Bale is a winger, no he is a full back etc. blah blah blah

[chrissivad]

I dont have a problem if someone says Bale is a LW, because he is. he IS also a LB as well.

I haven't seen anyone in this thread (i haven't read it all so could be wrong) say that he isn't either a LB or a LW.

 

[StartingPrice]

I dont have a problem if someone says Bale is a LW, because he is. he IS also a LB as well.

I haven't seen anyone in this thread (i haven't read it all so could be wrong) say that he isn't either a LB or a LW.

Chris, I have specifically acknowledged your designation of him as a left-sided player, both in my first post of this thread and in other threads.
I can only assume you didn't look very hard:shrug:

 

[chrissivad]

Had a quick look and found 2 (quoted the wrong guy for the second...

I think Bale is a rubbish leftback tbh. He is miles and miles and fucking miles better on the wing. Thats it.

I don't think he's a defensive liability, but he's extremely impressive going forward (whether coming from deep or starting as a winger). For me the truth seems to simply be that no one really knows where his best position is at this stage...us, Redknapp, Bale...even the all-knowing Mark Lawrenson.

Also alot called him a LW and alot call him a LB but neither say that he isn't the other.

Our OS also calls him a winger

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It isn’t just the established players that have been busy. New striker Darren Bent took time to support Kick it Out’s Week of Action and met with local school children to discuss the problem of racism in football while Welsh winger Gareth Bale opened a brand-new sports facility in Enfield.

Gareth Bale is on the cover of April's edition of hotspur and features an exclusive and in-depth interview with our Welsh winger, plus the chance to win his signed boots.

Our OS also has Gio down as a striker for us, but has he ever played as a striker for us? I know he has come on as a winger, but cant remember him as a striker

 

[DJS]

It only bugs me when people say Bale is a left winger and anyone else who thinks otherwise is an idiot.

Or if people say he is crap at left back - he was playing superbly there before being pushed forward out of necessity and members of this very forum were concerned at the time about pushing him forward as he was so good at left back.

Then you get people with very short memories who magically forget this fact.

P.S. Bale is god.

P.P.S. And what a turnaround as people didn't want him in the team during his spell when we couldn't win when he was in the team! :lol:

 

[tommyt]

Is this some sort of predicator to mania SP?

If so, contact you GP, if not, its getting tiresome.

Surely, your life isn't so dull that you must insist upon keeping this up?

 

[chrissivad]

It only bugs me when people say Bale is a left winger and anyone else who thinks otherwise is an idiot.

Or if people say he is crap at left back - he was playing superbly there before being pushed forward out of necessity and members of this very forum were concerned at the time about pushing him forward as he was so good at left back.

agree, even though if they say "Bale is a left winger and anyone else who thinks otherwise is an idiot" its hard to disagree with them also. They haven't said that he isn't a LB have they :wink:

Its when they sat he isn't a LB or a LW that bugs me

 

[DJS]

Just seen Chris' post - how can Tony Dean possible justify his ludicrous statement?

Bale was having a bloody brilliant run at left back, which he came back into the team to cover in Assou-Ekotto's absence, and having been excellent there, then went further upfield where he continued his form.

People can say yes I believe he's more suited as a winger / better used on the wing, but he was not BETTER as a left winger.

He's bloody good at both, perhaps he just won't grab as much glory from left back if that's where he ends up.

 

[nailsy]

SP I know you're cool with people expressing an opinion. I'm just trying to get you to understand that even when people state something as a fact it still just them stating an opinion. Even if someone says 'this is how it is' it's still just them talking bollocks.

Well done for sticking up for yourself and others though. My one suggestion for improving this site would be an automatic ban for anyone calling anyone else a gooner.

 

[StartingPrice]

Had a quick look and found 2 (quoted the wrong guy for the second...






Also alot called him a LW and alot call him a LB but neither say that he isn't the other.

Our OS also calls him a winger

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Our OS also has Gio down as a striker for us, but has he ever played as a striker for us? I know he has come on as a winger, but cant remember him as a striker

A quick look:roll:

Is this some sort of predicator to mania SP?

