Are we really as bad as we think we are?

[ShayLaB]

How did we go through the entire season and not try this?

TBH I know why.

Even without incomings that looks like it could be nicely balanced and really effective

...........Son Kane.........
.............Alli...........
..........TN PEH GL.........
Reggi...................Matt(Wolves)
......Davis Toby Rodon......
............Hugo............


The only problem is leaves me with is where to play Bale. #FirstWorldProblem


Edit: agghhh..it removes all the spaces when I posted. 3521 or 5321 depending on how you want to view it. Adds dirty layout hack.

 

[Blake Griffin]

How did we go through the entire season and not try this?

TBH I know why.

Even without incomings that looks like it could be really effective

-----------Son Kane
-------------Alli
----------TN PEH GL
Reggi-------------------Matt(Wolves)
------Davis Toby Rodon
------------Hugo


The only problem is leaves me with is where to play Bale. #FirstWorldProblem


Edit: agghhh..it removes all the spaces when I posted. 3521 or 5321 depending on how you want to view it. Adds dirty layout hack.

probably because it's against the rules ...

 

[Shadydan]

If we get it right this summer and that includes getting rid of the shit, getting some players in that are good and actually care and keep Kane then no we are fine, I think things tend to look worse from the outside because we spiraled out of control this season and we don't currently have a manager however since the arrival of Paratici I'm actually pretty excited now that we have a DOF structure because it means we are doing this properly or at least trying to - obvious question marks over Fonseca but I've always said that if you have the right structure any manager half decent would do well.

 

[chas vs dave]

probably because it's against the rules ...

To be fair, our new manager is experimental. He once tried a new method by throwing on an additional substitute...

 

[Guntz]

 

[ShayLaB]

probably because it's against the rules ...

LOL...I kept flip-flopping between having Tanguy or Dele that I forgot to leave one of them out as I tried to figure out the best way to present it without all the white spaces vanishing

 

[JeremyPaxton]

We dropped 23 points from winning positions last season
We finished 5 points out of the CL places.

That suggests the raw talent is there, so the issues are: tactics, training, game management and mentality.

 

[SandroClegane]

We are probably the 6th 7th best team in the league, and if Levy do not invest or find money somewhere, he can keep talking up our great stadium, but our team will probably be hanging around the 7th 8th place in years to come i am afraid.

Yes Spurs are self sustained, but that means shit if Everton and Leicester have owners that keep investing in the team, then they will overtake us in a couple of years and our Super league flirt just looks even more pathetic Just have to laugh when he mentioned FFP in that interview as well. Strange how some teams in the league can invest billions on players over 5 years without any punishment then.

Everton spent a shit ton of money last summer, how did that turn out for them?

 

[riggi]

Ye

 

[topper]

Ye

I'm desperately waiting for your next post riggi

 

[allatsea]

We dropped 23 points from winning positions last season
We finished 5 points out of the CL places.

That suggests the raw talent is there, so the issues are: tactics, training, game management and mentality.

What this person said !

 

[RuskyM]

the team was far better than mourinho was making it look; there's enough quality in the likes of tanguy, hugo, bergwijn, dele, toby, hojbjerg, lo celso & reguilon (as well as the obvious two) to be in league challenging teams, and with exciting players like sessegnon, skipp, japhu & rodon there's reasons to be optimistic.

*however* last season's team is very different from this season's: the probable departure of kane (in mind if not in practice), the quite poorly received manager choice which will require time that an understandably impatient fanbase won't give, the restructuring of our recruitment which will also bring teething problems: i just don't see how the club can have any form of success with this much unpredictability. honestly, i think we'll be about 10th next season.

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

The problem is we think we are too good, and the players think so too. Too good to defend, too good to play counter attacking football, to good to follow manager instructions.

Heck even Levy thinks we are too good, not to sign Ruben Dias and Skriniar.

Theres one constant trait in Tottenham, and its not attractive free flowing attacking football, thats just a big myth, i have watched us play. The constant trait is complacency.

 

[dontcallme]

I remember when we progressed to 5th under Arnesen and Jol. The gap between us and the top 4 at the time was huge. We need to massively increase our turnover and get football decisions consistently right to compete with them. Then City got new owners and the top 6 was formed.

But at the time the gap between us and the clubs below us was huge. In terms of turnover and direction of the club we were comfortably ahead of the likes of Everton, Newcastle, Villa, West Ham etc.

But now the likes of Everton and Leicester have new owners and we have competition outside of those with clearly higher turnovers than ourselves.

