Awful season

[talkshowhost86]

Some of you lack ambition!

As for the great Champions league nights you talk of. Well we are not going to be having them next season, and probably the season after as next year we will have a resurgent Liverpool competing with us and probably an improving villa aswell. We should of nailed it this season and we didnt. We failed. Next season will be alot harder.

And some of you (by which I mean you) should stop acting like spoilt children.

Jay The Yid: I want some chocolate
Mother Spurs: Here is some chocolate
Jay The Yid: Yay! I want some more chocolate
Mother Spurs: Okay well here' some European chocolate
Jay The Yid: Yay! I want bigger chocolate
Mother Spurs: You can't have bigger chocolate
Jay The Yid: Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! But I want it now!!!!!!!!
Mother Spurs: Now calm down. Five years ago you would have been eating gravel
Jay The Yid: I don't care! Want chocolate now! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And scene.

 

[Ribble]

Agree with mike_l there, expectations from fans should be formed in regards to the group of players we have, rather than ones we've had in the past. Expecting performances that are level with the quality of players we possess is hardly asking much is it?

 

[mattstev2000]

It's not been an awful season, that's hyperbole. But those who say it's been a season with a lot of highs that's tailed off at the end are also overstating.

We've been average all season, played generally worse football than last year, had some good results against some better than average European teams and we were propped up by Bale and VDV early on.

It's been a season of underachievement that was masked by a good cup run (although I still think that was a bit of a smokescreen because as soon as we encountered a top quality team we were soundly beaten).

I also entirely agree with people who say that this season should be judged in the context of the players we have now. I really don't care that we used to have Helder Postiga and Paulo Tremazziani (sp?) playing for us, with the players we've got we should have done a hell of a lot better than we did especially against the teams at the bottom end of the league.

 

[Tottenham_OZpur]

Let me get this right Arsenal got to the last 16 of the CL, last 8 of the FA cup, runners up in the League cup, are gonna finish probably 3rd in the PL, hence in a CL spot and above us AGAIN, yet their manager gets crucified by the media and their fans are devastated with their season. Then there is us who got thrashed at home by Arsenal in the first round of the League cup, thrashed in the fourth round of the FA cup by Fulham, gonna finish probably 6th in the PL hence miss out on Europe, reached the last 8 of the CL, on a run of 1 win in 12 yet our manager tells us we have had a great season and the media lap it up, and worse still quite a few of our fans agree that we have had a great season..... I just don't get it. Is that the height of our ambition? It's clear to see which of the 2 clubs has a big club attitude and which one does not!

Well said.

 

[sparx100]

This season has been amazing for Tottenham fans who have for the first time seen the club compete in the main European competition. The team exceeded my personal expectations and I have enjoyed every minute of it.

The league has been a story of two halves. The first half up to Christmas, we played sublime football where we had Bale and VDV smashing the league up - it looked as if we would be back in the Champions League.

Then 2011 came along and we have looked a shadow of ourselves. Bales injuries start, VDV goes out of form and the strikers lack of goals/confidence really show. Realise that we are displaying relegation form!

Harry did drop a bollock by not signing the striker we definitely needed in January -whether that would have changed things I don't know, but look at how resurgent Liverpool are with Suarez.....

So on form at the moment, it looks like we are going to finish 6th. Am I disappointing in 6th? Not really, but last season set expectations for a team that I look at perhaps with rose tinted glasses and think that they should (on talent) finish higher. However when I think back to the 90's and how mediocre we were, I would take the 4ths, 5ths and 6ths that we are now getting regularly.

Lets get realistic. We are a good team. I don't think we will sell anyone of importance and hopefully Harry will pick up the goalkeeper, centre back and 2 strikers we need over the summer. If we do this, we will be challenging again.

 

[Jay The Yid]

11 points down on last season
1 win in 12
humiliated in both domestic cups

Yet some of you say this has been a great season?! I just dont understand our supporters sometimes. Its pretty obvious to me that we have gone BACKWARDS!

10/11 is the season of missed opportunities

 

[razza]

One thing I am getting very annoyed at is harry trying to blame man citys money on us missing on CL this year. This is pathetic.
Man City are not a good side, certainly not top 4 in a normal season, a couple of good players but a rubbish manager and a team that can't play well. We had every chance possible to hit 4th or even top 3 but blew it. Mainly based upon 3 poor strikers - I have to ask what our striking coaches and scouts have been this year?

