A Positive Danny Rose Post

[Good Doctor M]

You have said your self 'A defender's primary job is to defend' Its all very well the left back racing up the pitch helping the attack, but what about when the other team attacks is it ok to just amble back hoping that someone else will pick up the pieces?

"A defender's primary job is to defend, yes, when his team don't have the ball..."

It's not the internet if you can't be misquoted, out of context in a discussion, is it.

As for his defending, yes, it needs work, but in our current system, he's much better suited than Davies is to our general play.

 

[yido_number1]

It's not the 1970's anymore. I think it's arguably more important that Rose and Walker look to improve their attacking game than their defensive one. I don't think it's any coincidence that we've become a much more attacking threat with Rose and particularly Walker back in the team...

A defender's primary job is to defend, yes, when his team don't have the ball, but when we do have the ball, it's these guys jobs to stretch the pitch.

Considering we tend to have more possession in games than we do without it, you'd be hard pushed to convince me that we would be better off with more traditional defenders in the team. We wouldn't be playing as close to as well as we are if our full backs got nosebleeds upon crossing the halfway line.

Rose was at fault for the goal on Saturday but over all he had a good game. I've never particularly warmed to him but I think over all he doesn't deserve the stick he is getting over last night. The penalty was stupid but he wasn't massively at fault for any of the other goals. Ultimately Eriksen doesn't track back much, he tackles well up the pitch but how often do you see him outside left in front of Rose covering him. I would expect any LB to struggle without cover and Ibe will prove to be a good player in time.

Give him a break, don't knee jerk and give a young lad time to improve.

 

[Always Offside]

Rose was at fault for the goal on Saturday but over all he had a good game. I've never particularly warmed to him but I think over all he doesn't deserve the stick he is getting over last night. The penalty was stupid but he wasn't massively at fault for any of the other goals. Ultimately Eriksen doesn't track back much, he tackles well up the pitch but how often do you see him outside left in front of Rose covering him. I would expect any LB to struggle without cover and Ibe will prove to be a good player in time.

Give him a break, don't knee jerk and give a young lad time to improve.

This has long been an issue for us. When you consistently play CM's at LW (Modric, Siggy, Eriksen etc etc) they will all naturally drift centrally.

 

[yido_number1]

This has long been an issue for us. When you consistently play CM's at LW (Modric, Siggy, Eriksen etc etc) they will all naturally drift centrally.

Goes all the way back to MJ's time, Bale aside we haven't really had a left Mid since Ginola. Can add Kranjcar and Davids to that list as well probably Teemu as well...

Bentaleb was covering a lot on Tuesday maybe that is what he's been told to do.

 

[BillyWhizz]

I like Rose generally but he is not a natural defender so is playing catch up with his development. At 24 he should be nearing his prime but I can't see him ever being a competent left back. You can see it in Walker as well (he claimed he used to be a stiker!) but at least the decision to move him back was made during his teens so he has learnt enough to hold his own.

With Davies you can tell he's always been a defender. He's decent in the air too which is an improvement on Danny who gets dizzy when a high ball comes near him. Also Davies already seems happy to get forward he just needs to polish his crossing and decision making which hopefully our new coaching set up should help with fairly soon.

In some ways I'd like to see Rose for home games and Davies away and see who improves the most. It's probably not ideal to rotate the defence that much though so it's Davies for me. He just needs a good run of games to start feeling a part of the team as he doesn't quite look settled yet but that should come naturally. In all honestly I'd try and sell Danny in the summer should get a decent fee for him now.

 

[eddiebailey]

Goes all the way back to MJ's time, Bale aside we haven't really had a left Mid since Ginola. Can add Kranjcar and Davids to that list as well probably Teemu as well...

Bentaleb was covering a lot on Tuesday maybe that is what he's been told to do.

I think that has been the instruction to the CMs since probably before Poch was appointed; it is has been getting them to actually do it that has been the problem.

 

[chinaman]

I like Rose generally but he is not a natural defender so is playing catch up with his development. At 24 he should be nearing his prime but I can't see him ever being a competent left back. You can see it in Walker as well (he claimed he used to be a stiker!) but at least the decision to move him back was made during his teens so he has learnt enough to hold his own.

With Davies you can tell he's always been a defender. He's decent in the air too which is an improvement on Danny who gets dizzy when a high ball comes near him. Also Davies already seems happy to get forward he just needs to polish his crossing and decision making which hopefully our new coaching set up should help with fairly soon.

In some ways I'd like to see Rose for home games and Davies away and see who improves the most. It's probably not ideal to rotate the defence that much though so it's Davies for me. He just needs a good run of games to start feeling a part of the team as he doesn't quite look settled yet but that should come naturally. In all honestly I'd try and sell Danny in the summer should get a decent fee for him now.

But unfortunately he was also a failed winger which is quite obvious as although he outraces most defenders, he can't put in a proper cross.

I have no problem selling him and it would be at some profit, but again Davies is not an ideal first choice LB. Is there anyone in the juniors ready?

 

[Bobbins]

Time for Davies to get another shot. Poch has been very good about picking players to give them a chance when their competitor has a couple of poor performances, let's hope he does it again here.

I don't think Poch is convinced by either of them, same as most of us. But Rose has begun to slip back into his AWOL phase again and needs to stop it, especially when his only help on his side of the pitch is the 5'10" not-very-quick Eriksen, whereas Walker benefits from the 6ft non-stop worker that is Lamela.

