AVB Stay or go *now with added poll for your pleasure*

[xtrac]

THAT's your 'evidence'??? A second hand observation of a football match???

And there could be no other factor, no? Thank God none of our players were involved in internationals around the world, because that could really fuck up your 'theory'.... WAIT A MINUTE!

No, but let's be fair, I mean it's not as if they've not played any League matches for two weeks or anything, because that could really affect one's performa- ... oops, my bad.

At least there wasn't a goal right at the off which will affect any player who experiences it... I really need to check my facts before I start typing, shouldn't I? Oh but wait, I'm not saying that AVB has lost the dressing room, am I? Who was that I wonder...?

this is a wind up yeah??

Oh wait a minute we were the only side in the EPL to have players on international duty! we were the only side to have 2 weeks off from playing any EPL games! oh yeah the goal in the first 30 seconds, that was a killer we should of just walked off the pitch and given up!! oh wait, we more or less did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Spurs_Bear]

There are too many gloating for my liking

AVB out is likely to be most supported by those who supported Arry Redcrapp.

Biggest problem for me is AVB insistence in playing the high line Citeh sucked us in and exposed the the back four. It was the same against Wet Spam with no protection

How can you play Dawson and Kaboul together in a game like this. He has to be strong but adjust his thinking based on what sees on the pitch. By the way where was Capoue today

The test is AVB being flexible enough

I think you're right about the gloating aspect. I'm not going to write anything about the game for at least 24 hours because it's too raw at the moment.

Just a quick one though, what name have you made up for AVB if you're playing the 'Redcrapp' card?

 

[JerryGarcia]

Champions League is a reward for having a good season but too many people are preoccupied with it, thinking it's the be all and end all. Just for once can't we give the team and manager a chance without putting on this extra pressure? It happens every few years and sets us back every time.

I'm not making excuses for the results and lack of goals but something needs to change and even if AVB goes, this self fulfilling prophecy will continue and it will be the same people calling for the next managers head a few years down the line. Where does it end?

I think AVB needs to rethink his entire philosophy and how it works in the Premier League, but if it was left up to me I'd like to at least give him the chance to turn it around and that means giving him till at least the end of the season.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Oh well is this is what it's come to?

If we sack him I may give up on spurs.

I've seen too many mangers come and go and we simply can not do this again.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side

 

[riggi]

We would be idiots to sack AVB. What's the saying? Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

For the last 20 years we've been sacking managers as soon as they hit a slump - usually during their second season. We've never achieved anything doing that. How about we just stick with a manager and back him to turn it around. We could sack him and appoint a manager who gets yet another honeymoon period but after 18 months then what? The same thing happens again.

We spent £100 million this summer - let's wait until the end of the season to see the result. Who knows? Maybe we'll still finish in the top 4 or perhaps win a trophy but fall short. Either is a possibility and either would be an improvement on last season. Let's GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE!

What about 7th and no cups?

 

[CheeseGromit]

I think you're right about the gloating aspect. I'm not going to write anything about the game for at least 24 hours because it's too raw at the moment.

Just a quick one though, what name have you made up for AVB if you're playing the 'Redcrapp' card?

All Very Boring (at the moment)

 

[mattdefoe]

we created stacks of chances v cardiff and newcaslte and even in the arsenal away we had openings. We just have not been clinical.

We need that beast, we should of bullied villa and got benteke. we used to get our players bullied away from us, steven carr, carrick, berba, modric we should of done the same and got a player who others fear.

 

[GutBucket]

I was against signing him at first but he convinced me after couple of games. He made some mistakes like playing Gallas instead of Dawson and conceding late goals, but generally did OK. I was very convinced after that win in Old Trafford. And him selling VdV oppened space for Bale and 100m from his sale. We looked predictable and terrible without Bale and lost some games we shouldn't have like Wigan and Fulham games and lost that CL spot. But we didn't have much creativity and much depth and some solid striker. And Sandro injury really sucked.

Being Valencia fan, I know what can Soldado do. He can't create anything for himself, but he can score goals. If he doesn't fit you system then change your system if he is your best striker. I watched lot of Roma games when Zeman was in charge and Lamela was very good under him. It can't be coincidence that strikers just stop producing the same way like before under AVB. Torres, Adebayor, Soldado. Defoe is the only one that is doing the same way as before.

Brendan Rogers is also very predictable but at least he knows what to do in final third. AVB doesn't. He didn't know it in Chelsea, last season here and this season. Last season it was "give the ball to Bale", earlier this season it was "give the ball to Townsend" (not the greatest idea in the world probably) and today "ehh...keep possession and...pass and stuff". Even in Porto it was "give the ball to Hulk or Falcao". Luckily for him they were both insanely good. But that Porto team was very fun to watch, even if they were predictable.

Compare his tactics to Simeone or Klopp and how their teams play. Players move and run a lot, switch positions, roam from positions, confuse opponents, and try to attack all the time. Through balls, dribbles, all kinds of crosses from almost all players, not just wingers or wing backs. Like Klopp said it looks like heavy metal, very attacking, aggressive, smoldering, and finally entertaining. And let's not forget that it's efficient. When you play attacking football if you concede one goal game isn't over, you are set to score and you probably will. When you are set to defend once you concede a goal you can hope for a draw at best in most cases. Even Martinez wasn't afraid to switch to 3-4-3 or some crazy tactics when he was losing. And it paid of couple of times, like against us last season. I don't think that AVB understands what "audere est facere" means. Of course you can't just go full attack like Zeman, but you also can't just defend and hope to win with 1-0 or if lucky 2-0 result.