We did have some magical games this year up to Christmas where we were one of hte best teams in Europe, lead by bale, Modric and VDV. Since then injuries and the lack of any other player with the exception of Sandro being able to step up to take on teams.
I don't want Harry to go yet, I want to see what he will do in the summer, but I hope what he is saying in private is a lot more convincing then his current moans about city and the money. You don't hear wenger going on abouts citys money and neither should harry.

 

[Azrael]

First year I remember is 1980

In that case, do you think that this season is awful compared to our past relegation fights?

 

[Azrael]

Nowhere did I say anything of the sort, I'm saying that just because we were shit in the 90's doesn't mean we don't have the right to expect better of our players now.

There seems to be a mindset amongst some posters that anyone who is not overjoyed with the fact that we played CL this season can't have been a fan for very long. That's simply not true, why on Earth should our league finishes over the last decade, when in many cases a Carling Cup run and sniff of Uefa Cup would have had us all pitching tents, lead to lower expectations of players like Gomes, Bale, Lennon, Modric, VDV etc?

I wouldn't expect us to finish 4th or higher, but I think it's fair to expect us to pick up at least one win from home games against Wigan, Blackpool, West Ham, West Brom or Sunderland.

I've bolded your last paragraph because I'm wondering if what you mean to say is that the last three months have been awful?

Like I said above, there is a difference between being dissapointed at how the season has ended and declaring the whole think to be "awful". Which is it for you?

 

[Batspur]

In that case, do you think that this season is awful compared to our past relegation fights?

Whats that got to do with the price of fish? If you want to play the compare game then look at the post above yours and compare last season.

Its not relevant and I can only remember 1 relegation threat in my lifetime and that was over when we I watched us smash Wimbledon.

A fun soujourn into Europe does not make a good season. We have underachieved and I'm not proud of it. Red has excuses for everything but most fans I know see past his bullshit. We are not poor little Tottenham, we have been in the top 4 spenders since the prem began and for what? 2 cc cups. It doesnt make you a better Spurs fan for not criticising the team.

Birmingham and Stoke have had better season than us and fair play to them but I suspect some people on here would disagree with even that.

 

[mike_l]

I've bolded your last paragraph because I'm wondering if what you mean to say is that the last three months have been awful?

Like I said above, there is a difference between being dissapointed at how the season has ended and declaring the whole think to be "awful". Which is it for you?

Those games I mentioned are actually over the course of the season though, Wigan home was the start of the season, Sunderland home was around Christmas I believe. The poor results like that have been spread out and can't just be blamed on a poor run of form as we tailed off at the end.

OK a good portion of the results have come in the last few weeks but it seems to me they are a symptom of a larger problem than just something that has begun in recent months.

Disappointing results have occurred all season long IMO and are what makes it a disappointing season as a whole nrather than just a disappointing end. I would of course stop short of calling it awful, but our league form as a whole has been underwhelming, and I'm including games won where I feel we should have been looking to get bigger wins on top of games not won which should have been bankers.

I'm aware that football isn't quite so simple as the best team always wins easily, but more often than not they do so with some degree of comfort, with the odd freak result over a season. This season not beating inferior teams has been a trend for us which has become laughable.

 

[Azrael]

Whats that got to do with the price of fish? If you want to play the compare game then look at the post above yours and compare last season.

Its not relevant and I can only remember 1 relegation threat in my lifetime and that was over when we I watched us smash Wimbledon.

A fun soujourn into Europe does not make a good season. We have underachieved and I'm not proud of it. Red has excuses for everything but most fans I know see past his bullshit. We are not poor little Tottenham, we have been in the top 4 spenders since the prem began and for what? 2 cc cups. It doesnt make you a better Spurs fan for not criticising the team.

Birmingham and Stoke have had better season than us and fair play to them but I suspect some people on here would disagree with even that.

Wait, so you are saying that in 30 years of watching Spurs a bad season or a relegation fight is not relevant to the question of what makes a season awful?

Are you from another dimensional plain or something?

 

[mike_l]

Wait, so you are saying that in 30 years of watching Spurs a bad season or a relegation fight is not relevant to the question of what makes a season awful?

Are you from another dimensional plain or something?

That's so over the top it's untrue, you haven't once answered the question of why performances of different squads from 2, 5, 10 or 20 years ago should impact on fans' expectations of the current crop of players?

Why should they be immune from criticism foor their league performance based on our team from the George Graham era?

