe not, some of these players have been here through several managers and you'd think that if they were ever going to get some sort of character or winning mentality, they'd have done it by now. And i'd add that there's CL on the line, a possible FA Cup Final, they've got 36,000 fans worshipping them every other week, playing for one of the biggest clubs in the country, what more of a carrot do you fucking need?

Some of them display no bollocks, no heart, no passion, no strength of character, no quality when it really matters. Regardless of the formation I think its possible that we've far too many players who turn it on on the 'easy' days, when the team as a whole clicks but are found wanting when the going gets tough, when it really matters. On the days when one or two are off colour there's nobody stepping up to make sure we grind out a result.

I dunno, maybe i'm wrong, but far too often, Tottenham fucking Hotspur have held the patent on building up our hopes and dreams only to lets us down in dazzling style.

This bunch are in danger of going down as the biggest chokers since the Boston fucking strangler.
 

ajspurs

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That's the simple plan Fergie uses, stick to the system and change the players to match or better the opposition and it seems to work for them. That's why Utd. are consistent year on year and why players seem to slot in almost straight away. A player not performing in that position? Swap the player, not the whole shape of the team, sometimes even to accommodate a lesser player.

Yep, exactly. Arsenal stuck with their 4-3-3 system even when they were playing shit but it's worked out for them in the end. Chamberlain swapping with Walcott on the right, Gervinho swapping with Benayoun on the left, Ramsey (even though I don't rate him) swapping with Rosicky and I'm sure they'd be doing the same with Wilshire. Despite that not looking like the best selection they can all come in and do similar jobs to each other.
 

Sweatybum

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The problem now is that the FA must be having second thoughts about Redknapp and his tactical deficiencies after these six torrid weeks that have seen us sitting pretty in third with a ten point gap, to potentially finishing sixth. If the FA don't want him, unless Levy sacks him and pays out the remainder of his contract we're stuck with him.
 

not_tenth-again

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I'm glad someone brought up the length of the bad run. All this talk of a blip is ridiiculous. Its a long slow slide backwards. The only blip in the run was newcastle, that was totally against the grain. Let admit what it is, its prolonged, its negative, potentially destructive and immensely worrying. Not sure where we go from here but changes must be made and quite possibly philosophies adjusted. We are potentially looking at no Europe next year if we dont.
 

Kingellesar

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I still think back to January, what a difference a couple of signings would've made. Yes we got Saha and Nelsen but that cost us nothing, both have been "decent" signings. What difference could another signing have made? Heck how about just keeping one or two that we let go on loan? Our squad has looked depleted in the past few weeks. Yes it is easy to sit here and say Pienaar could've been scoring for us but really? We let people go and not bring in back up, we have struggled in every transfer window Harry has had, is it him? Does he really not have a knowledge outside of the Premier League (VdV was pretty much a lucky transfer for him) or is it Levy holding back on giving him money to spend? I don't know but fuck me why did we not strengthen in January when we could have seriously pushed for the title and now we have to wonder, can we regroup and ever be in a title race again?
 

Stoof

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Jun 5, 2004
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"Redcrapp".

What a farcical thing for a Tottenham fan to say. Massively disrespectful. Massively lacking in tact and intelligence.

It beggars belief.
 

Kingellesar

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May 2, 2005
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By the way Stoof, despite the van Smurfie working, I have cancelled the statue of you outside the new stadium, I have sent it out on loan instead.
 

fortworthspur

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that was a crap team that turned us over at the lane today. personally I think Harry doesnt give a shit - he's gone next month. He's doing the club a disservice though.
 

Destroyer

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By the way Stoof, despite the van Smurfie working, I have cancelled the statue of you outside the new stadium, I have sent it out on loan instead.

slightly off topic Stoof - didnt you once have Danny Murphy as your avatar or is just me ??
 

InOffMeLeftShin

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It's shocking form. Changing tactics regularly giving us no continuity or belief in what we are doing and not rotating the players well enough so that we go into a game starting without our 3 most driven influential players (I mean the ones that actually have something dangling between their legs - Van Der Vaart, Gallas and Parker) are both down to the manager. I'd suggest that our severe lack of hustle, pressing and winning of 50/50's is the fault of both players and coaching staff. The lack of movement is mostly down the players and for sure the poor shooting is the fault of the players only. All of those things need to be made accountable before we can move on, players, coaches and Harry all need to stand up and admit to mistakes and ensure that they aren't going to happen again.

The negative energy surrounding the whole club has to change. Even before the game people assumed we were going to get caught by those below and that we had no chance of catching those above even though we were closer to Arsenal than Newcastle/Chelsea. The players are flat, the atmosphere at the games is full of nerves, grumbles, discontent, impatience. Now with 5 league games left we have to forget it all, forget the negativity and make the games full of positive energy.
 

guy

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May 31, 2007
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Stoof please smurf one of :
cisse
ben arfa
someone from chelski

We are in strife, real strife. Harry needs to do something different this week to get the players motivated again. Take them for a round of golf or something for god sake.

And just stick to 4-3-3 Harry
 

stemark44

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The players are fine,they looked happy and they worked hard enough for each other when we played 4-3-3.
Playing the system he played today was like sending a boxer into the ring with 1 arm tied behind his back.

It is all Redknapp's fault and if England don't take him off our hands at the end of the season,Levy needs to sack him!
 

stemark44

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The players are fine,they looked happy and they worked hard enough for each other when we played 4-3-3.
Playing the system he played today was like sending a boxer into the ring with 1 arm tied behind his back.

It is all Redknapp's fault and if England don't take him off our hands at the end of the season,Levy needs to sack him!
 

stemark44

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Mar 17, 2005
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The players are fine,they looked happy and they worked hard enough for each other when we played 4-3-3.
Playing the system he played today was like sending a boxer into the ring with 1 arm tied behind his back.

It is all Redknapp's fault and if England don't take him off our hands at the end of the season,Levy needs to sack him!
 

Jimmy Greaves

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I think they need to go to a brothel, Release some testosterone and maybe bring them back from the planet they currently on.
 
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