AVB: Adebayor has a Spurs role

[steve]

I 'disliked' the way you made your comment so personal and negative Steve. If it makes you feel better to 'dislike' some random thread of mine like you just did - so be it - but maybe you could bear in mind you don't speak for everybody on here and you are not the authority on what's right or wrong about spurs. That's why we have a forum - to share opinions and discuss different perspectives, none of us are ever going to get it all right, so why get so worked up about it? At least, if you disagree or dislike this comment I will understand why - otherwise why not just take it on the chin that someone didn't like the comment you made and not go desperately trying to dislike something they've said?

I agree with davidmatzdorf that Ade is not fully fit and up for the games, which makes sense given that he's just been injured.. right? What are the finer points of football that only you seem to know about?

Your double standards are astonishing. Matzdorf comes on here and patronisingly calls people fuckwits and intimates that few of the posters in this thread have a brain and yet you consider my post negative and personal - did you dislike his post the same then? I called him out specifically for comments he made which he invited due to his tone and manner. When did I say I spoke for everyone on here or that I was the authority on Spurs? Find that post and quote it please.

Mate you've disliked my comment without bothering to articulate why but have now been stirred to respond because i returned the favour - and you tell me to take it on the chin? If you can't take it don't dish it out. I try not to use the neg ratings and prefer to respond in writing to stuff I disagree with. You couldn't be arsed and now get upset when I do the same to you. I'm happy for people to disagree, it's the whole point of debate and discussion but if you don't articulate anything there is no debate - at least it's up for discussion now.

As for Adebayor and Defoe I find it incredible that he thinks Defoe's movement off the ball for his teammates (or even himself) is better than Adebayor's. Defoe is good at thinking about Defoe - he's reactive and his movement reflects that. His runs off the ball are for himself mostly and even then his movement is limited. Adebayor's movement is much more intelligent and as a result he's a better team player who not only gets in good positions himself but makes space for others and assists them to score.

As for Adebayor's fitness (which I didn't mention) I have no idea how it currently is and nor I suspect do many on here. I agree he was previously unfit and then injured but I've no doubt where Defoe injured Adebayor would be deemed fit enough to start.

If you wanna dish it out then explain why first would be my suggestion - it's better all round.

 

[panoma]

We play two wingers right? So when they get to the byline, who do they have in the middle to cross the ball to? If we're under a bit of defensive pressure who do we have to clear the ball up to? And not having that out ball gives the opposition licence to push up on our defence and midfield, further increasing the pressure. Then there's just the general types of hold-up play which gives midfielders the opportunity to run beyond the striker. After which we get onto clever movement and a willingness to get involved in build-up play (this can be clearly seen in stats such as the number of touches a player has during a match, and the number of passes he makes in a game, for which Defoe is head and shoulders less involved than any equivalent player in any of the top European leagues.), but others will wrongly say that it isn't about the number of goals a team as a who;le concedes or scores but only about the individual player, but even on this account (and without looking it up), I'd be amazed if in Adebayor's career his goals scoring record hasn't been superior to Defoe's in his career. That's before assists are looked at.

All of that said, I agree that Defoe has in the odd game looked better this year than last, it's inconsistent, but there are signs of him improving. I also think that come what may AVB is going to stick with him (perhaps simply to prove what an amazing coach he is???), in which case you have to play Adebayor as well. Dempsey's the real player who is not worth his place in the side, imo.

Yes we know Ade gave us that last season, hence why i want him to show his skills in europe/cup games and take his spot back. Not just walking straight back into the team based on previous merits when Defoe have been solid this season.

Show AVB some fight and display what he can do and im sure he will start again, but until then im fine with Defoe playing.

 

[JAYSTAR]

The ego has landed.

You once again show up your lack of understanding of the finer points of the game. So Defoe makes 'decoy' runs but Ade doesn't? When did you arrive at this conclusion? After Bale's goal at OT? You tell us what AVB is thinking (despite quotes to the contrary) but can't even manage to surmise both players qualities properly. On top of your completely unnecessary vitriol (what a keyboard warrior you are) this renders your post, even by your low standards as one of your worst.

Do us all a favour please, stick to the stadium thread where you occasionally add some value because you really don't know much about the game. And I know your ego tells you differently but it's wrong.

Steve, I'm happy to comment mate, any time and do most of the time. I was also about to neg rep the other comment when I saw you had neg repped some random comment of mine - at which point I responded to you instead - because I thought the point of the ratings was that we didn't always have to explain exactly why we disagreed. So, given that you had just done the very thing to me that you were apparently upset about (neg repping without explanation) I thought I would ask you what the deal was.
I'll not worry in future and you can remain ignorant of what people really think if you're going to respond like this every time. Be better to genuinely reach agreeement with people though wouldn't it? Anyway 2-0!!!!!!!!!!! COYS

 

[steve]

Steve, I'm happy to comment mate, any time and do most of the time. I was also about to neg rep the other comment when I saw you had neg repped some random comment of mine - at which point I responded to you instead - because I thought the point of the ratings was that we didn't always have to explain exactly why we disagreed. So, given that you had just done the very thing to me that you were apparently upset about (neg repping without explanation) I thought I would ask you what the deal was.
I'll not worry in future and you can remain ignorant of what people really think if you're going to respond like this every time. Be better to genuinely reach agreeement with people though wouldn't it? Anyway 2-0!!!!!!!!!!! COYS

Mate behave yourself - I wasn't upset and I am not ignorant of what people really think. And no it isn't better to reach agreement, it's better to consider your opinion and discuss it reasonably without calling people fuckwits and brainless. Same way it's better to use positive ratings and explain disagreements. If you wanna continue this then PM please - it's not for here.

