At what point will people stop saying we’ve never had it so good?

[Hoddle_Ledge]

So if we finish 5th next year will all those that want to keep Harry now want him to go after that?

At what point will people stop saying, look where we were, look what we’ve achieved, we’ve never had it so good? 4th, 5th, 4th, 5th…it’s our best run since the Sixties.

When Harry took over relegation was never a threat, any new manager would have saved us. A manager with the likes of Gunter and Zokora got us 2 points from 8 games. Harry managed to get us 6 points from 9 games with Adebayor and Van der Vaart.

No CL for the last two seasons and two seasons where Spurs have completely folded right when it mattered.
Harry has done a good job and I can certainly see the reasons for him staying on another year, how long will this last though, with the team we have will flirting for 4th spot be enough year after year?

We are Tottenham Hotspur and we have ambitions of being the best club in Europe. If Harry says we had a good season we finished 4th, there are still 3 teams ahead of us in the league, we need to take the next step and push on.

 

[ShelfSide18]

I don't think it is a bad thing to be reminded occasionally where we have come from in a relatively short space of time, but also pointing out where we should be aiming for is not mutually exclusive to the former.

I love the fact that I get to go to Wembley on a regular basis now, that I have seen us compete with Europe's finest in some of the most historic, famous stadiums, and that we are now no longer satisfied with competing in the Europa League. I love watching the likes of Bale/Modric/VDV and you know how far you've come when I count Huddlestone, Dawson and Defoe as the weakest links in our squad.

We've had some amazing times, but I want better times, but if it does all blow over I will cherish some of the moments we've had in recent times. I think that's fair.

 

[hakano]

Never, only winners want to do continuously better and unfortunately not everyone is a winner.

 

[lol]

only losers say that. i'm serious. of every competition, the winner will always say i was here to win all along, and the loser will always say "oh you know sometimes the experience is really important, i was never here to win but to gain experience". you hear this in school, in ur sports activities, in your sunday league football. the losers and the people who dont achieve their dreams will always, always say this. and the problem is this mentality will never ever build characters, let alone champions

winners always say fight hard and give everything you've got. arnold says that, jordan says that, kobe bryant says that, ronnie coleman says that. everyone at the highest level, and have achieved those levels, understand that mentality is the most important in sports. on paper one might be better, but once the whistle blows, all bets are off. the one with the biggest heart will ALWAYS win. and even if he doesnt this time, he will always,always try, until they finally win.

the mentality instilled in us is that, oh we used to suck, so this is good enough. is it? so just because we used to suck, we can continue to suck? one thing about redknapp that bothers me is that he doesnt instill the winning mentality. unlike fergie, unlike mourinho. these managers taught their players losing is not an option, let alone losing to a lower opponent, thats absolute disgrace. these mentality is instilled into players from roy keane, to solksjaer, to giggs, to scholes, to rooney, to ronaldo, drogba, lampard, terry, cole . these players always perform when they are needed to. they understand when they are down, they have to get a goal back no matter what. and when they do, they know they have to win it, no matter what. they dont rest, they dont settle for second. they dont go, oh well we derserve to draw anyways. no. one chance. and thats all it takes. that amount of concentration, amount of composure, amount of mentality

i love HR. but i feel the weak mentality in our squad is partly his fault. i would love someone younger, and a much stronger mentality to takeover when HR finally leaves. only then our squad will truly grow. we had title at our grasp, we had third on our hand. we have no excuses

 

[kungfugrip]

We are Tottenham Hotspur and we have ambitions of being the best club in Europe.

Really? We've only been in the top European club competition once in half a century!!

 

[Blockbuster]

Relegation WAS a serious threat. if ANY manager could have saved us why did we bother to even sack Wendy.
it's no coincidence that in the transfer windows Harry was allowed to spend money we achived things.

1st TW - We stayed up.
2nd window - we finished 4th.
3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th window we've spent nothing and got nothing.

SPEAKS VOLUMES.

