Adama Traore

[Jamturk]

I don't understand some of the posts on here sneering at a player that has just run through our defence repeatedly.

We came 7th last season.

 

[LeBonge79]

The worrying thing was that when he went through on goal, I was so calm.

You won’t be that calm when he’s doing it in our shirt! ?

 

[Mr Pink]

Love to shift Winks and Doherty to Wolves...and get Traore and Neves.

If only that simple lol

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I don't understand some of the posts on here sneering at a player that has just run through our defence repeatedly.

We came 7th last season.

Something else that's confusing me is this 'end product' thing.

Take a look at Dembele's assists/goals stats for us. It's somewhere around 12 goals, 12 assists in around 250 games. Now, I never really bought into how effective he was but the argument was (and probably still is) the effect he had on the team and games outside of the assists/goals shizzle.

Traore? Well according to the Premier League website it's 7 goals and 14 assists in around 150 games.

Guess which one is being assassinated because of his lack of 'end product' whilst the pro Dembele argument is conveniently set aside.

Now this isn't a pop at Dembele, people rate him and on his day he was a brilliant footballer it's an observation on how inconsistently we can apply certain 'rules'

I can give you another. Harry Kane, but that's for his thread

 

[L-man]

 

[Syn_13]

Something else that's confusing me is this 'end product' thing.

Take a look at Dembele's assists/goals stats for us. It's somewhere around 12 goals, 12 assists in around 250 games. Now, I never really bought into how effective he was but the argument was (and probably still is) the effect he had on the team and games outside of the assists/goals shizzle.

Traore? Well according to the Premier League website it's 7 goals and 14 assists in around 150 games.

Guess which one is being assassinated because of his lack of 'end product' whilst the pro Dembele argument is conveniently set aside.

Now this isn't a pop at Dembele, people rate him and on his day he was a brilliant footballer it's an observation on how inconsistently we can apply certain 'rules'

I can give you another. Harry Kane, but that's for his thread

To be fair, Dembele's position and role was not a direct attacking one. His job was to soak up pressure and then move the ball on or initiate attacks by bringing it forward.

Traore is an attacking winger. I'm not so concerned about goals but I do feel he should be getting more assists with his ability to skin defenders and get in behind players.

It is about the setup of the rest of the team though. I'm not against him, but I feel that if we sign him it'll not add much to raising the overall ability of the team. For me he's better than Bergwijn, but I'd still rather play Moura who has better end product.

 

[Basil Brush]

Something else that's confusing me is this 'end product' thing.

Take a look at Dembele's assists/goals stats for us. It's somewhere around 12 goals, 12 assists in around 250 games. Now, I never really bought into how effective he was but the argument was (and probably still is) the effect he had on the team and games outside of the assists/goals shizzle.

Traore? Well according to the Premier League website it's 7 goals and 14 assists in around 150 games.

Guess which one is being assassinated because of his lack of 'end product' whilst the pro Dembele argument is conveniently set aside.

Now this isn't a pop at Dembele, people rate him and on his day he was a brilliant footballer it's an observation on how inconsistently we can apply certain 'rules'

I can give you another. Harry Kane, but that's for his thread

Surely dembele and traore play completely different positions as mentioned previously.

You only had to watch yesterday to see how poor traore is with his end product. It is almost embarrassing for an attacking winger to be that poor with his end product.

 

[Legacy]

Something else that's confusing me is this 'end product' thing.

Take a look at Dembele's assists/goals stats for us. It's somewhere around 12 goals, 12 assists in around 250 games. Now, I never really bought into how effective he was but the argument was (and probably still is) the effect he had on the team and games outside of the assists/goals shizzle.

Traore? Well according to the Premier League website it's 7 goals and 14 assists in around 150 games.

Guess which one is being assassinated because of his lack of 'end product' whilst the pro Dembele argument is conveniently set aside.

Now this isn't a pop at Dembele, people rate him and on his day he was a brilliant footballer it's an observation on how inconsistently we can apply certain 'rules'

I can give you another. Harry Kane, but that's for his thread

But Dembele and Traore play in completely different positions with completely different roles?

Traore's playing as one of the attacking players, so it should be his job to be getting amongst the goals and assists. We've already got Lucas and Bergwijn as attacking options that don't directly contribute to many goals, meaning we have to overly rely on Son and Kane to get the ball in the net.