If so, contact you GP, if not, its getting tiresome.

Surely, your life isn't so dull that you must insist upon keeping this up?

NO. It is something to do with the fact that some posters stated that 'Bale IS a winger', and the 'Anyone who can't see that Bale IS a winger is an idiot' (See post below), and when I explain that they are confusing fact and opinion I get crap (like your post).
Is this is a sign that in general life, as on here, you feel the need to open your mouth prior to actually understanding what's going on?
Are you 'having a go at me 'cos it looks like everyone else' - or is it just because I've typed a long post, and, for some reason, you don't 'like' that?

It only bugs me when people say Bale is a left winger and anyone else who thinks otherwise is an idiot.

Or if people say he is crap at left back - he was playing superbly there before being pushed forward out of necessity and members of this very forum were concerned at the time about pushing him forward as he was so good at left back.

Then you get people with very short memories who magically forget this fact.

P.S. Bale is god.

P.P.S. And what a turnaround as people didn't want him in the team during his spell when we couldn't win when he was in the team! :lol:

And that's it exactly.
I've said this dozens of times...and somehow I'm a liberty denying, egotistcial villain:shrug:

Nailsy, I know that, I do have some sensitivity to to other peoples foibles...but after this was explained to them, they not only carried on with it, but actually started being offensive.

 

[chrissivad]

A quick look:roll:

yes a quick look...

And that's it exactly.
I've said this dozens of times...and somehow I'm a liberty denying, egotistcial villain:shrug:

Bailsy, I know that, I do have some sensitivity to to other peoples foibles...but after this was explained to them, they not only carried on with it, but actually started being offensive.

Noone in this thread has said that though.
And i only remember 1 poster from the other thread that stated this.

 

[StartingPrice]

yes a quick look...

Chris, I'm sorry, I'm sure it is a bit much for you reading all of these posts...I didn't actually feel any desire to post them. I felt something needed to be said. There have been posters who have actually stated (blandy) that they haven't actually read my post(s) but...
So, I am a bit frustrated, okay...I'm sure you can understand that.
A prime example is that your post, above, said about the fact that no-one had said he is a left-winger AND a left-back, whereas if you actually read my first post (I know it's a bit long), you will see that I say, as I've told you above, that I have no problem with anyone following your example and saying he is a left-sided player, I state seeveral times, ere, and elsewhere, that he is a full-back who can also play on the wing.
But you don't actually seemto knwo what 'it' is all about. There are people who have persisted he IS winger, to the exclusion of being a full-back - because they want him to be converted into a winger; and then been insulting about anyone who wouldn't just accept that he IS a winger.
I tried to put that right, is that a bad thing to do?

Noone in this thread has said that though.
And i only remember 1 poster from the other thread that stated this.

On this page alone, two posters have mentioned opinion, and it has been mentioned numerous times, including numerous statements that I was trying to deny other posters their right to anopinion.
I know that the posters on here haven't said I am deny others a right to an opinion, but they still feel the need to mention it - like I don't understand that the folk who originally said 'Bale IS a winger' weren't just trying, poorly, to state an opinion. But it is explained to them several times that there is a difference between staing something as a fact and stating somethnig as an opinion, and they not only persist in stating that opinion as though it were a fact, but it also becomes 'Bale IS a winger anyone who can't see that is an idiot', and mutates into 'See, Bale IS a winger', like they have won an arguement, when Bale plays on the wing (due to an injury crisis). And I am then somehow 'wrong' to still try to exaplain to them. I tis not that they are wrong, using language wrongly, being insulting, etc., It is just that my posts are ,ong, and I am denying the right to an opinion, and I have a problem for wanting to correct them, and stop them insulting people.
And on and on and on - and that's my fault, as well, apparently.
And, yes, it has been said bluntly, several tims (by posters who actually stated that they hadn't read my posts, that I was attempting to deny them a right to an opinion...do you really insist that I go over different threadsa and find quotes, or will you just believe me?

 

[double0]

At the moment I believe Ben Assou-Ekotto is a better left back than Bale, defensively I'm more comfortable seeing that.

