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glacierSpurs

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there has been various suggestions of this topic in various threads.. thought it will be good if all discussions of such can be consolidated here.. did a search for similar threads but those were outdated with AVB still in charged.. (yeah suddenly AVB's name got mentioned alot these two days..)

mainly this is not entirely on what position of a player we need to invest on in transfer windows.. but rather it is more of a certain attributes of a player or team we need to have a proficiency on.. and thus the discussion goes even wider in range, i.e abilities, tactics, mindsets, training methods etc, than hoping to acquiring a certain player and wish he can do a job..

below are my thoughts, and a few actually got mentioned by some in different threads:

Pace - we severely lacked this.. Bale, Lennon, Townsend.. our speed demons are all gone.. just looked at how Townsend almost skinned Davies alive made me wonder if we made a mistake in selling him.. he was possibly our last pacy players.. Yedlin was loaned out.. Walker seems to be slower than before to me.. not sure if we have any emphasis on speed in our training, but I hardly see the results in games.. Sissoko tore us apart last night with the speedy counter..nevermind we played with 3 at the back, but at least our acceleration needs to be up there.. Davies almost lost out to another barcode player while running his life out to pass the ball back to Lloris even though he was a yard or two in front first.. without pace, there is no way we can carry out counter effectively.. Njie could be a wild card for next season.. if not, an addition with pace is very important IMO..

Power - if we combine the above and power, we have Sissoko, or Bolasie, some quick names that sprung to mind.. Lennon may be quicker, but if player like Bolasie can reach out a foot and muscle back the ball, that is added point.. we have power in Dembele in shielding, in a certain Toby, Wimmer in defending, Kane in holding up and shooting.. I would have hope we can toughen up certain players, especially in the midfield to add this attribute to their abilities.. we can be tough and stood up to challengers and lunges and taunts from chelscum kinda low-class players.. Mason stood up.. but he has no power.. he got robbed of the ball easily.. he has no explosive bursts when needed in counter..

Leadership - need I say, the current players have none IMO.. they mainly only seem to moan when passes were not made to them when they were in a better scoring positions.. we greatly lacked players leading over the other in times of need.. when the going gets tough, like against WBA, Southhampton, there needs to have a figure in the field to hold the team mentality back to winning ways.. we were slightly better this season, until after the chelscum games.. even at times of failure, a leader gotta understand the next objective and bring the rest to meet that.. I am not sure if this area could be trained, for I personally think part of it is in-born.. frankly I am not a fan of Lloris or Verts being the captain.. Kane and Toby possibly yes.. if not, we need an experienced player who had seriously won some big shit in the team who understand he may not be a first XI always, but still commanded respect from the lads when called upon in the field..

Crossings, deliveries
- technically good we may be, but crossings we sux.. all players should have this ability honed for next season.. our fullbacks were good, but not great.. Walker fluffed it too often under pressure though.. and corner takers, whoever have the balls not cleared beyond the first man and/or gathered by the keeper should be fined wages.. we need to make every deadball situation counts.. while we scored a couples from corners this season, I believe we can contribute more if deliveries were much better..

Dribbling - one-twos are becoming more common, but if certain players can dribble past opponents and open up the spaces, we have very gifted players to run into.. we need confident players to do take-ons and confident means they need to be supported by fans.. I think frustrations translated down from fans when certain players could not dribble past opponents will prevent them to dribble anymore..Lamela, Son, Njie to name a few, seemed to dribble less as the season goes..

RB - I am not sure if Yedlin will be in our team next year.. but I see Trippier and him will be moved on.. I wish to see Trippier developed, but I guess his pace is losing the spot to Walker.. I have no names in mind, but I wish a quality RB really can come and have Walker earned the spot by his own merit..

a break for now.. let's keep this going
 

oskathegobshite

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N'Jie is pretty quick to be fair as are Walker and Rose. Agree a good dribbler who is less predictable than what we have would be nice.

I think cover for Kane is a must as we all know and, after the last few games, I would like to see us go after a top bracket box to box player to compete with Dembele.
 

NeverRed

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I think it's something like this, ignoring those development squad players that didn't feature in the squad on match day


Great: -

Very good: Kane,

(Generally!) consistently good: lloris, rose, alderweirald, lamela, dembele

***

Good, with age/potential: dier, ali, eriksen, wimmer

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Good: walker, vertonghen

Squad, with potential: carroll, bentaleb, mason, yedlin, ccv, njie, son, trippier, pritchard, onomah, winks

Squad: vorm, chadli, davies

surplus: fazio


So vorm and squad potential aside.. look at squad upgrades below the line, and adding above the stars

From OP aspect we need pace and power, directness, but also players skilled in tactics of seeing games out and handling direct attacks (crosses and runs) into our box.
 