I'd take Traore if it meant we're selling Lucas and Bergwijn, but we also need someone who can actually score too. God knows how poorly we would've finished in the league had we not had Bale on loan to get some goals for us.

 

[tiger666]

He has a higher potential ceiling than anyone in our current sqaud.

What does even mean? In your opinion he can be a better player than Kane, Son etc? I don't see it.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

To be fair, Dembele's position and role was not a direct attacking one. His job was to soak up pressure and then move the ball on or initiate attacks by bringing it forward.

IMO It doesn't really matter what their roles were, it's the stick used, exactly like Dembele, Traore's actual influence on games can be far more than assists and goals, it's his effect on our play, his effect on the opposition and how they set up. This is why manager after manager have rated him. But the 'end product' thing is the main objection people have and those stats illustrate the inconsistency.

I say give him a go, other teams will worry about him and with the quality in the side around him which I think fair to say is superior to what he's used to, I wouldn't mind betting his stats improve.

But i'm sure plenty will disagree

 

[Basil Brush]

What does even mean? In your opinion he can be a better player than Kane, Son etc? I don't see it.

Also Traore is 25. How much more can he improve?

 

[spurmin]

IMO It doesn't really matter what their roles were, it's the stick used, exactly like Dembele, Traore's actual influence on games can be far more than assists and goals, it's his effect on our play, his effect on the opposition and how they set up. This is why manager after manager have rated him. But the 'end product' thing is the main objection people have and those stats illustrate the inconsistency.

I say give him a go, other teams will worry about him and with the quality in the side around him which I think fair to say is superior to what he's used to, I wouldn't mind betting his stats improve.

But i'm sure plenty will disagree

Aaron Lennon had not a lot of end product and he was much loved by many. Not in size and power but they have many similarities IMO

 

[tiger666]

Also Traore is 25. How much more can he improve?

Quite. There seems to be a lot of "if he can add goals" or "if he can improve his passing" etc. He's 25, what you see is what you get. This looks crazy for £40m.

 

[dudu]

IMO It doesn't really matter what their roles were, it's the stick used, exactly like Dembele, Traore's actual influence on games can be far more than assists and goals, it's his effect on our play, his effect on the opposition and how they set up. This is why manager after manager have rated him. But the 'end product' thing is the main objection people have and those stats illustrate the inconsistency.

I say give him a go, other teams will worry about him and with the quality in the side around him which I think fair to say is superior to what he's used to, I wouldn't mind betting his stats improve.

But i'm sure plenty will disagree

I think you summed it up perfectly. People are still so concerned with each individual player and what they bring for their own sake when there is a need to focus more on how they are going to help the team.

 

[dudu]

Also Traore is 25. How much more can he improve?

If all he has to do is get a 'better end product' then how much more does he need to improve? Not that much really

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Quite. There seems to be a lot of "if he can add goals" or "if he can improve his passing" etc. He's 25, what you see is what you get. This looks crazy for £40m.

Wasn't Jamie Vardy playing for Fleetwood town aged 25?

 

[THOWIG]

I think you summed it up perfectly. People are still so concerned with each individual player and what they bring for their own sake when there is a need to focus more on how they are going to help the team.

Our focus should be on the middle of the pitch and finding a player who can actually pass the ball forward and control the tempo of the game.
After that totally fine.

 

[tiger666]

Wasn't Jamie Vardy playing for Fleetwood town aged 25?

Yeah but it's still rare for a player to improve much past that age.

 

[n0.1.spurs]

I don't understand some of the posts on here sneering at a player that has just run through our defence repeatedly.

We came 7th last season.

You say that like our defence is usually regarded for how amazing it is.

 

[JacoZA]

IMO It doesn't really matter what their roles were, it's the stick used, exactly like Dembele, Traore's actual influence on games can be far more than assists and goals, it's his effect on our play, his effect on the opposition and how they set up. This is why manager after manager have rated him. But the 'end product' thing is the main objection people have and those stats illustrate the inconsistency.

I say give him a go, other teams will worry about him and with the quality in the side around him which I think fair to say is superior to what he's used to, I wouldn't mind betting his stats improve.

But i'm sure plenty will disagree

I was thinking about Dembele as well re: Adama, but more about how he only turned into the player most fondly remembered, once Poch had figured out how to use him. And this was a player who joined us when he was 25. So perhaps Adama could still step up another level? (…when Poch returns and figures out how to use him, hehehe)