Bale is a winger, no he is a full back etc. blah blah blah

[tommyt]

I actually think his best position is in the hole behind 2 strikers.....

 

[Raxscallion]

I actually think his best position is in the hole behind 2 strikers.....

That's just rubbish. Bale's a traditional Centre-Forward - that's a FACT, and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.

 

[tommyt]

A FACT, A FACT!!! You Sir, are a fool, not I......

 

[DJS]

Bale's best position is at scrum half, anyone who thinks otherwise is quite clearly an idiot...

 

[Raxscallion]

Bale's best position is at scrum half, anyone who thinks otherwise is quite clearly an idiot...

:stupid:

He may have played at Scrum-half, but that doesn't make him a scrum-half!

His natural position is first violin, as is quite obvious to anyone with even half a brain.

 

[CosmicHotspur]

His position is clearly as President of the Planet of the Apes.

That aside, he is developing a similar role to the one that Cyril Knowles held, that of a defender with great passing skills and keen positional sense.

However, he is undoubtedly also extremely effective playing on the wing because he has incredible speed, leaves most opposing defenders behind and can cross the ball with great precision into goal-scoring positions for our forwards when he doesn't decide to take a shot himself, as Cyril Knowles sometimes also did, very effectively.

 

[tommyt]

Gareth Bale does not actually exist - he is a fragment of our collective imaginations.

We are all experiencing the same dream, and anyone who doubts this is delusional.

Cyril Knowles? Was he not a piano player?

 

[StartingPrice]

Why does it matter so much you have to persist with these Tolstoyesque responses. Who cares? You've made your point if people don't get it now after you have made yours exhaustively they never will and will probably insist on sticking to theirs out of obstinacy.

I can understand why you should ask that, and I have asked it myself.
But I still don't see why you are laying all of the onus on me, rather than on people who were not only wrong, but also abusive to anyone who didn't agree with them:shrug:
And then, there was the whole, 'you are trying to deny people their opinions', thing, which I never once said.
And then there was the whole, 'it's my fault for being boring', thing, ignoring the people who kept on flaring it up again.
And then, there was the definitive statement, at the start of this post, where I wanted to make sure there was no possibility of ambuguity - and the responses have ranged to the falmiliar (of which your several posts have been one - it is somehow my 'fault' that I don't like peope notonly being wrong, but also abusive, and then claiming I had said things I hadn't said, while admitting they had actually read my posts:roll, to attempts to initiate an academic argument, to the just plain silly.
All of this is my 'fault' - obviously.
But, yeah, there are some people who are just on ignore, now...which is one solution, I suppose.
It's a place for debate, isn't it?
Stating the obvious, which shouldn't need to be stated really, but did, and then putting anyone on 'ignore' who didn't immediately 'get -it' might have been easier for me, and posters like you who have been 'forced to read my posts', and then blame me for this ongoing issue (like, my posts are long, so it's my fault:shrug. It wouldn't exactly have raised the quality of debating on the site, would it?

You want to make posts and ask questions that, by definition, you don't want me to answer? That just doesn't make any sense. does it!

 

[CosmicHotspur]

Some of you are beginning to look distinctly baleful.

 

[StartingPrice]

Some of you are beginning to look distinctly baleful.

In a flurry of cheap shots, that is the cheapest shot of all, CosmicEek

 

[Coyboy]

I can't read all that. But we all know your view on the matter, I just think you have laboured it to death where people are just going to be contrary for the sake of it. I think people talk bollocks about much more important pervasive issues than one player's position.

But either way, more paragraphs and fewer cartoons?

 

[StartingPrice]

1) I can't read all that. But 2) we all know your view on the matter, 3) I just think you have laboured it to death 4) where people are just going to be contrary for the sake of it. 5) I think people talk bollocks about much more important pervasive issues than one player's position.

But either way, more paragraphs and fewer cartoons?

1) I'm sure you can you that when people accuse you of denying their right to an opinion, and follow it with this statement, it is bloody insulting, annoying, and kinda abusive;
2) But this whole thread has continued because most STILL don't (see 1, above);
3) Me? No-one else. I asked the MODS to make a sticky, weeks ago when I saw it's ugly head beginning to emerge, because I didn't want any labour. What about posters who popped up with 'see Blae IS a winger' after he played there when the post they were following wasn't even about Bale. And when I answered (not initiated) it, someone else would pop up and accuse me of 'labouring' the point (see any similarity). What about them?;
4) Yeah, I realise that - see 3 above;
5) Is that a critique of the Parliamentary system :grin:

But really, how many posts have YOU made in this thread alone?

 

[Coyboy]

Only ones trying to temper your over-reaction. I would say that perhaps when people say Bale is a winger they mean Bale plays better as winger than a fullback.

Either way, can you not just live and let them live being wrong on this matter.

 

[StartingPrice]

Only ones trying to temper your over-reaction. I would say that perhaps when people say Bale is a winger they mean Bale plays better as winger than a fullback.

Either way, can you not just live and let them live being wrong on this matter.

My overreacation?
I stated that explicitly, weeks ago - they didn't pay any attention...obviously, neither have you.
I tried. They popped up after myself and others with smug 'See Bale IS a winger', and 'Anyone who can't see Bale is a winger is an idiot' posts, just because he played there during an injury crisis.

You would know all of this if you had read just one of my posts, rather than feeling the need to join the argument WITHOUT actually reading anything I said.

