'Arry's Departure

[sloth]

Harry is actually a fantastic human being. Its a shame that the public perception of him is so poor.

Im sure hes not bothered though

Ryan, I'm generally watching the game in a pub at the weekend with a good bunch of lads, most of them I've met from watching the game in the pub, obviously I get on with them, but I'd struggle to say I know any of them well enough to say they're "a fantastic human being?", "a good laugh" maybe, "always/never get's the round in", "A moany git", or "very funny!", but "a fantastic human being!"? That's tough... now how many times have you met Harry I wonder? Well enough to call him up for chat? Or does that always happen through your boss? Well enough to say hi to him no doubt, after the match, when he's doing the meet and greet thing.

 

[ryantegan]

Ryan, I'm generally watching the game in a pub at the weekend with a good bunch of lads, most of them I've met from watching the game in the pub, obviously I get on with them, but I'd struggle to say I know any of them well enough to say they're "a fantastic human being?", "a good laugh" maybe, "always/never get's the round in", "A moany git", or "very funny!", but "a fantastic human being!"? That's tough... now how many times have you met Harry I wonder? Well enough to call him up for chat? Or does that always happen through your boss? Well enough to say hi to him no doubt, after the match, when he's doing the meet and greet thing.

Fuck you

I know enough from meeting him and hearing stories about him to have formed a positive opinion. One that doesn't warrant being questioned by someone with such an agenda a you.

You my friend are an obnoxious prick. oh look it seems I have formed another opinion based on very little.

You bore me. And you become my first and hopefully only ignore.

Take care

 

[Sum Monsterism]

Fuck you

I know enough from meeting him and hearing stories about him to have formed a positive opinion. One that doesn't warrant being questioned by someone with such an agenda a you.

You my friend are an obnoxious prick. oh look it seems I have formed another opinion based on very little.

You bore me. And you become my first and hopefully only ignore.

Take care

saw this (the first line at least) on the spy and thought I'd have a squiz to see what got you all flared up. Very unlike you to be so angry dude!

 

[Nocando]

hopefully this little spat will put a close to these harry threads. time to move on and concern ourselves with spurs and the present/future. lets consign harry to the history books, yeah?

 

[ryantegan]

saw this (the first line at least) on the spy and thought I'd have a squiz to see what got you all flared up. Very unlike you to be so angry dude!

It's one thing to say "I don't agree with your opinion of Harry. I don't think he is a fantastic human being because..."

But it's quite an arrogant thing to say "you must be small minded and wrong to think Harry is a fantastic human being. Let me correct you now. Bless ya"

That's the vibe I get from him time and time again. Not just at me, but with everyone on here.

Arrogant and dogmatic

Oh and a prick

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

This is the 'arry I miss (see below from BBC), but no regrets with his departure overall :

Harry Redknapp said QPR's embarrassing 4-2 FA Cup defeat by League One side MK Dons at Loftus Road justifies his need to bring in new recruits.

"Surely they're entitled to beat a team from two divisions down? It tells me I need to improve the squad," he said.

He said: "If you look at the team today, what is it? An England goalkeeper [Rob Green], a right-back from Manchester United [Fabio], a left-back in Armand Traore.
"You've got Anton Ferdinand and Tal Ben Haim, then Esteban Granero from Real Madrid. You've got Ale Faurlin, Park Ji-sung from Manchester United, Jamie Mackie, Jay Bothroyd and DJ Campbell."
Redknapp, who has already brought in striker Loic Remy and defender Ben Haim during the transfer window, suggested some players could be moving out with a deal for Chunnam Dragons' South Korean international Yun Suk-young close to being completed
"I gave them a chance today because they knock on my door and say they should be playing and other people tell me they are all good players," the former Tottenham boss said.
"Well, they got their chance today and they blew it. It answers questions - not for me because I already knew the answer, but for other people. Today they saw the answers."

It entertained me reading this one,... The team that Warnock and Hughes built appears ineffective. Now we'll get the chance to see if Remy is the real deal

It seems Harry put a team together of reserve and fringe players and expected them to just walk over a tactically well drilled side. It never worked when he was in charge for us(re: Europa League) so I would have expected him to have learnt from his mistakes.

 

[sloth]

Fuck you

I know enough from meeting him and hearing stories about him to have formed a positive opinion. One that doesn't warrant being questioned by someone with such an agenda a you.

You my friend are an obnoxious prick. oh look it seems I have formed another opinion based on very little.

You bore me. And you become my first and hopefully only ignore.

Take care

Mate, you're of course entitled to your opinion, my only point being that it is an opinion...

 

[Ironskullll]

I think it would only be human nature to be fucking miffed, who wouldn't ? Problem with Redknapp is, he's never been a great liar, always protesteth too much. Maybe Levy didn't give him the long list of reasons he was actually sacked for and said simply "we're going in a different direction" to save his feelings (or make it easier on himself - same result).

