Adam Smith

[Spurrific]

Not good enough and not young enough to develop into somebody that is.

 

[MattPhilpott]

I think Smith is a good player in a back 4 but I don't think in our wingback system he would be as suited.

Would love to see us go for someone like Ricardo Pereira at Nice (on loan from Porto) who has had a boss season for them! Or someone like Mitchell Weiser at Hertha Berlin, a Germany u21, can play RB, RWB, RM and RW, and is pretty good going forward and defending as well, has a good balance in his play

Just think it would be a couple of options who would suit our style more! Pereira especially!

 

[Bware]

I think Smith is a good player in a back 4 but I don't think in our wingback system he would be as suited.

Actually he has always been good going forward. If there are any question marks they would be defensive ones

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Actually he has always been good going forward. If there are any question marks they would be defensive ones

I think any half decent player would look questionable defensively along side Simon Francis and Steve Cook..

 

[dondo]

Maguire and now Smith both very average. Doesn't make any sense to me when we have a highly rated full back in the academy.

And ccv who received some compliments last season from pochettino.
Pochettino also said a while back something along the lines of "making room for our talented youngsters in the squad". Is that what we are doing with walker on the way out and possibly wimmer too?

 

[glospur]

Dier and Toby can both play there if needs be

It might be unpopular but I actually really like Dier at fullback. He's got a great cross on him, is deceptively quick, good in the air at the back stick and good defensively.

 

[WiganSpur]

And ccv who received some compliments last season from pochettino.
Pochettino also said a while back something along the lines of "making room for our talented youngsters in the squad". Is that what we are doing with walker on the way out and possibly wimmer too?

Hope so, would much rather CCV and KWP given a shot over those two.

We just came second in the league, with a philosophy of bringing through and developing young players. We should strengthen by all means, but we should be signing quality players, not a 26 year old Bournemouth full back who we sold because we didn't deem him good enough in the first place.

Either we bring in quality or we use the academy imo.

 

[Bware]

I think any half decent player would look questionable defensively along side Simon Francis and Steve Cook..

This is more about when he was with the development squad and also his time on loan

Obviously he has progressed as a player, but he always looked good going forward

 

[arunspurs]

This is more about when he was with the development squad and also his time on loan

Obviously he has progressed as a player, but he always looked good going forward

Even when he was at Spurs at 21, he showed better potential than likes of Naughton and I dare say Walker.
AVB simply did not take a chance with him. He went to U21 duty in summer & came late into preseason and he was ignored by AVB. That prompted him to leave in Jan window. The lad was never given a chance.
I remember in this very same forum people who saw him in youth games raving about him.

The fact that he took a big chance went to Bournemouth came up with them to PL and play well for 2 PL season says how strong a character he is. He has always been good going forward and he isnt defensively bad either.
He is a Tottenham fan. If we get him back , I would be delighted...

 

[WiganSpur]

Even when he was at Spurs at 21, he showed better potential than likes of Naughton and I dare say Walker.
AVB simply did not take a chance with him. He went to U21 duty in summer & came late into preseason and he was ignored by AVB. That prompted him to leave in Jan window. The lad was never given a chance.
I remember in this very same forum people who saw him in youth games raving about him.

The fact that he took a big chance went to Bournemouth cme up with them to PL and play well for 2 PL season says how strong a character he is. He has always been good going forward and he isnt defensively bad either.
He is a Tottenham fan. If we get him back , I woild be deliggted...

In today's market he would cost £15m. He's 26 years old and he's not better than Trippier. We have a very promising full back in the academy so please tell me why do we need Smith?

With a right back this summer we either buy a top quality fullback, sign someone very promising under 21 or we place our faith in KWP. Anything in between I think is just a waste of money that can be spent elsewhere.

 

[Sweech]

I really don't see why we don't just make KWP the backup. Even if he were to flop tremendously we could deputise Dier at RB with Trips until the January window when average talents like Adam Smith are available.

I think KWP should be ready and good enough. Were he not to be I would sooner go for someone like Hugo Mallo (was excellent against Man U) or Silvan Widmer (Former winger, fits Poch style) who I think are better and have more potential to fit the system than Smith.

 

[arunspurs]

In today's market he would cost £15m. He's 26 years old and he's not better than Trippier. We have a very promising full back in the academy so please tell me why do we need Smith?

