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A theory as to why Pochettino was hired...

kaz Hirai

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Long balls aren't bad when done with a purpose. Lambert was an effective target man and could bring others into play. Also, Rodriguez tended to run on to long balls. We have players that can play that more direct style of football, and it's good to mix things up a bit.

It is good to mix it up at times but I don't want 'hitting crouchy' to be our thing ever again
 

13VanDerBale13

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Best way to describe how awesome this thread is.

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idontgetit

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If we set-up like that it could work great provided Eriksen gets the ball quick and the front three actually play as a front three. If the oppo start getting attacks in down our flanks though you'll probably see the two wide players dropping off and leaving Soldado cock in hand on his own up front. Eriksen will stay higher up the pitch to support him and end up with less of the ball and probably in the back pocket of a DM. When he does get the ball he'll then have no one in front to thread the ball through to. Que Sandro and Dembele playing chuckle brothers in the middle of the pitch and the wide men getting the ball short, trying to take on set defences and blasting over from 30 yards

#AVBproblems
 
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Ossie85

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Very good analysis, but you have something wrong. Pochettino may have played under Bielsa, but the only thing they have in common is the high pressing, something many other managers have too. I don't understand why they keep saying this in every article. Every argentinian manager that has high pressure is suddenly a Bielsa disciple

Bielsa uses a 3-3-1-3, and he doesn't primarily use inverted wingers.

He played like this for Argentina and Chile, and I think also sometimes with Bilbao, but not entirely sure
.......................GK...........................
.......................Libero......................
.........Stopper..............Stopper.........
Wing Back..........Def Mid............Wing Back
Winger............Att Mid................Winger
................Center Forward....................

Bielsa is also completely rigid. He has one plan. No plan B. And there's no roaming for the players. Each of them has a role. There's no freedom.
 
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Spursidol

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Can't see Soldado is a good choice for a 4231 as he has very limited ability to 'do' hold up play.

Of the current strikers, both Adebayor and Kane would be better bets.

Think we would need one of the 2 CM's to be a decent passer - and neither of Dembele and Sandro are not, and neither is Paulhino whilst Capoue is ok but not great. . Not sure we would want to rely on Tom Carroll or Ryan Mason (although both could be good back ups) so think we'd need to buy a crerative passing CM, possibly losing one of Dembele and Paulhino.

Our injury problems at CB last season obviosly need consideration - do we need another non injury prone CB - as well as LB position, but these are probably generic to almost all sides and formations.
 

bomberH

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Are followers of Bielsa called Bielsabubs? THEY SHOULD BE.

Interesting post and if you are 17 as suggested, fuck me. Not literally of course, unless LukeBB is your nickname and your real name is LucyDD, in which case, Hi.

On a serious note, re the pressing, I may well be making this up but weren't Southampton proper shit during a large percentage of second halves this season, suggesting they weren't capable of sustaining the pressing game for 90 minutes and effectively wearing themselves out during excellent first halves? I wouldn't know where to find stats for stuff like that but I'm sure I remember this from either thinking it myself or watching an analysis from someone on tv who wasn't Paul Merson. That's my only issue with high intensity pressing, but we have the players to keep possession better so maybe we won't have to chase as much as Southampton did. My only other issue with high intensity pressing is I sometimes cum too quickly during an old fashioned dry romp, if I'm using the base of the underside of my penis to effectuate the rubbing.
 

jonnyp

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I hate the high line, especially against the better teams who have players who can control the ball and thread it through or over the top in a split second and undoubtedly punish us for it. Especially since none of our CBs are particularly pacey either.

At least I hope he will adapt his approach against the better teams, which AVB never did.
 

jolsnogross

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We've been on this train before. There were lengthy tomes about AVB's tactical approach before and just after he signed on and it was nauseating. A lot of that stuff just assumes the opponents haven't a brain cell between them, especially the high line. AVB was proof positive that this stuff means little and judgement should be reserved until we see some performances.

I hope Pochettino shows some flexibility and ingenuity in formation and selection and some attacking flare at all times. Then we should play entertaining footy and keep our win rate reasonably high, as it has been in recent years.
 

tototoner

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Are followers of Bielsa called Bielsabubs? THEY SHOULD BE.

Interesting post and if you are 17 as suggested, fuck me. Not literally of course, unless LukeBB is your nickname and your real name is LucyDD, in which case, Hi.

On a serious note, re the pressing, I may well be making this up but weren't Southampton proper shit during a large percentage of second halves this season, suggesting they weren't capable of sustaining the pressing game for 90 minutes and effectively wearing themselves out during excellent first halves? I wouldn't know where to find stats for stuff like that but I'm sure I remember this from either thinking it myself or watching an analysis from someone on tv who wasn't Paul Merson. That's my only issue with high intensity pressing, but we have the players to keep possession better so maybe we won't have to chase as much as Southampton did. My only other issue with high intensity pressing is I sometimes cum too quickly during an old fashioned dry romp, if I'm using the base of the underside of my penis to effectuate the rubbing.

Yes Southampton lost more points from winning positions than any other team in the league last season, due to players being knackered around the 60 min mark due to their high intensity pressing game.

It is a concern

Incidentally Tottenham gained the most points last season from losing positions
 

Japhet

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I hope Pochettino comes up with tactics which suit the players he has available rather than trying to implement a 'system' come what may. We all know how the 'high line' worked out last time with players who weren't suited to it.
 

Veuve Clicquot

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"It's a high paced, exciting brand of football which requires a lot of energy and fitness from our own players. While this can lead to an entertaining and dominating brand of football, it will require a lot of effort from our players and, if, executed poorly can lead to our team fading in the later stages of games"

As mentioned in previous posts this is the bit that worries me. At southampton the players bought into the double training sessions and the high intensity pressing game that his system requires. However they still faded in games and lost the most amount of points from losing positions, so im not convinced it is a playing style that will bring long term success without poch showing more flexibility.

I know saints have a smaller squad , but they also had the benefit of not being in europe and only playing one game a week.

Looking at some of our lazy players, this will be a massive shock to the system and they didn't take kindly to avb's double training sessions which he implemented but was asked to scrap as they were too exhausting.

I'm not getting all of the fuss about Bielsa either, he doesn't seem to have an overly impressive managerial career and only seems to stay at clubs for one or two years. Probably because the high intensity training and playing style has knackered the players out and it is difficult to play like that over a longer period of time.

I wouldn't be suprised if we start the season well due to the players riding the post sherwood wave while at the same time having some sort of tactical plan instead of no plan at all.

Will the players be able to keep it going though and especially when the europa league kicks in?

All will be revealed soon.







 

Gb160

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Awesome post....it's like it's been cut up into mouth size pieces for my stupid brain to munch up.
 

dagraham

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Can't see Soldado is a good choice for a 4231 as he has very limited ability to 'do' hold up play.

Of the current strikers, both Adebayor and Kane would be better bets.

Think we would need one of the 2 CM's to be a decent passer - and neither of Dembele and Sandro are not, and neither is Paulhino whilst Capoue is ok but not great. . Not sure we would want to rely on Tom Carroll or Ryan Mason (although both could be good back ups) so think we'd need to buy a crerative passing CM, possibly losing one of Dembele and Paulhino.

Our injury problems at CB last season obviosly need consideration - do we need another non injury prone CB - as well as LB position, but these are probably generic to almost all sides and formations.

At last someone actually recognises that Poch is not going to transform Soldado just because he speaks Spanish and isn't AVB or Sherwood.
 
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