Our left side is pretty physically weak, which is why I like to see Chadli out there if possible. Perhaps we should be looking at three behind Kane of the following when we're playing the more dangerous teams:

Chadli - Eriksen - Dembele

And revert back to the more familiar when against weaker teams:

Eriksen - Dembele - Lamela

 

[Blake Griffin]

i knew this would happen as soon as he had a poor game, he has the shortest rope of any player with fans on this forum.

 

[BillyWhizz]

i knew this would happen as soon as he had a poor game, he has the shortest rope of any player with fans on this forum.

Yeah but his average to poor performances have been going on since the start of last season, there's no knee jerk posts here at the moment.

 

[JerryGarcia]

I like both Rose and Davies but neither one of them is the finished article yet, they're going to make more mistakes in the future too but that's the risk you take with youngsters. If we're giving the manager time then the players need to be able to make mistakes without being hounded out, some people are just always in a hurry to write them off for some reason. let the rise of Kane be a lesson

 

[JerryGarcia]

i knew this would happen as soon as he had a poor game, he has the shortest rope of any player with fans on this forum.

You mean after Paulinho right?

 

[BillyWhizz]

But unfortunately he was also a failed winger which is quite obvious as although he outraces most defenders, he can't put in a proper cross.

I have no problem selling him and it would be at some profit, but again Davies is not an ideal first choice LB. Is there anyone in the juniors ready?

Kyle Walker-Peters is probably the closest but he doesn't look physically ready for the 1st team yet. I have faith in Davies, if Bentaleb and other younguns can nail down a place in the 1st team Davies should be able to as well.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Have people already forgotten about his performance against Arsenal?

 

[BillyWhizz]

Have people already forgotten about his performance against Arsenal?

Course not he did well for the majority of that game but he was also at fault for their goal and I think that side of his game is what people have a problem with. He makes too many mistakes and a lot of them are directly causing us to concede. I like his aggression it's something that Davies lacks a bit but Rose lacks basic defensive skills. It's not really his fault as he's grown up a winger (and not a good one) and I think it's been worth the experiment but for a player in his mid 20's he hasn't progressed much and is still making basic errors. In my opinion we can do much better.

 

[lukespurs7]

Rose is very up and down, he was fantastic and very influential in our wins vs Chelsea and Arsenal and he didn't have a shocker vs Liverpool, Ide and Sturridge would do that to most defenders they're very good players yes the penalty was a shame but he wasn't THAT bad.

I think he's improving and with his pace going forward offers more than Davies, for me Davies was a strange signing the way we are set-up in a 4-2-3-1 we need attacking full-backs to push on, if Rose was less error-prone and could defend a bit better he'd be world class, a mix of him and Davies would be perfect but for me at the moment Rose still edges it.

Calls to sell him are absurd, he's just signed a new contract and is only 24 just hope Potch can start to coach him to improve defensively, I think he's actually been more solid this year anyway just let himself down in a few games.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Rose is very up and down, he was fantastic and very influential in our wins vs Chelsea and Arsenal and he didn't have a shocker vs Liverpool, Ide and Sturridge would do that to most defenders they're very good players yes the penalty was a shame but he wasn't THAT bad.

I think he's improving and with his pace going forward offers more than Davies, for me Davies was a strange signing the way we are set-up in a 4-2-3-1 we need attacking full-backs to push on, if Rose was less error-prone and could defend a bit better he'd be world class, a mix of him and Davies would be perfect but for me at the moment Rose still edges it.

Calls to sell him are absurd, he's just signed a new contract and is only 24 just hope Potch can start to coach him to improve defensively, I think he's actually been more solid this year anyway just let himself down in a few games.

Yep. That little diagram earlier was funny buy remarkably accurate. When he has a poor match, he's shit and we should sell him (these have been a rarity this season), when he has a good match, people are singing his praises.

 

[lukespurs7]

Time for Davies to get another shot. Poch has been very good about picking players to give them a chance when their competitor has a couple of poor performances, let's hope he does it again here.

I don't think Poch is convinced by either of them, same as most of us. But Rose has begun to slip back into his AWOL phase again and needs to stop it, especially when his only help on his side of the pitch is the 5'10" not-very-quick Eriksen, whereas Walker benefits from the 6ft non-stop worker that is Lamela.

Our left side is pretty physically weak, which is why I like to see Chadli out there if possible. Perhaps we should be looking at three behind Kane of the following when we're playing the more dangerous teams:

Chadli - Eriksen - Dembele

And revert back to the more familiar when against weaker teams:

Eriksen - Dembele - Lamela

So the likes of Arsenal you mean?

 

[thinktank]

Time for Davies to get another shot. Poch has been very good about picking players to give them a chance when their competitor has a couple of poor performances, let's hope he does it again here.

I don't think Poch is convinced by either of them, same as most of us. But Rose has begun to slip back into his AWOL phase again and needs to stop it, especially when his only help on his side of the pitch is the 5'10" not-very-quick Eriksen, whereas Walker benefits from the 6ft non-stop worker that is Lamela.

Our left side is pretty physically weak, which is why I like to see Chadli out there if possible. Perhaps we should be looking at three behind Kane of the following when we're playing the more dangerous teams:

Chadli - Eriksen - Dembele

And revert back to the more familiar when against weaker teams:

Eriksen - Dembele - Lamela

Me neither; Rosie's pace is getting him the playtime at the mo, but Id be staggered if poch won't be onto a few LB options for the summer.

 

[Firsttouch]

thing is I think rose is the future! If he can learn from FC (as they are both wingers turned into attacking fullbacks) he could soon be playing for England

Firsttouch, Aug 31, 2013

FC = Fabio contreao