With a right back this summer we either buy a top quality fullback, sign someone very promising under 21 or we place our faith in KWP. Anything in between I think is just a waste of money that can be spent elsewhere.

Kyle Walker Peters may be a topclass academy product but have you seen him play RB even in preseason ? Even in preseason, unfortunately he had to play Left Back for us and he was predictably unremarkable. Point is, for all his talents, we do not have any proof that he can actually step up. Don't get me wrong, he could become a great RB. But just assume that Trippier gets injured before 1st CL game and Dier also isnt available to play RB. Would you be comfortable playing KWP there ? I wouldn't, simply because I do not know what he can do or cannot do.

And you say he is not better than Trippier. How did you come to that conclusion ?

What is Walker's age ? 27, but isnt this the first year he has been acknowledged by others as a good or top PL right back ? So, is Smith just turning 26 means he cannot improve? For starters, he has no known weakness. People who claim he isnt defenisvely good cannot back that up. Just because he is playing for Bournemouth doesnt mean is a average RB or cannot defend.

 

[WiganSpur]

Kyle Walker Peters may be a topclass academy product but have you seen him play RB even in preseason ? Even in preseason, unfortunately he had to play Left Back for us and he was predictably unremarkable. Point is, for all his talents, we do not have any proof that he can actually step up. Don't get me wrong, he could become a great RB. But just assume that Trippier gets injured before 1st CL game and Dier also isnt available to play RB. Would you be comfortable playing KWP there ? I wouldn't, simply because I do not know what he can do or cannot do.

And you say he is not better than Trippier. How did you come to that conclusion ?

What is Walker's age ? 27, but isnt this the first year he has been acknowledged by others as a good or top PL right back ? So, is Smith just turning 26 means he cannot improve? For starters, he has no known weakness. People who claim he isnt defenisvely good cannot back that up. Just because he is playing for Bournemouth doesnt mean is a average RB or cannot defend.

Ok so there may be no proof in terms of first team appearances, but I'm going to base my opinion on the people that watch him every week in U21 games and when he plays for England. And in those opinions it is extremely rare to see someone say that they don't think he is ready. Based on that and our philosophy of giving youngsters a chance then I would be comfortable with playing KWP in such a game. The truth is if we don't take the risk then we will never see these players come through.

Why rush into spending say £15m on an OK, but unremarkable full back like Smith before even giving Walker-Peters a chance in pre-season? The fact is if we don't give the boy a chance then we will never now how good he can be and he might never realise that potential.

 

[WiganSpur]

I really don't see why we don't just make KWP the backup. Even if he were to flop tremendously we could deputise Dier at RB with Trips until the January window when average talents like Adam Smith are available.

I think KWP should be ready and good enough. Were he not to be I would sooner go for someone like Hugo Mallo (was excellent against Man U) or Silvan Widmer (Former winger, fits Poch style) who I think are better and have more potential to fit the system than Smith.

Couldn't agree more.

We have to consider Walker-Peters and even if he isn't ready there's still far better value for money and better right backs than Adam Smith.

 

[arunspurs]

Ok so there may be no proof in terms of first team appearances, but I'm going to base my opinion on the people that watch him every week in U21 games and when he plays for England. And in those opinions it is extremely rare to see someone say that they don't think he is ready. Based on that and our philosophy of giving youngsters a chance then I would be comfortable with playing KWP in such a game. The truth is if we don't take the risk then we will never see these players come through.

Why rush into spending say £15m on an OK, but unremarkable full back like Smith before even giving Walker-Peters a chance in pre-season? The fact is if we don't give the boy a chance then we will never now how good he can be and he might never realise that potential.

For starters, when we bought Trippier he was seen as a unremarkable full back playing for a poor Burnley. And see how well he has grown into his game.

I didn't say don't give a chance to KWP in preseason. Give him a chance & see how he does. There is no timelimit to buy Adam Smith. We could even buy him after PL starts & before the window shuts.

Just curious if you would state the same, if its Onomah for a starting spot than KWP. We give youngsters a chance , no doubt . But they may work & may not work or simply may take more time like Onomah. Question though is, can we afford to take that risk ?