Other than his tactics, it's his team selection. In Chelsea he played Meirelles and Bosingwa instead of Cole and Lampard. He didn't care about Drogba who was key player for them in winning that CL and screwing us. Some weird substitutions in every other game. I liked when he played Caulker, Dawson and Vertonghen last season against Stoke to help us in defending set pieces. But I don't see any tactical switches anymore. At least good ones.

Oh and set pieces. We are still shit at both attacking and defending them, and we have some good players. I think he is worst coach in the league when it comes to set pieces.

No plan B. He always plays the same way and his system could honestly work with Falcao and somebody like Bale or Hulk (from few years ago) in the same team but not as much in Porto because this is a better league and teams will know how to adjust better.

In short, good sides: Young, good scout (he didn't want Sahin when everyone though he was crazy), it was his idea to bring DOF, managed to win record points in a season for us. Lot of upside.
Bad sides: Bad tactics, boring football, predictable, no plan B, relies on star player/s, looks for weird excuses instead of focusing on the right things,motherfucking set pieces, bad team selection. Even his plan A doesn't work in final third of the pitch.

If we sack him soon we probably won't be able to bring some big name instantly which sucks, but Baldini and Levy should be scouting for other options.

I don't hate AVB and managers often need more time. But at least give us some signs of improvement. We look worse every time we play. And I don't believe it's a coincidence that Soldado, Lamela, Holtby, Paulinho, Ericksen play worse for us than they've played for their previous teams and/or NT. And it can't be just time because lot of clubs bought lot of new players that are performing the same way if not better.

And big clubs will come asking for guys like Vertonghen this summer, how can you convince him to stay? "You'll get a challenge of playing at a LB position even more if you stay for us, plus CL is so overrated". We have to make a serious challenge for a CL and we might lose out on europa league.

I don't think he can bring best out of our players and get us into CL and that's why I think we should look somewhere else. Team doesn't respond to him anymore. Similar to that Barca team and Riijkard. And Riijkard won them couple of league titles and a CL trophy and it was still a right choice to sack him after some boring and bad performances.

 

[eViL]

I would not want him to become our manager again but we were so much better under him

You must have been watching a different Tottenham team to me.

We were always useless in the final 3rd of every season due to lack of squad rotation.

 

[Spurger King]

Oh well is this is what it's come to?

If we sack him I may give up on spurs.

I've seen too many mangers come and go and we simply can not do this again.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side

Not that I think he should be sacked just yet, but out of interest, how many of our previous managers do you think would have led us to success had they been kept on for five seasons?

Genuine question. Do you think Graham, Hoddle, Gross, Jol, or Ramos would have turned things around if given more time?

 

[JerryGarcia]

Oh well is this is what it's come to?

If we sack him I may give up on spurs.

I've seen too many mangers come and go and we simply can not do this again.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side

Yep and even worse are the suggestions of Klopp, Laudrup and Pochetinho (sp). Klopp is out of most clubs reach and the others could easily have the same problems breaking down teams that AVB has when we face teams with ten defenders.

 

[sim0n]

It simply makes no logical sense to get rid of him! Who is available and ready to go RIGHT NOW to take his place? Someone tell me.

... Marco Van Basten for one... managers do not have to be unemployed to be available, to be sure...

 

[felmani26]

We desperately need to see how this team reacts in next weeks fixture against Man Utd as that will be the real indicator of what the team make of Andre's stewardship.

For what it's worth, I'm prepared to give Andre longer as I don't believe it's as bad as it appears but the players must stand and be counted - otherwise they can fuck off in January, whoever they are!

 

[KingKay]

Oh well is this is what it's come to?

If we sack him I may give up on spurs.

I've seen too many mangers come and go and we simply can not do this again.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side

Couldn't agree more, been thinking the same myself. I can't site back anymore and watch us make the same mistakes time and time again. The frustration i feel towards our own fans, who are so eager to take us back to square one, just isn't worth it anymore.

 

[beats1]

I think you're right about the gloating aspect. I'm not going to write anything about the game for at least 24 hours because it's too raw at the moment.

Just a quick one though, what name have you made up for AVB if you're playing the 'Redcrapp' card?

I hate when people do this, like the only other manager out there is Redknapp and how he plays all out attack.

I have heard so many times that all harry use to do was play Gung ho

 

[THFC 1882]

A win against United next sunday, and we are fine again

 

[Grapo2001]

Anyone got that sinking feeling, by from the defeat, but the fact AVB won't be sacked.

 

[THFC 1882]

Tottenham Hotspur ‏@SpursOfficial6 m
Andre to the fans: "The only thing I can say is sorry. It’s a very poor result, not to our level." #THFC

 

[Lufti]

Champions League is a reward for having a good season but too many people are preoccupied with it, thinking it's the be all and end all. Just for once can't we give the team and manager a chance without putting on this extra pressure? It happens every few years and sets us back every time.

I'm not making excuses for the results and lack of goals but something needs to change and even if AVB goes, this self fulfilling prophecy will continue and it will be the same people calling for the next managers head a few years down the line. Where does it end?

I think AVB needs to rethink his entire philosophy and how it works in the Premier League, but if it was left up to me I'd like to at least give him the chance to turn it around and that means giving him till at least the end of the season.

I honestly don't think it will work for him to be honest, not in the premiership. He has a very continental style and the premiership is like no other league. I haven't seen anything in his whole time of management to suggest he could ever take us to the next level. And don't anyone talk about our defence, we should be keeping clean sheets against Norwich, Crystal Palace and Europa league sides anyway..

 

[Mr Pink]

Finishing in the top 4 isn't even my hope anymore for this season. Its simply not possible with how few goals we are scoring, anybody thinking we've got a chance playing the way we have been are highly delusional.

My hope is that we see a few decent moves and some goals irrespective of were we finish. That shouldn't be too much to hope for given the quality we possess.

I don't think that's unfair or unrealistic.