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double0

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We need a true leader at the back I honestly feel Wimmer is that man move Vertonghen back or on.
CM and Striker.
 

BromleySpur

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Two things required:

Game changers, either to start or bring off the bench. That means a striker offering something a bit different to Kane, and at least one attacking midfielder with good pace, dribbling and shooting.

Squad depth. As we all know, our first eleven is largely fine, but we're really lacking in any depth. This is particularly true of our striker and centre midfield options.

In terms of actual targets, not much different to what others are saying e.g.

Batshuayi, Lacazette, Mahrez, Wanyama, Schneiderlin, Kante, Arnautovic, Mane, Berahino.
 

brasil_spur

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Looking at it player by player, here's my take:

GK: Only area of the team that doesn't need change this season IMO.

RB: I think Walker and Trippier are good enough options - no changes here.
CB: TA, JV and Wimmer are all very good players, we need a quality 4th option though in case JV looses form again. And no CCV is not the answer.
LB: Rose is strong, Davies i'm a little unsure on. I don't think it is a massive priority area for us this summer.

DM: Desperately need backup/rotation to Dier.
CM: Desperately need backup/rotation to Dembele.

AM: We play with 6 AMs effectively, in my mind the only ones that are good enough are: Alli, Erikssen, Lamela and Son. That means two new AMs - i would be willing to give Clinton a chance and only bring in one new one though, with Onomoah as possible outside squad option.

ST: Clearly need a back-up rotation for Kane.

So for me that's the following incomings needed:

CB: Someone like the Wimmer signing from last summer.
DM: Quality DM player that can also play alongside Dier if required.
CM: Quality CM that can step into Dembele's shoes.
AM: Chadli to go, Son and Clinton to be bottom of pecking order.
ST: Rotation and competition for Kane.

That being said i think we can live without a CB coming in IF we can get a seriously solid pair of new midfielders for DM and CM rotation.

Splitting that into categories for me that's:
  • GAME CHANGERS: AM and ST
  • STRONG SQUAD PLAYERS: DM and CM
I would expect us to need to spend close to £40m on the two game changers and close to £30m on the two strong squad players.

I think we can recoup around £20m for players that are available to leave. £50m net spend sounds borderline feasible to me.
 

dagraham

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I don't think Walker is looking slower at all - he just can't cross.

Don't think he'll ever learn. To be honest, even Rose is often wasteful with his final ball and if we are to buy the likes of Batshuyi we will need to step up our delivery into the box.
 

For the love of Spurs

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Looking at it player by player, here's my take:

GK: Only area of the team that doesn't need change this season IMO.

RB: I think Walker and Trippier are good enough options - no changes here.
CB: TA, JV and Wimmer are all very good players, we need a quality 4th option though in case JV looses form again. And no CCV is not the answer.
LB: Rose is strong, Davies i'm a little unsure on. I don't think it is a massive priority area for us this summer.

DM: Desperately need backup/rotation to Dier.
CM: Desperately need backup/rotation to Dembele.

AM: We play with 6 AMs effectively, in my mind the only ones that are good enough are: Alli, Erikssen, Lamela and Son. That means two new AMs - i would be willing to give Clinton a chance and only bring in one new one though, with Onomoah as possible outside squad option.

ST: Clearly need a back-up rotation for Kane.

So for me that's the following incomings needed:

CB: Someone like the Wimmer signing from last summer.
DM: Quality DM player that can also play alongside Dier if required.
CM: Quality CM that can step into Dembele's shoes.
AM: Chadli to go, Son and Clinton to be bottom of pecking order.
ST: Rotation and competition for Kane.

That being said i think we can live without a CB coming in IF we can get a seriously solid pair of new midfielders for DM and CM rotation.

Splitting that into categories for me that's:
  • GAME CHANGERS: AM and ST
  • STRONG SQUAD PLAYERS: DM and CM
I would expect us to need to spend close to £40m on the two game changers and close to £30m on the two strong squad players.

I think we can recoup around £20m for players that are available to leave. £50m net spend sounds borderline feasible to me.

Spot on.
 

Sp3akerboxxx

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Said it 6 months ago and nothing has changed. The players we need are witsel and lacazette. Bring in those two players and I genuinely believe we could win the title.
 

bubble07

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Thought it was very telling when we were desperate for a goal and our back up striker was an unused sub
 

NeverRed

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Said it 6 months ago and nothing has changed. The players we need are witsel and lacazette. Bring in those two players and I genuinely believe we could win the title.