Regarding Smith - his career path is very similar to Rose, interms of positions he played. While he started as a RB, like Rose he played predominantly in RM. In the season Bournemouth got promoted he played as RM & LM mainly and sparingly used at RB. In PL though , he has been used as a RB. Considering this, he has done remarkably well in his short PL career.

He is a player on the up, having played 3000 minutes in PL this season with 5 assists & a goal - thats better than Walker, having played in a average team that leaks goals all over the park. He is technically good for a RB and he is largely intelligent on the ball. He has positional issues like any learning RB, but still has very good interception rate than Walker or Trippier.

If KWP can prove he is good enough in preseason, I dont mind the risk for 6 months. But if he seems unreliable, then I don't mind a 12m to 15m punt on Smith. He has a upside to his game,and given he is a Spurs fan at heart, its a added bonus to the squad.

 

[SDogg]

Imagine suggesting that we play Toby one of, if not the best centre back in Europe as our right back as a back up!Absolutely ridiculous comment to make! Under no circumstances do you move your best centre back to cover another position.

 

[WiganSpur]

For starters, when we bought Trippier he was seen as a unremarkable full back playing for a poor Burnley. And see how well he has grown into his game.

I didn't say don't give a chance to KWP in preseason. Give him a chance & see how he does. There is no timelimit to buy Adam Smith. We could even buy him after PL starts & before the window shuts.

Just curious if you would state the same, if its Onomah for a starting spot than KWP. We give youngsters a chance , no doubt . But they may work & may not work or simply may take more time like Onomah. Question though is, can we afford to take that risk ?

Regarding Smith - his career path is very similar to Rose, interms of positions he played. While he started as a RB, like Rose he played predominantly in RM. In the season Bournemouth got promoted he played as RM & LM mainly and sparingly used at RB. In PL though , he has been used as a RB. Considering this, he has done remarkably well in his short PL career.

He is a player on the up, having played 3000 minutes in PL this season with 5 assists & a goal - thats better than Walker, having played in a average team that leaks goals all over the park. He is technically good for a RB and he is largely intelligent on the ball. He has positional issues like any learning RB, but still has very good interception rate than Walker or Trippier.

If KWP can prove he is good enough in preseason, I dont mind the risk for 6 months. But if he seems unreliable, then I don't mind a 12m to 15m punt on Smith. He has a upside to his game,and given he is a Spurs fan at heart, its a added bonus to the squad.

Trippier made much more sense at the time.

2 years ago Walker-Peters was not ready, we had the chance to buy him for £3.5m and just my opinion but I rated him more then than I do Smith now.

I don't think he is awful, but he's just pretty mediocre in my opinion and now with KWP further along in his development it makes sense to start bringing him in.

 

[Flashspur]

Couldn't agree more.

We have to consider Walker-Peters and even if he isn't ready there's still far better value for money and better right backs than Adam Smith.

I don't know, I saw Walker Peters play a couple of times a year ago now and was not impressed. He was lightweight and poor as an attacker. I thought he was better defensively. I think he will make an OK FB but there was nothing a year ago that was remarkable. I am still wondering what all the fuss is about. Perhaps he has come on recently but to compare him to Adam Smith who is playing week in week out in the PL is laughable.

 

[arunspurs]

Trippier made much more sense at the time.

2 years ago Walker-Peters was not ready, we had the chance to buy him for £3.5m and just my opinion but I rated him more then than I do Smith now.

I don't think he is awful, but he's just pretty mediocre in my opinion and now with KWP further along in his development it makes sense to start bringing him in.

If you view Smith as unremarkable RB now, fact is Trippier was viewed as unremarkable then , regardless of his price.

All these talks around KWP is nice. But fact is I haven't seen him play & you haven't seen him play either. So, am not sure how anyone can say whether he has developed or not developed ?

 

[WiganSpur]

I don't know, I saw Walker Peters play a couple of times a year ago now and was not impressed. He was lightweight and poor as an attacker. I thought he was better defensively. I think he will make an OK FB but there was nothing a year ago that was remarkable. I am still wondering what all the fuss is about. Perhaps he has come on recently but to compare him to Adam Smith who is playing week in week out in the PL is laughable.

Point still stands, even if he isn't ready then why sell Walker to bring in Adam Smith? KWP or not there are still better full backs out there. Exactly the same applies to Maguire but for some reason people are still happy for us to spend £22m on him too.