He's a very mixed bag is Redknapp. Lots of things to lots of people. Good hearted but self serving. Bit naive but a bit sly. Bit simplistic but instinctively intuitive. Popular and disliked.

He was sacked for a few reasons I think, not one big one. And I think he probably knows this.

I agree. I'm also a little puzzled that the simple pragmatism that Levy exhibited doesn't feature much in the discussion. Regardless of the issues surrounding Harry's character/behaviour/ability etc, we do know that for a very long period of time it appeared as though he would be leaving for the England job. It stands to reason therefore that Levy would be looking for a replacement from way back last year, negotiating, pondering the management set-up once Harry left; making contingency plans that he would have been pretty sure he would have to follow. So by the time Harry's departure didn't materialise, of course, things had changed; a new future had been plotted; new alternatives were in place, new opportunities. If Levy had already lined up AVB by then, as seems likely, then he would have had to consider the prospects on missing out on him entirely - depending on how impressed he was with AVB and how set in his mind he had become that AVB would be good for the club, that would have influenced him even more. I would guess that Levy's thinking went along the lines that sooner or later he would have had to replace Harry anyway, and that he anticipated a change of tack whenever that had to happen, much of which was actually being lined up last spring. Even without factoring in any speculative stuff about Levy being pissed off with Harry, it leaves a scenario where once he'd failed to get the England job, he was on thin ice. I'm surprised he seems so surprised.

 

[sloth]

It's one thing to say "I don't agree with your opinion of Harry. I don't think he is a fantastic human being because..."

But it's quite an arrogant thing to say "you must be small minded and wrong to think Harry is a fantastic human being. Let me correct you now. Bless ya"

That's the vibe I get from him time and time again. Not just at me, but with everyone on here.

Arrogant and dogmatic

Oh and a prick

In fairness Ryan, I didn't call you "small-minded and wrong" nor even implied it. I pointed out that it was a stretch to claim something when the evidence for claiming it is limited. I think you feel riled because this is something I've accused you of in the past.

 

[ryantegan]

In fairness Ryan, I didn't call you "small-minded and wrong" nor even implied it. I pointed out that it was a stretch to claim something when the evidence for claiming it is limited. I think you feel riled because this is something I've accused you of in the past.

Quite possibly

 

[Wiener]

What is he supposed to say at a press conference? Do you honestly believe anyone would reveal to the press exactly what went on in a private confidential discussion that resulted in his dismissal? Throughout Harry's tenure, and putting aside his ability to open his mouth too much, a lot of the fans were always looking for an excuse to have a pop at him. I don't know why that was to be honest. As long as he did it on the pitch I couldn't give a fuck what he said off it. There's enough to worry about on the pitch. But that's done and dusted now, he's gone and we should move on and certainly stop this continual anti feeling about him. It's rather sad if you ask me.

Redknapp was given plenty of support by the Spurs fans, myself included. It was only in the last few months of his tenure that there was sustained and, in my view, justified criticism.

I am far from anti Redknapp. I am just rather ambivalent about the man himself. Of course I don't know him, but from his many interviews he comes across as a very slippery individual and not the jovial, easy-going man of the people he likes to cultivate. Clearly he is no fool, and one of the best English managers, but also, given his track record, a very difficult man to deal with.

Perhaps you could avoid feelings of sadness by either avoiding reading threads like these (take your own advice and move on) or simply become more open minded and curious and learn to keep more than one ball in the air at the same time.

 

[Nocando]

Redknapp was given plenty of support by the Spurs fans, myself included. It was only in the last few months of his tenure that there was sustained and, in my view, justified criticism.

I am far from anti Redknapp. I am just rather ambivalent about the man himself. Of course I don't know him, but from his many interviews he comes across as a very slippery individual and not the jovial, easy-going man of the people he likes to cultivate. Clearly he is no fool, and one of the best English managers, but also, given his track record, a very difficult man to deal with.

Perhaps you could avoid feelings of sadness by either avoiding reading threads like these (take your own advice and move on) or simply become more open minded and curious and learn to keep more than one ball in the air at the same time.

I said its rather sad, not that I was sad. it just illustrates what some of our fans are like when they have to join in with the ok magazine generation of having overt opinions when sometimes the actual subject matter is of little importance when put in context. the implications of such insignificant things are blown out of proportion because people are more concerned with airing their opinion. when most of the time it is at distance to the actual facts, not that they really matter now anyway. I suppose I just hate whingy old ladies who concern themselves too much with whats said rather than whats done.

whats worse is that people can't leave it alone and even try to justify themselves by giving backhanded compliments.

the reasons why I comment when I say we should move on is precisely because people refuse to move on and bring the same tired commends up. im not the one creating a thread on it, am I? (Im not criticising the op btw as im not sure of their intentions and whether they wanted another lets have a dig at harry thread) however just as much I appreciate the argument its a message board and we're here to discuss such things,just as im quite in my rights to provide my opinion which is we should move on, regardless of how hypocritical it may seem. in fact im quite happy to keep reminding those everytime I see a dig or a backhanded compliment, as sooner or later those will get the message.