 

[RichieS]

Relegation WAS a serious threat. if ANY manager could have saved us why did we bother to even sack Wendy.
it's no coincidence that in the transfer windows Harry was allowed to spend money we achived things.

1st TW - We stayed up.
2nd window - we finished 4th.
3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th window we've spent nothing and got nothing.

SPEAKS VOLUMES.

Well, in fairness we've just come 4th again but the circumstances have contrived to make it worse than last time.

I generally agree with your point though - if we spend sensible amounts in the right places now then we can push on.

 

[HappySpur]

Why would we ever stop saying we've never had it better. It's not like we were built on the back of one of the greatest managers of all time. It's not like we were able to rebuild after such a non-existent entity left to win more trophies with a new side less than a decade later. We never made the greatest double signing in the English game. We never owned the FA Cup. We never were the first side to do a double. Our history began four years ago.

And to those who think that way, they deserve to only have a four year history.

This is simply the best we've done in two decades. Hopefully we're climbing out of the valley, but as these things are apt to go, we could easily slide back down.

But we are Tottenham and spunking our load over 4th is a fucking embarrassment. It's small minded and pathetic. And anybody who thinks different picked the wrong club.

 

[eddiebailey]

Two decades is a lifetime for some. Huddersfield Town were a massive club in the 1920s - does that mean that their fans should not be excited if they were to find themselves competing for a champions league spot today? It is justifiable to take pride in what our club has achieved, but to cling to any sense of entitlement is deluded, and just a little bit pathetic.

 

[nidge]

But we are Tottenham and spunking our load over 4th is a fucking embarrassment. It's small minded and pathetic. And anybody who thinks different picked the wrong club.

Not quite how I would have worded it but the agree with the sentiment.

Couple of quotes for everyone to look at.

"Spurs have got to be the best in
the land, not the second best."

"There's no use being satisfied when things
are done wrongly. I want perfection."

While we shouldn't be like Liverpool and live in the past we do have to learn from it to prevent the same thing happening in the future.

We as club should aim to be the very best we can. Settling on something because it's the best we have done in a couple of decades will only mean we are doomed to failure.

That's not to say we shouldn't enjoy what we have done in the last few years.

 

[dontcallme]

We have to be realistic.

Many fans want their managers fired when they don't get the results they desire. Blackburn, Sunderland and others went downhill after sacking managers naively believing the next guy will do better.

Redknapp has got good results and 4th is a decent achievement. If it wasn't for the Chelsea thing happening and right now we were preparing for a season of CL football peope wouldn't be on his back quite so much. What Chelsea did does not change HR's ability or performance as manager.

This season has been a dramatic one for HR. Heart scare, long court case and England speculation is hardly an atmosphere that allows him to simply get on with his job.

He has one more season on his contract and next season is a big one for me. How we progress as a club now is learning to use our large squad properly and competing in the cup competitions.

If we finish 4th or 5th again and fail to compete in the cups then I'd say it is time to look for an alternative option but 4th, 5th then 4th in three seasons is not a failure.

 

[HappySpur]

I never said we were entitled to anything. But for a club of our size and history not to strive for better is foolish. Fortunately that is a fan thing, to be happy with 4th. I don't think the people in charge see 4th as the limit of our potential.

 

[Stavrogin]

Never, only winners want to do continuously better and unfortunately not everyone is a winner.

Spoken like an apprentice contestant!

Have fun at Viglen!

 

[nidge]

Two decades is a lifetime for some. Huddersfield Town were a massive club in the 1920s - does that mean that their fans should not be excited if they were to find themselves competing for a champions league spot today? It is justifiable to take pride in what our club has achieved, but to cling to any sense of entitlement is deluded, and just a little bit pathetic.

Being grateful and taking pride in where we are and wanting the club to kick on and have further success is not mutually exclusive ideas.