I believe Bale to be our best natural attacking left winger.

 

[StartingPrice]

At the moment I believe Ben Assou-Ekotto is a better left back than Bale, defensively I'm more comfortable seeing that.

I believe Bale to be our best natural attacking left winger.

Good for you.
I think BAE/Bale is our best bet for certain types of games.

I think people underestimate how much learning and skill goes into making a defender...and 'Arry has, again recently stated that is developing Bale, primarily, as a full-back.

I think that is probably the best option.

n.b. Everything I havesaid here is just my opinion.

 

[Stoof]

I think we should play him in defence and left midfield. AT THE SAME TIME. :grin:

 

[SpurSince57]

At the moment I believe Ben Assou-Ekotto is a better left back than Bale, defensively I'm more comfortable seeing that.

I believe Bale to be our best natural attacking left winger.

Probably he is, but Bale's defensive game has improved to the extent that there's not a great deal in it. The important point, surely, is that the improvement has come about far more quickly than many—myself included—believed possible.

A few of us can still remember the days when full-backs simply didn't cross the halfway line, and wingers weren't expected to make any defensive contribution whatsoever (Cliff Jones put a tackle in? Are you mad?). Nicholson's and Blanchflower's Spurs were one of the first, if not the first, English clubs to break this mould. In today's game, ultra-attacking full-backs like Bale and Alves now defend as much by going forward and pinning their opposite numbers back. We saw on Wednesday that Zabaleta couldn't risk coming forward.

Of course Bale can play LM/LW, and play there very effectively. No-one's disputing that. The only real debate is whether he's more effective foraying forward from deep (LB) or from further up the pitch (LM/LW).

 

[guy]

To keep this away from the knit picking...

Our left side of BAE & Bale is now so solid and dangerous I just dont see why anyone would want to change that? Harry changed it against Utd and look what happened, we were shite. As soon as he restored it we got the goal back.

 

[Coyboy]

And I have said SEVERAL times I have no issue with people stating their opinnions. What I have an issue with is people stating opinion as though it were fact, and then inuslting people who either point this out to them, or who state a contrary opinion.
i.e. 'Bale IS a winger'; 'Anyone who can't see that Bale IS a winger is an idiot'.
I explained this in great detail, it is my first post in the thread - perhaps you would understand that I never questiokned anyone's right to argue their opinion if you read that:shrug:



It has something to do with the fact that these people, even after being corrected, not only persisted, but began abusing those who didn't agree with them.
Is that an acceptable state of affairs, just because it is a football forum?
Would it be acceptable in real life?

Yes, it is crazy, hence my extremem frustration. I made a simple statement explaining the difference between statements of opinion and statements of fact, and I ahve been accused of denying people their right of opinnion.

Really, do you think I should have just dropped it and allowed posters (who were actually factually incorrect) to insult other posters who were either factually correct, or stating a contrary opinion?

If you don't want to read my posts, don't read them...but why why do you feel the need to put the onus onto me, I have to ask you that?

Why does it matter so much you have to persist with these Tolstoyesque responses. Who cares? You've made your point if people don't get it now after you have made yours exhaustively they never will and will probably insist on sticking to theirs out of obstinacy.

 

[Mornstar]

he IS a right sided centre back.
















I just said that to wind a few of you up.

 

[jamesc0le]

At the moment I believe Ben Assou-Ekotto is a better left back than Bale, defensively I'm more comfortable seeing that.

I believe Bale to be our best natural attacking left winger.

no. he does not like attacking. his vision is poor and thus opts for a long ball far too often when a quick look and simple pass would suffice, concedes shitloads of corners, concedes penalties..

i'd sooner have bale in defence, a better player all-round, cleverer, gets tighter.

is ekotto willing to improve? dangerously one footed in defence, reluctant to use his pace and skill to atttack. i think he plays within his maximum level, he should look to improve these weaknesses and be no more than a squad player until then

 

[Raxscallion]

He's been doing training sessions in goal recently. Redknapp was going to play him there if Gomes wasn't fit for the City game.