Go on, I dare you...read my first post on this thread, onerous though that may be; and then see if I haven't already said all of this.

 

[Raxscallion]

FFS SP, just let it go! :-D

 

[StartingPrice]

FFS SP, just let it go! :-D

Okay.

On the basis that, as seen as the precedent has been set by others, I can roam around commenting on posts I haven't actually read, and insulting people for actually beingright, and reopening old issues, and criticising people for typing posts that are too long or short (or even just right), and accusing them of saying things they haven't said and not saying things they have said (even when this is demonstrated to be wrong):shrug:

Is that fair enough?

 

[Raxscallion]

Okay.

On the basis that, as seen as the precedent has been set by others, I can roam around commenting on posts I haven't actually read, and insulting people for actually beingright, and reopening old issues, and criticising people for typing posts that are too long or short (or even just right), and accusing them of saying things they haven't said and not saying things they have said (even when this is demonstrated to be wrong):shrug:

Is that fair enough?

You can do whatever you like mate, but if you carry on like this you're going to give yourself an ulcer!

 

[StartingPrice]

You can do whatever you like mate, but if you carry on like this you're going to give yourself an ulcer!

"give"? "gave"? - I suspect the latter

 

[Paq]

:shrug:
Are you sure you have read every post and followed it elsewhere, because you really seem to have just reached stated exactly what I stated while puroprting to offer something new. And you don't seem to understand why there is a thread.
Some posters were stating that 'Bale IS a winger' and even 'Anyone who doesn't nkow that Bale IS a winger is an idiot'.
Myself and some others simply stated that these posters may have an opinion that Bale should be a winger but that is not the same as saying he IS a winger. The fact is his primary classification is as a full-back. That is what I said and that is the conclusion you reach.
It was explained that to say Bale is a winger is a fact (an erroneous one), whereas to say you would prefer Bale to be converted into a winger is a statement of opinnion and therefore neither correct nor incorrect (some folk even want him to be converted into a central midfielder).
Despite this, posts have popped up all over the shop stating he IS a winger, and after recent games 'see he IS a winger'. 'told you he's a winger', etc. And whenever I corrected this, posters, unconnected to the original argument started popping up criticising me for correcting this inaccurate use of language (and getting quite insulting).
I wanted it made into a sticky ages ago. Someone else made it into a thread - I didn't, the post of mine was taken from elsewhere.
So, was I wrong to want some clarity?
Was I wrong to dislike the fact that some posters (who were actually factually incorrect in the first place) insulting other posters?
Was I wrong to not want the same argument to crop up on one thread after another?
There was never movement on my part from it being a fact that Bale is a full-back into being about his primary clasification being as afull-back. All I have sought IS an acknowledgement that his primary classification is as a full-back - thus providing the claritry I sought.
It might not seem like an indepth academic argument - I never claimed we were dealing with the General Theory of Relativity or any such thing. The fact is, and you would know this if you truly had read the posts, I was accused of trying to deny people their right of opinion (by insisting that Bale's primary designation is as a full-back). This is why I explained that it was about the use of language, and therefore an 'academic' argument (i.e. not an arguement about football, per se, and therefore something where every opinion is valid). I think that should be easy for you to see. That is why I took so much time and effort to explain the difference between fact and opinion. That is why I explained that:
Bale IS a winger = statement of fact.
I would prefer Bale to be converted into a winger = statement of opinon.
I did it simply at first - why would I do that if I were on an ego trip. I certainly didn't want it to drag on or to have to post at such lengths - I could find better things to 'have an ego trip' on. After stating in quite simple terms that Bale is a full-back based on the designation given by himself, his manager and his club (i.e., implicity, based on his primary classification), it was argued against, it was moved to other threads, which I specifically didn't want, I was accused on trying to deny othere peoples opinions and insulted for making the same posts over and over again, by people who didn't seem to mind the posts I was responding to, (which, obviously, made the same posts over and over again, as well), ironically by folk who specically stated they hadn't actually read my posts.
Personally, I find that a bit crappy.
And, to reiterate, some posters who stated an opinion as though it were a fact (and you agree they were wrong in this:shrug, were actually calling anyone who said Bale was a full-back (either in the sense of primary classification, or as a statement of opinion - they insultees didn't specify), idiots.
So, why is you primary concern to uncover an imagined ego trip, when there was none there, and to state that the level of the academic arguement isn't particularly high, when no-one said it was?
No-one was trying to start a real academic debate, some just wanted it clarified that Bale's primary position is as full-back, so that other posters would start using language more appropriate to their opinnion, rather than claiming fact when none insisted, and stop them from insulting others posters.
Why do you object to that?
And now, I have had to type another lenthy post, when all I wanted tyo do was state a simple clarification of the difference between fact and opinion, for reasons given above, have that accepted (you usseful accept it is just right), and everyone move on!

You havent understood my Post/

'It's a fact that Bale is a full back (because his primary classification is full back) is a different argument to 'Bale's primary classification is full back'.

I dont think people have been arguing against the second statement. Nobody has said that Bale's primary classification is as a Winger, so I'm not sure where your claim to be educating people on fact vs opinion comes from.

The first statement (which was the original position) can be argued against. One can argue that Bale is a winger notwithstanding the fact that his primary classification is full back. You would need to be quite linear in your thinking not to see that. Again, the name on my birth certificate is Peter; everybody calls me Paul. What's my name?

 

[Raxscallion]

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