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CosmicHotspur

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Great article by Jimmy Greaves about Gilly.

Why I've not seen my Spurs partner Alan Gilzean for 40 years!

Sep 19 2010 By Jimmy Greaves, The People




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WE were like Laurel and Hardy, or Nelson and Hardy, some in north London might say.


Jimmy Greaves and Alan Gilzean, inseparable on the pitch and off it, too – usually in the Old Hall Tavern, Chingford.

There’s a new book about my former Tottenham strike partner out tomorrow. The author did well to track down Gilly, who has become something of a recluse in recent years.

Believe it or not, I haven’t set eyes on the fella for the best part of 40 years.

From 1964 until 1970, we were like blood brothers. Then I left Spurs and went on my path to self-destruction ... a couple of years later Gilly did pretty much the same, by all accounts.

He came from a place called Coupar Angus, somewhere in the back end of Scotland. As soon as he arrived I showed him all those new sights of London which would seem strange to him – electric lights, carpets, that kind of thing.

He never touched beer, though we called him Cuba Libre after his favourite drink. There was a story that Gilly used to go into his favourite restaurant, order his usual – and get presented with a bottle of Bacardi and four glasses of Coke.

The laughs I had with Gilly will always stay with me, just like some of the matches we played together will live long in the memories of Tottenham fans.

Gilly was possibly the best footballer I ever played with. That’s him and me above after we won the FA Cup at Wembley in 1967. And he was certainly the one who benefited me the most.

Right from the word go, we just had this incredible telepathy on a football pitch, like nothing I experienced before or since.

He was magnificent at holding the ball up and always a great header of it – all deft touches and genuine class.

Strike partnerships like ours are going out of fashion now, with clubs playing a lone front man.

It just so happened that we were great mates off the pitch as well, but that’s not always the case with some duos.

Andy Cole and Teddy Sheringham famously refused to talk to one another for years, yet won the treble with Manchester United. And in the 1960s, the Middlesbrough and England strikers Brian Clough and Alan Peacock were so competitive it bordered on hatred. But they scored 900 goals together (well, according to Cloughie anyway).
You might think it odd that me and Gilly have not seen each other for so long. Yet to me that’s life. You do a job of work with a person, you get on well, then one of you moves on and, more often than not, you lose touch.

I was doing a theatre show a while back in Weston-super-Mare when a local autograph collector told me that Alan Gilzean lived in the town and that he had met him.
It was as if someone had seen the Yeti!


But in all seriousness I totally respect Gilly’s decision to stay out of the limelight.

Our mutual Spurs mate Steve Perryman is the one football person who does see Gilly, so I know he is keeping well and that he is not reclusive for any other reason than he wants a quiet private life with no fuss.
He used to be an exceptional footballer but now he is just a regular member of the public. It’s like people criticising Nobby Stiles for becoming the latest 1966 hero to put his World Cup winner’s medal up for sale. Some seem to think it’s sacrilege. But if a wealthy Arab offered me a wad of cash for my medals, too bloody right I’d think about it!

None of us in the 1966 World Cup squad retired as genuinely wealthy men.

Of course, my work in the media has always kept me in touch with football, but I’ve never liked the idea of going back to White Hart Lane as a spectator.

It doesn’t feel right when you used to be the main man somewhere and now you know you just don’t belong.
I’m not comfortable with football clubs wheeling out us ex-players as some sort of exhibit, either. I know Gilly doesn’t want to meet up with me, nor any of his other old mates, and I totally understand his reasons.

I’d just urge you to read the book of his life, because I reckon it’s one hell of a story.

In Search of Alan Gilzean by James Morgan is published tomorrrow, priced £9.99, from BackPage Press. Available from all good book shops and from www.backpagepress.co.uk
 

spursandbarca

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greavsie is always so bitter. gillie is fine I used to play tennis with his son. just doesnt want to be in the media spotlight
 

SpurSince57

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greavsie is always so bitter. gillie is fine I used to play tennis with his son. just doesnt want to be in the media spotlight


The English language is a real minefield for you, isn't it?

Presumably you were playing tennis with Gilly's son when you weren't schmoozing with the powers-that-be at Barça.
 

spursandbarca

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no greavsie is bitter that he played in the 6o's instead of now and isnt a muilti millionaire.

yeah many people know gillie dropped off the face of the earth. if you read hunter davies's book gillie wouldnt even go out with the lads in the day.

bit liked being all pissed off that levy wouldnt give him a payday to be inducted into the hall of fame. Greavsie really doesnt appreciate spurs as a club or the supporters.

shit, i used to play tennis with his son Ian. not exactly a big deal. I never met alan but the family used to think it was funny that everyone thought he was a recluse.
 

yusrisafri

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I never really appreciated Gilzean until the last few years, when I started to read more and more about the 60s team. And now I know what a legend he was for us. I quote one sentence that shows his star status in Spurs folklore. This was narrated in the "50 Greatest Spurs players" DVD when describing another enigma, Glenn Hoddle. To me, this narration was enough to show how idolised he was at the Lane.

"Hoddle's arrival as the next star was very timely. The fans were looking for the next star of the Lane since Gilzean retired.........."

Since then, I've been reading and researching quite a bit about Gilzean. Suffice to say, it's a shame I didnt get to see him play, He mustve been some legend.
 