Liked this, but if we could rate twice, I also would have gone for optimistic
 

glacierSpurs

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may not be a popular option, but if Eriksen needs to be dropped at times in order to get the better out of him, Lamela could be tried as the no.10, for the possibility that he can only get better... and the flanks vacated by Lamela can be slotted in by someone who truly has some raw pace to initiate our counter on the break and good shooting accuracy, ala Mahrez, Salah..
 

Nigel Spinal

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Stability, stability, stability.

A year wiser, a full pre-season with the final group, very minimal transfer activity. That's the path to the title, while the chequebook clubs spend themselves into more chaos and decline.
 

HildoSpur

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We need stronger back-up in midfield who can slot in and be rotated throughout the season - probably 2 players there - obviously will need a back-up striker.

Depends on who Poch wants rid off - you could see the likes of Carroll, Mason, Bentaleb, Chadli, Walker possibly? and maybe even Eriksen (hopefully not though, I would prefer we just got a good player in same position to push his place).
 

hellava_tough

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Agree with the OP, but I'd like to focus on leadership.

A real leader is something we've been serious lacking for a while now.

You think someone like Roy Keane would have let his team stroll into a 5-1 hammering on the last day of the season, with 2nd place and a battle against the club's bitter rivals at stake?

Not a chance.

He'd be smashing the hell out of the dressing room and issuing threats to his team mates, 20 minutes before kick-off.

Keane was a classic captain; the type of player who absolutely HATED losing and didn't rest on his laurels. He actually said once that he didn't enjoy winning. In fact after every Premier League title he'd instantly start worrying about the preparation for retaining it.

Now that's someone you want as captain!!
 

danielneeds

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Agree with the OP, but I'd like to focus on leadership.

A real leader is something we've been serious lacking for a while now.

You think someone like Roy Keane would have let his team stroll into a 5-1 hammering on the last day of the season, with 2nd place and a battle against the club's bitter rivals at stake?

Not a chance.

He'd be smashing the hell out of the dressing room and issuing threats to his team mates, 20 minutes before kick-off.

Keane was a classic captain; the type of player who absolutely HATED losing and didn't rest on his laurels. He actually said once that he didn't enjoy winning. In fact after every Premier League title he'd instantly start worrying about the preparation for retaining it.

Now that's someone you want as captain!!
The effect of one player is often overstated. Keane was able to show his leadership skills at United because the dressing room culture had already been created by Ferguson. Keane was not able to affect the Forest team that was relegated, for instance.
The most important thing is that Poch enables to senior players -like Kane, who seems to be emerging as a key figure in the dressing room, Lloris and others to police the the conduct and application, and create a culture.
 

gp13tot

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Lloris, vorm to stay

Walker, truppier to stay. Potential upgrade position but not a priority

Rose to stay. Davies to go. Rico Henry?

Jan, toby and kev to stay. Poch talks about giving youngsters a chance so if ccv is as good as hyped he can be centre back no 4

Need to get a back up, rotation for dier. One who can cope well in possession being pressed and drop in between the centre backs. Suggestions? Is ball good enough yet? Id be ok giving him a try if the other midfield position was upgraded

Also need a dembele mk 2 to back up and rotate, as the stats show how important he is. This is particularly crucial given his ban. Suggestions?

Carroll should be moved on, have winks in his role, think he is ready.

Mason and bentaleb id move on if the dier2 and dembele2 are addressed. If one or both stayed id be ok with this, as long as there is at least one upgrade. I think bentsleb has the higher ceiling of the two.

Chadli's ship has sailed. Times time, ship oy.

Alli, eriksen, lamela, son, clinton, pritchard and a pacey, good dribbling, give and go option who can play in the 10 or wide. Lamela isnt this player imo, key as he has become for us.

Edwards needs to get some opps to keep him sweet and can have bits and pieces, see how he copes.

Kane, a top quality striker and harrison as 3rd choice (again, poch needs to give young uns a chance as he says he will)

Fazio and yedlin will leave im sure.

Kwp, oduwa and onomah to get championship loans. Ditto ball if midfield options signed

Ward to get a top end champ or lower prem loan

Id be happy if the squad shook out like this by mid august.

I dont watch too much football outside of spurs so not gonna suggest a load of options in the 'upgrade' positions, leave that to those who watch the sport religiously. I save that for american football!
 
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