 

[eddiebailey]

I never said we were entitled to anything. But for a club of our size and history not to strive for better is foolish. Fortunately that is a fan thing, to be happy with 4th. I don't think the people in charge see 4th as the limit of our potential.

Nor do I see 4th as the limit as the potential, and I am pretty sure Harry doesn't. But I think it is a fair showing all things considered, a base on which to continue to build, and a heck of an improvement on most of our recent history.

Fans tearing their hair and rending their clothes and demanding Harry's head on a silver platter because we ONLY finished fourth is what I find embarrassing.

 

[Stavrogin]

Being grateful and taking pride in where we are and wanting the club to kick on and have further success is not mutually exclusive ideas.

Wrang. If you wont to get a head in Baiznizz, everything is mootally exclusove!

Give me a coffee please, now I want a sammich, eject that coffee from the premises of my face, you cretin!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Relegation WAS a serious threat. if ANY manager could have saved us why did we bother to even sack Wendy.
it's no coincidence that in the transfer windows Harry was allowed to spend money we achived things.

1st TW - We stayed up.
2nd window - we finished 4th.
3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th window we've spent nothing and got nothing.

SPEAKS VOLUMES.

That is chronologically wrong and a massive, massive over simplification. We spent something like 80m in the first three windows (all before coming 4th). So had spent some of the 4th, 5th & 6th windows money in advance.

 

[ethanedwards]

That is chronologically wrong and a massive, massive over simplification. We spent something like 80m in the first three windows (all before coming 4th). So had spent some of the 4th, 5th & 6th windows money in advance.

BC, if Levy doesn't extend Harry's contract, leaving us with him for his last year, sort of unchartered territory for us.
Do you reckon Levy will let this happen.

 

[vegassd]

All this "we should aim higher" crap is just that... crap.

When the players cross the white line they are aiming to win the game. That's all they can do. We never try and lose, we always try and maximise the playing success of the squad over the course of a season. The manager tries to win every game. The chairmen tries to pool the best playing staff without bankrupting the club.

We could not realistically finish in the top 2 last season. We lost out on 3rd by one point, and by extension only one goal. Finishing one goal away from our realistic maximum is not exactly a bad thing. But screw it, let's fire the entire playing and coaching staff and put you in charge. I'm sure you could do it better.

 

[Mattspur]

only losers say that. i'm serious. of every competition, the winner will always say i was here to win all along, and the loser will always say "oh you know sometimes the experience is really important, i was never here to win but to gain experience". you hear this in school, in ur sports activities, in your sunday league football. the losers and the people who dont achieve their dreams will always, always say this. and the problem is this mentality will never ever build characters, let alone champions

winners always say fight hard and give everything you've got. arnold says that, jordan says that, kobe bryant says that, ronnie coleman says that. everyone at the highest level, and have achieved those levels, understand that mentality is the most important in sports. on paper one might be better, but once the whistle blows, all bets are off. the one with the biggest heart will ALWAYS win. and even if he doesnt this time, he will always,always try, until they finally win.

the mentality instilled in us is that, oh we used to suck, so this is good enough. is it? so just because we used to suck, we can continue to suck? one thing about redknapp that bothers me is that he doesnt instill the winning mentality. unlike fergie, unlike mourinho. these managers taught their players losing is not an option, let alone losing to a lower opponent, thats absolute disgrace. these mentality is instilled into players from roy keane, to solksjaer, to giggs, to scholes, to rooney, to ronaldo, drogba, lampard, terry, cole . these players always perform when they are needed to. they understand when they are down, they have to get a goal back no matter what. and when they do, they know they have to win it, no matter what. they dont rest, they dont settle for second. they dont go, oh well we derserve to draw anyways. no. one chance. and thats all it takes. that amount of concentration, amount of composure, amount of mentality

i love HR. but i feel the weak mentality in our squad is partly his fault. i would love someone younger, and a much stronger mentality to takeover when HR finally leaves. only then our squad will truly grow. we had title at our grasp, we had third on our hand. we have no excuses

This...Just this.