ExpatFan

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Great, great player. Saw his debut for us.
Best memory of him was his hat-trick against Burnley in the FA Cup.
We came from 2 goals down in that game too.
 

michaelden

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no greavsie is bitter that he played in the 6o's instead of now and isnt a muilti millionaire.

yeah many people know gillie dropped off the face of the earth. if you read hunter davies's book gillie wouldnt even go out with the lads in the day.

bit liked being all pissed off that levy wouldnt give him a payday to be inducted into the hall of fame. Greavsie really doesnt appreciate spurs as a club or the supporters.

shit, i used to play tennis with his son Ian. not exactly a big deal. I never met alan but the family used to think it was funny that everyone thought he was a recluse.

yeah I got a bit of that from the article
 

spursphil

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no greavsie is bitter that he played in the 6o's instead of now and isnt a muilti millionaire.

yeah many people know gillie dropped off the face of the earth. if you read hunter davies's book gillie wouldnt even go out with the lads in the day.

bit liked being all pissed off that levy wouldnt give him a payday to be inducted into the hall of fame. Greavsie really doesnt appreciate spurs as a club or the supporters.

shit, i used to play tennis with his son Ian. not exactly a big deal. I never met alan but the family used to think it was funny that everyone thought he was a recluse.
I had the great privilage of seeing both Greavsie and Gillie play, and to be honest if he is a little bitter that players today with not one tenth of their talent are multi millinares, you can hardly blame him.

I think Greavsie made a very valid point about those "hall of fame" inductions, the club make a small fortune out of these dinners so why not share the spoils with the inducted players.
Jimmy Greaves dosn't like the way the game has changed, he is not alone in that.
 

Gilzeanking

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Yeh , The people left out of Greaves's calculations are the fans .

He'd be mobbed at WHL, a true giant . Not sure he's fully aware of the esteem in which he's held and allows little squabbles with powers that be to affect things .

He's always been a bit contrary and Spurs/Barca saying JG is upset he wasn't offered money to join our hall of fame has a ring of truth . I find JG's attitude saddening for some reason , he'll be gone..there'll be no goodbyes.

You often hear oldies saying this or that player was better than any current ones...and I largely disagree (footie is way more athletic now)..But in the area of precision flicks mainly with his head , Gilzean was truly something else ..

...course he had the advantage of a perfectly spherical bald head , rendering his ariel calculations closer to those of champion snooker players rather than footballers .
 

CosmicHotspur

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I knew them both back in the 60s and they were both great footballers.

Indeed, Gilly once asked me out but I turned him down as I knew he was engaged to a tough Scottish policewoman and I wasn't getting into that kind of trouble! Also, incredibly talented player that he undoubtedly was, I simply didn't fancy him.

Jimmy is more bitter about not being in the 1966 World Cup final side than anything to do with Spurs - he just doesn't want to go back there and I can understand that. He was (and no doubt still is) a friendly and sparkling personality and I loved having an occasional chat with him over the bar at the White Hart (now long gone of course) at lunch times in the days before alcohol really took over his life.

I had wondered where Alan was since moving from Enfield so I'm glad he's still around. I hope both of them are well and happy.
 

sherbornespurs

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Big hero of mine. I remember, also, his hat-trick against Burnley.

Best moment, though, was probably when he trampled all over slitty-eyed Bob Wilson's head in a League-Cup match at the Lane.

Gillie's alive and well and living in Weston-Super-Mare, if you're lucky you might just catch him walking his dog along the beach.

My dream is for both he and Jimmy Greaves to officially 'close' WHL at our last match at the old stadium. There won't be a dry eye in the house from us oldies.
 

Gilzeanking

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Wow Cosmic...wow wowser...asked out by Gilly...Eek

WOW... Course , I can see why you may not have found him the most obviously desirable of men..

And yes , the G men saying goodbye to the old stadium...bit of a dream eh

Jimmy ,due to my vintage was the biggest hero I had anywhere at anytime, so this negativity re Spurs is personally wounding .

Whether he likes it or not , his 8 fabulous years with us makes him a true Yiddo giant .
 

Dundalk_Spur

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Cosmic you really are the female enbodiment of Tottenham Hotspur :bowdown:

I can't get enough of your stories.
 

chavkev

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You can understand Greavsie being a bit bitter about the way things have gone. He was that good a centre forward that he would have been the first name on England's teamsheet in most eras. If I'd have been as good as Greavsie and I was to see Yaya Toure on the wages he is on, I would probably want to drop an anvil on his head.

Falling out of fashion on TV must be galling too when you see people like Merson and Ian Wright who are practically incoherent.
 

Maske2g

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If its true that he won't join due to money, I 100% agree with him. Why should the club use him to make money and not pass any along.

Saying that, he is probably our greatest ever player, and should give something back to the fans who adore him.

Gilzean was my Dads favourite player, I bought him the book and he read it in a day......then he read it again two days later!!
 

spursandbarca

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met a lot of the 66 world cup team(alan ball rip, roger hunt, jack charlton, geroge cohen, banks,martin peters) I asked a few of these blokes why Greavsie never does these events. Mentioned that he doesnt want to be anywhere near a pub(fair enough) and that he is still pretty bitter at being left out even after all these years.

do not know. if it was me Id be happy for the career I had, be happy that the supporters still remember me, be happy that I can still making a living in media because of my football career.
 

BringBack_leGin

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I'm bitter at how incorrect the article is.

That book came out a few months ago, I bought it for my dad for his birthday. Bloody good read too!
 

CosmicHotspur

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You can understand Greavsie being a bit bitter about the way things have gone. He was that good a centre forward that he would have been the first name on England's teamsheet in most eras. If I'd have been as good as Greavsie and I was to see Yaya Toure on the wages he is on, I would probably want to drop an anvil on his head.

Falling out of fashion on TV must be galling too when you see people like Merson and Ian Wright who are practically incoherent.

Have to correct that - he was never a centre forward, he was an inside forward usually wearing the No 10 shirt.
 
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