Is VDV really going into a game thinking, "well Ben Thatcher once played for Spurs so the fans have no right to expect too much from me." I seriouslly doubt it.

For he record I am definitely not saying it's been awful, I also remember some truely aweful sides since 1994, but I am disappointed with the side this year, I don't even think we overachieved in Europe. In the league though we have definitely underachieved though.

 

[T-51]

This is the best squad any manager has had at his disposal for nearly 20 years . Those teams consisted on players like Dozzell , Sinton , Doherty etc . This is a class squad that should be doing better .

Cos we played the div one donkeys years ago , we should just be happy to be in the PL .

Shit season , infact apart from the CL run , one of the worst for many a year .

 

[Mr Pink]

This is the best squad any manager has had at his disposal for nearly 20 years . Those teams consisted on players like Dozzell , Sinton , Doherty etc . This is a class squad that should be doing better .

Cos we played the div one donkeys years ago , we should just be happy to be in the PL .

Shit season , infact apart from the CL run , one of the worst for many a year .

I'm not best pleased with Harry and the situation at the moment, but that post is absurd.

 

[T-51]

And some of you (by which I mean you) should stop acting like spoilt children.

Jay The Yid: I want some chocolate
Mother Spurs: Here is some chocolate
Jay The Yid: Yay! I want some more chocolate
Mother Spurs: Okay well here' some European chocolate
Jay The Yid: Yay! I want bigger chocolate
Mother Spurs: You can't have bigger chocolate
Jay The Yid: Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! But I want it now!!!!!!!!
Mother Spurs: Now calm down. Five years ago you would have been eating gravel
Jay The Yid: I don't care! Want chocolate now! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And scene.

talkshowhost86: I want some chocolate
Mother Spurs: You have had enough you fat prick ! now fuck off back to your room

 

[Azrael]

That's so over the top it's untrue, you haven't once answered the question of why performances of different squads from 2, 5, 10 or 20 years ago should impact on fans' expectations of the current crop of players?

Why should they be immune from criticism foor their league performance based on our team from the George Graham era?

Is VDV really going into a game thinking, "well Ben Thatcher once played for Spurs so the fans have no right to expect too much from me." I seriouslly doubt it.

For he record I am definitely not saying it's been awful, I also remember some truely aweful sides since 1994, but I am disappointed with the side this year, I don't even think we overachieved in Europe. In the league though we have definitely underachieved though.

See, now you are saying I am over the top, but you start attributing things to me I have not said, like the team should be immune from criticisim. I am the same poster who was universally derided some months ago for being negative for daring to question Redknapp and players like Defoe.

But if there is one thing I can't say it's that this season has been "awful". batspur mentions the drubbing of Wimbledon above. I remember that game well, one of my favourite Spurs matches. But I also remember that season well. We only escaped relegation on the penultimate matchday of the season. When you compare that to a top six finish (bad results against lower sides or not) and a CL run where we topped the group and got to the last 8 (rather than "doing an Everton") how can the earlier season not be the one to be described as awful? Hell, even the Ramos/Redknapp season was worse than this one.

 

[mike_l]

I'm not best pleased with Harry and the situation at the moment, but that post is absurd.

The last line is, but the rest of it is pretty accurate.

 

[T-51]

I'm not best pleased with Harry and the situation at the moment, but that post is absurd.

I would debate it with you but your post doesn't detail why it's absurd . Thank's anyway pinky !

 

[mike_l]

See, now you are saying I am over the top, but you start attributing things to me I have not said, like the team should be immune from criticisim. I am the same poster who was universally derided some months ago for being negative for daring to question Redknapp and players like Defoe.

But if there is one thing I can't say it's that this season has been "awful". batspur mentions the drubbing of Wimbledon above. I remember that game well, one of my favourite Spurs matches. But I also remember that season well. We only escaped relegation on the penultimate matchday of the season. When you compare that to a top six finish (bad results against lower sides or not) and a CL run where we topped the group and got to the last 8 (rather than "doing an Everton") how can the earlier season not be the one to be described as awful? Hell, even the Ramos/Redknapp season was worse than this one.

The earlier one obviously was worse, but when summising the current season you aren't going to qualify any adjectives used by saying, it was awful but not quite as awful as that season back in 1997, however definitely more awful than season 1991.

In regards to the Ramos/Redknapp year of 2 from 8, we are actually only 4 points better off than what we finished that season and 2 league positions. League wise this season hasn't been much better for us than that was.