 

[Wiener]

I said its rather sad, not that I was sad. it just illustrates what some of our fans are like when they have to join in with the ok magazine generation of having overt opinions when sometimes the actual subject matter is of little importance when put in context. the implications of such insignificant things are blown out of proportion because people are more concerned with airing their opinion. when most of the time it is at distance to the actual facts, not that they really matter now anyway. I suppose I just hate whingy old ladies who concern themselves too much with whats said rather than whats done.

whats worse is that people can't leave it alone and even try to justify themselves by giving backhanded compliments.

the reasons why I comment when I say we should move on is precisely because people refuse to move on and bring the same tired commends up. im not the one creating a thread on it, am I? (Im not criticising the op btw as im not sure of their intentions and whether they wanted another lets have a dig at harry thread) however just as much I appreciate the argument its a message board and we're here to discuss such things,just as im quite in my rights to provide my opinion which is we should move on, regardless of how hypocritical it may seem. in fact im quite happy to keep reminding those everytime I see a dig or a backhanded compliment, as sooner or later those will get the message.

Does the above make you a hypocritical whingy old man then?

I take your point and will try an man up, nonetheless I think your are being a little OTT.

 

[Col_M]

I loved his quote regarding the loss to MK Dons yesterday about Fringe players knocking on his door saying they deserve a chance, "Well they've had their chance and blew it". Or in other words "Don't blame me, or my selection, blame the players" Great way to get the players on your side when you are fighting for survival. Rangers to finish bottom would be a dream for me, as long as it means Redknapp falls off the media radar!!!

 

[ryantegan]

I loved his quote regarding the loss to MK Dons yesterday about Fringe players knocking on his door saying they deserve a chance, "Well they've had their chance and blew it". Or in other words "Don't blame me, or my selection, blame the players" Great way to get the players on your side when you are fighting for survival. Rangers to finish bottom would be a dream for me, as long as it means Redknapp falls off the media radar!!!

Not really.

He had players there on thousands of pounds per week who will be telling him they should be in the team. They were given a chance and got beat at home to MK Dons.

Says more about the players than Harry in my opinion

 

[we_all_loved_freund]

Not really.

He had players there on thousands of pounds per week who will be telling him they should be in the team. They were given a chance and got beat at home to MK Dons.

Says more about the players than Harry in my opinion

It says two things imo; firstly the players aren't good enough and, secondly, that Harry should have analysed them enough to realise that they aren't good enough.

Blame should be laid at both the manager and the player's door.

 

[beats1]

Not really.

He had players there on thousands of pounds per week who will be telling him they should be in the team. They were given a chance and got beat at home to MK Dons.

Says more about the players than Harry in my opinion

I think one of the problems with harry he didnt rotate much and he played fringe players against lesser team they tended to look rubbish or struggle as a mixture of arrogance(on the players part), lack of match sharpness and etc.(I forgot my other point) but that said I dont think AVB is that different in terms of rotation as others have claimed

Despite that, the team he played has played quiet a few games this season and had some good performances in regards to certain players but a team including Granero, Park Ji Sung and etc. Though that said there are weak points in the CM, CB and strikers but still good enough to beat most championship teams

Im shocked Im about to say this but it seems Ferdinand is going to turkey, which is surprising, because dare I say it he may be the best CB they have at the moment, since they have Hill, Nelson, Ben Haim, Onuohua and at a push Mbia(though he is better than Anton, he isnt really CB). Now other than the latter one and half(onuohua looked decent before QPR), the rest all look shite and if they have to rely on the first 4 for the rest of the season they are going down

 

[mattyspurs]

Listening to some of you lot, it's like you are talking about the ex wife/girlfriend/boyfriend that you hate, but secretly love, you know, deep down.

You know it's over, and you'll say you hate them, and you'll give your reasons for hating them, but every time you are out, you will find any way to bring them into the conversation, even when it's not needed.

 

[Mattspur]

Not really.

He had players there on thousands of pounds per week who will be telling him they should be in the team. They were given a chance and got beat at home to MK Dons.

Says more about the players than Harry in my opinion

I can't agree with this. The players he picked were more than good enough to win the match. If Harry thinks he was beaten by a team of better players then he really hasn't got a clue.

All I took from his quotes was his standard reaction to when things go wrong. 'It wasn't me'. It was the players for not being good enough. It was the chairman for not bringing in more players. Hang on Harry, you had much the better team on a player for player basis and because of that I believe that it's mostly your fault that you didn't win this match.

A poor worker blames his tools, and all that.