If we keep Kane and Son then we have 2 players who can score the goals that should keep us in the running for top 4. But we need good signings to bed in quickly or the likes of Ndombele, Lo Celso, Bergwijn to step up another gear or we'll be around top 7 again.

 

[Metalhead]

I remember when we progressed to 5th under Arnesen and Jol. The gap between us and the top 4 at the time was huge. We need to massively increase our turnover and get football decisions consistently right to compete with them. Then City got new owners and the top 6 was formed.

But at the time the gap between us and the clubs below us was huge. In terms of turnover and direction of the club we were comfortably ahead of the likes of Everton, Newcastle, Villa, West Ham etc.

But now the likes of Everton and Leicester have new owners and we have competition outside of those with clearly higher turnovers than ourselves.

If we keep Kane and Son then we have 2 players who can score the goals that should keep us in the running for top 4. But we need good signings to bed in quickly or the likes of Ndombele, Lo Celso, Bergwijn to step up another gear or we'll be around top 7 again.

When you say higher turnovers do you mean more wealth in terms of the owners? I would think that with a fully functioning stadium, our turnover would exceed both Leicester and Everton, not just with match day but also NFL and other events.

 

[dontcallme]

When you say higher turnovers do you mean more wealth in terms of the owners? I would think that with a fully functioning stadium, our turnover would exceed both Leicester and Everton, not just with match day but also NFL and other events.

Our turnover exceeds Everton and Leicester but with FFP being loosened and largely fruitless anyway the money Everton and Leicester are spending makes them competition for us.

When Jol made us the 5th best club in the country we were far ahead of the clubs below us. This is no longer the case.

 

[Metalhead]

Our turnover exceeds Everton and Leicester but with FFP being loosened and largely fruitless anyway the money Everton and Leicester are spending makes them competition for us.

When Jol made us the 5th best club in the country we were far ahead of the clubs below us. This is no longer the case.

That is definitely a problem and there are no obvious consequences with a lot of owners in the modern era unlike say with Leeds where everything was spent on the back of loans that did have to be repaid.

There is no excuse for on the pitch investment not to increase off the back of increasing revenue from the new stadium but we'll only believe it when we see it.

 

[dontcallme]

That is definitely a problem and there are no obvious consequences with a lot of owners in the modern era unlike say with Leeds where everything was spent on the back of loans that did have to be repaid.

There is no excuse for on the pitch investment not to increase off the back of increasing revenue from the new stadium but we'll only believe it when we see it.

We've certainly increased our spending. This is most notable in our salaries. Paying £200k a week to Ndombele is something we couldn't have done several seasons ago.

But of course we have to get the signings right and if we pay poor players a high salary it makes it very difficult to sell them.

Leicester City 2022 Salary Cap

Leicester City 2022 payroll table, including breakdowns of salaries, bonuses, incentives, weekly wages, and more.

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Leicester now have 3 players on over £100k a week. Plus they seem to be getting the right signings more often than not added to selling numerous players for high fees. Right now they're following our old model and doing it very well.

 

[Metalhead]

We've certainly increased our spending. This is most notable in our salaries. Paying £200k a week to Ndombele is something we couldn't have done several seasons ago.

But of course we have to get the signings right and if we pay poor players a high salary it makes it very difficult to sell them.

Leicester City 2022 Salary Cap

Leicester City 2022 payroll table, including breakdowns of salaries, bonuses, incentives, weekly wages, and more.

www.spotrac.com

Leicester now have 3 players on over £100k a week. Plus they seem to be getting the right signings more often than not added to selling numerous players for high fees. Right now they're following our old model and doing it very well.

That's the key isn't it. Smart signings don't necessarily have to be the most expensive. It's not like we haven't spent and all clubs make the occasional poor signing but we seem to have made a lot over the last decade.

 

[dontcallme]

That's the key isn't it. Smart signings don't necessarily have to be the most expensive. It's not like we haven't spent and all clubs make the occasional poor signing but we seem to have made a lot over the last decade.

Absolutely. When we were the 5th best club we had an interesting buying position. We missed out on players like Arshavin and Rosicky but at the same time we could buy the likes of Bale, Carrick, Eriksen etc as we could offer them 1st team football. Being a stepping stone was actually a good thing for us.

When I look at our current squad I don't think we are as bad as we think. We have some issues to deal with but 3 positive signings and a few of our current players stepping up and I see no reason we can't compete for top 4.

Leicester don't have anyone of the quality of Kane and Son and neither do any of the other clubs outside the self-appointed top 6.