 

[luptic]

what the story with him, came back as a sub before the chelsea game, now not even on the bench today....? Is stories true? we aint doing anything with just defoe this season.

 

[tototoner]

Thought he had a back injury

 

[Pete Spur]

we're doing 4th right now with just Defoe upfront

 

[kishman]

Thought he had a back injury

I thought he was passed fit. But clearly not.

 

[mil1lion]

He injured his smile.

 

[dontcallme]

I agree with your last sentence.

I think what he did at Chelsea is irrelevant to the argument being made. You should simply put out the team most likely to see us win the greatest number, and lose the fewest number of matches over a season. There are no circumstances in which you should put out a team for psychological reasons but which will harm our chances of doing the aforementioned. If you think Lloris is beig allowed to settle in and AVB's applying googd man-management to him, and the same to Adebayor (who by the way represents the continuation from last year, not Defoe) then fair enough. I don't.

I don't see why it is irrelevant. He took over Chelsea and had to do a major overhaul to get them playing he wanted to. Too many changes too quickly didn't produce great results and he got fired. If he'd made the changes slightly more slowly then he might have been more successful. Nothing wrong with not wanting to make the same mistakes again.

The thing is we need to use out squad. Having Ade as number one and Defoe as backup isn't a great formula. There's nothing wrong with playing Defoe in the short-term if he is scoring goals. Kaboul and BAE should be back soon and with Lloris and Ade to come in we could be looking at going into the Christmas period with a fully-fit 1st choice team. And that's off the back off the current team getting just as good results in the same games as last season.

 

[chinaman]

Think Defoe was looking a little off pace today, and hence rushing his shots and going off-side again to try to gain that extra step.

 

[jushin3]

Think Defoe was looking a little off pace today, and hence rushing his shots and going off-side again to try to gain that extra step.

He's been playing too much. Would rest him mid-week, but not sure who else can start.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

The only thing Ade has injured is his Pride. AVB has not managed the situation well and needs to sort it out asap

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Think Defoe was looking a little off pace today, and hence rushing his shots and going off-side again to try to gain that extra step.

Or back to normal.

I'm desperate to see Ade get a run. Lets see what Dempsey and Siggy are really made of when there's someone who'll actually use them.

 

[whitestreak]

Ade needs to start playing now... get him in for Norwich and give him a run against Wigan,Man C , and the 4rse for starters..
The same with Lloris. We need to start distributing the ball with some intelligence. We need a player to hold the ball up, and take the pressure off the defence.
AVB ,who I like, has to sort this out pronto, when fit there are certain players that need to start, given our existing squad.
At very minmum we need to persevere with our core. i think that Lloris, Caulker, Vertonghen, Sandro, Dembele, Bale, Lennon, Ade, if fit have to start. Obviously when Kaboul is back he is a contender on that list too!
Whilst we need a certain amount of rotation, Lloris does not need it! (look at Brads record!) Ade needs games.

(IMHO Defoe,Dempsey, Siggy, Should be fighting it out for the second striker / ACM position unless you play Parker or Hudd in a three with Sandro using Dembele as attacking CM
BAE ,Walker, and Nauhgton, can compete for the ful back role and rotate accordingly!
Dawson and Gallas are going to be back up by the end of this season..)

 

[Misfit]

Whitestreak, when Parker returns I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a middle 3 of Parker, Sandro and Dembele. Very short on creativity but a powerful and robust unit and Dembele can cause havoc with Parker and Sandro covering behind him.

Ultimately, we'll not see AVB's real team this season. He just doesn't have the players for it in midfield.

Also, whatever else, Lloris starts next game or I think I'll start going grey.

 

[Super Tottenham]

Whitestreak, when Parker returns I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a middle 3 of Parker, Sandro and Dembele. Very short on creativity but a powerful and robust unit and Dembele can cause havoc with Parker and Sandro covering behind him.

Ultimately, we'll not see AVB's real team this season. He just doesn't have the players for it in midfield.

Also, whatever else, Lloris starts next game or I think I'll start going grey.

Cudicini will get the next game in the league cup.

 

[Misfit]

Of course, forgot about that the cup game. Well, the next league game anyway or I think this situation explodes.

It's almost November now. I honestly never thought we'd buy a a straight-out-the-box world class keeper. Now that we have pulled off the impossible, we don't play him. It's so Tottenham.

 

[SteveH]

Ade is starting to worry me.........was he injured yesterday?

 

[brasil_spur]

Think Defoe was looking a little off pace today, and hence rushing his shots and going off-side again to try to gain that extra step.

Defoe looked like he was hung over today, i don't think i've ever seen him shoot that badly that many times in one game.